Dept of Ed going away

[BOP]

It's called "gentrification" - and it involves getting all of the poor out of there - gutting the housing or otherwise rebuilding the entire neighborhood with modern housing, fixing streets, sidewalks and so on - and moving richer people IN. Happens a lot in crappy neighborhoods otherwise in highly desirable locations, like along waterfronts or close to downtown.

FWIW - even though PG and MoCo have awful sections - they also have some of the most luxuriant areas you'll ever see. PG has horse farms and areas with huge estates - Montgomery county has places like Chevy Chase and Potomac, and while Rockville has its crappy sections, it's also home to Georgetown Prep - where the richest kids in the country go. My parents lived in Cloverly, and their friends in Olney - extremely nice areas. My sister lived in Wheaton - a shthole. Right next to Kensington - a rich area where surgeons and lawyers live.

I've been to large cities like Philly and Chicago - both of them have ritzy sections - and some of the worst.

Germantown in Philly is like that - starkly. Literally on one side of the street (Germantown Ave) it's all ritzy and beautiful, and on the other side, it's worse that Skid Row in Los Angeles, where I've been to as well.

My now late wife was driving, and as soon as we crossed that street, I thought I was in Beirut or something. I know I told her "and here we are, 2 crackers without any fire-power."

 

[BOP]

White flight - when all they had to do was stop voting for Democrats.

They got overwhelmed because they didn't care that the DC council didn't care and the Mayor didn't care and the cops were ordered not to care. They voted for them anyway. So that's what happens when you don't care about your city.

Baltimore wasn't always a filthy crime infested shithole. All these used-to-be-great American cities.....you can literally see how they've fallen with the rise of Democrat leadership. The timelines match almost exactly.

Now freaking Ron DeSantis is all, "Hey disenfranchised NYers - come to FL where it doesn't suck!" and I'm like . Don't invite those idiots here to ruin this state like they ruined the one they now want to leave.

I watched it happen in prime time, back in the mid-to-late '70s in California. The economy went to crap everywhere else, including New York and New Jersey. California, at the time, was considered "recession proof." Little did they know.

Well, the sh*tbags discovered that the public largess in California made for some good living without having to do anything like actual work, and they flocked to the once Golden State - and helped destroy it.

Remember all the stories about how badly the Okies were treated as they migrated from the lower Midwest to California, and how poorly they were treated ("Grapes of Wrath")? Turns out the old-timers weren't just prejudiced for no apparent reason.

Oh, and f*ck Steinbeck.

 

[SamSpade]

Germantown in Philly is like that - starkly. Literally on one side of the street (Germantown Ave) it's all ritzy and beautiful, and on the other side, it's worse that Skid Row in Los Angeles, where I've been to as well.

My now late wife was driving, and as soon as we crossed that street, I thought I was in Beirut or something. I know I told her "and here we are, 2 crackers without any fire-power."

But gentrification - by definition - is the eventual displacement of all of the poorer residents. And I have also seen this in downtown waterfront areas, where the area is either bulldozed completely - or the residents are bought or - urged - out - and huge improvements are made to preserve its "historic" appearance.

Back to the original premise - POORER areas tend to get POORER quality schools, and attract the poorer quality teachers. Poverty is a long game - Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian - you can't with a wave of your hand make a neighborhood more affluent. Crime is similarly challenging. I've seen regions go through different parties over years - they remain crappy areas.

You cannot with a wave of legislation change an area where people are accustomed to a certain way of living.
But you can BEGIN the change by finding a way to improve the schools.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Back to the original premise - POORER areas tend to get POORER quality schools, and attract the poorer quality teachers. Poverty is a long game - Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian - you can't with a wave of your hand make a neighborhood more affluent. Crime is similarly challenging. I've seen regions go through different parties over years - they remain crappy areas.

I agree that "poor areas" and their associated problems is not a political thing. It happens everywhere.

My question to you is, if you believe that it is the economic situation that is the driver, then why is it when 'poorer' area stand up good schools with good teachers and are supported... they always tend to fail? Personally, I think it has more to do with the mindset, the children, and most importantly.. the PARENTS that cause the situation.
Poor parenting and involvement lead to kids who don't care. Kids who don't care lead to frustrated teachers (no matter the salary). Frustrated teachers leads to poor education environment. Poor education leads to a cycle of poverty.

 

[SamSpade]

I agree that "poor areas" and their associated problems is not a political thing. It happens everywhere.

My question to you is, if you believe that it is the economic situation that is the driver, then why is it when 'poorer' area stand up good schools with good teachers and are supported... they always tend to fail? Personally, I think it has more to do with the mindset, the children, and most importantly.. the PARENTS that cause the situation.
Poor parenting and involvement lead to kids who don't care. Kids who don't care lead to frustrated teachers (no matter the salary). Frustrated teachers leads to poor education environment. Poor education leads to a cycle of poverty.

Oh you're unquestionably right - it's a host of things. It's also a victim culture that says, your poverty isn't under your control.
It's parents, who expect the system to babysit their kids.
It's single parent households with latchkey kids - who don't interact much with family, after school.
It's examples - like a hard-working mom but a deadbeat Dad.
It's friends - who exhibit every bad trait that is going to keep the poverty cycle going.
It's a lack of leaders and mentors - who believe in the kds - to get them to aspire to greater things.
It's a school culture that dumbs things down, so that that talented, skilled kids never achieve what they should be able to achieve.
It's a region where there just isn't enough skillsets - whether academic or trade - to uplift the area, with good jobs.

It goes on and on. Solving the problem of poverty is one that very few nations have been able to fix - and never for long.
Even Jesus said "you will always have the poor". All of our efforts for a "War on Poverty" have done, is perpetuate it, by fostering a culture that accepts it.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Oh you're unquestionably right - it's a host of things. It's also a victim culture that says, your poverty isn't under your control.
It's parents, who expect the system to babysit their kids.
It's single parent households with latchkey kids - who don't interact much with family, after school.
It's examples - like a hard-working mom but a deadbeat Dad.
It's friends - who exhibit every bad trait that is going to keep the poverty cycle going.
It's a lack of leaders and mentors - who believe in the kds - to get them to aspire to greater things.
It's a school culture that dumbs things down, so that that talented, skilled kids never achieve what they should be able to achieve.
It's a region where there just isn't enough skillsets - whether academic or trade - to uplift the area, with good jobs.

It goes on and on. Solving the problem of poverty is one that very few nations have been able to fix - and never for long.
Even Jesus said "you will always have the poor". All of our efforts for a "War on Poverty" have done, is perpetuate it, by fostering a culture that accepts it.

Agree 100% especially the bolded.....
Certain people are unwilling to stand up and admit the cycle of failure. The cycle of "victimhood." All because they are afraid to lose THEIR position within that society knowing that they will be labeled.
Think Bill Cosby (before the rapey stuff) when some people thought he was bold for speaking out about the victimhood and epidemic of uneducated peoples. He has shunned by his own people because of it AND everyone heard that message loud and clear. Many other examples.

 

[vraiblonde]

the PARENTS that cause the situation.

Bingo.

We all know low income people where the mom might even be a single parent, but she's involved with her kids and their education, and working her ass off to do the job. But there are many more who don't give a damn. Drugs are a big cause, which is just part of the poor decision making lifestyle. And when pretty much everyone you know is a drug addicted low life with no future, it becomes acceptable.

But in these low performing hell hole schools, there ARE kids who are bright and want to learn....but they're hampered by bureaucracy and distractions by the ghetto kids and staff that either doesn't give a damn or can't keep up. Throwing more money at the problem doesn't work and we know that because we've seen that show a thousand times and know how it ends.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Bingo.

We all know low income people where the mom might even be a single parent, but she's involved with her kids and their education, and working her ass off to do the job. But there are many more who don't give a damn. Drugs are a big cause, which is just part of the poor decision making lifestyle. And when pretty much everyone you know is a drug addicted low life with no future, it becomes acceptable.

But in these low performing hell hole schools, there ARE kids who are bright and want to learn....but they're hampered by bureaucracy and distractions by the ghetto kids and staff that either doesn't give a damn or can't keep up. Throwing more money at the problem doesn't work and we know that because we've seen that show a thousand times and know how it ends.

Don't forget the self-absorbed parents (of any race or ethnicity) that are just too damned busy with their own lives to worry about their child's education. Seen PLENTY of those...

 

[SamSpade]

Bingo.

We all know low income people where the mom might even be a single parent,

MUCH bigger problem among blacks than any other group, because there's a much higher prevalence of mom-only households.
Boys are drawn to gangs, because it is a way to connect with other males - and older ones.
FATHERHOOD is one of the best vaccines against boys getting into trouble - at least, ones that are involved, and care.

And although this next datum is connected more to white kids and adolescents - most serial killers of the past several generations - grew up fatherless (most serial killers are white).

There are ALWAYS notable exceptions - Obama, for example - the pattern is persistent. BEST fix for success is for the children to have two engaged parents.

 

[vraiblonde]

Don't forget the self-absorbed parents (of any race or ethnicity) that are just too damned busy with their own lives to worry about their child's education. Seen PLENTY of those...

And the schools are all, "We need all this money and power to be the parents these kids don't have..." and then never actually do anything beneficial for these kids. So I'm against giving them any more money because it's not producing the desired outcome.

 

[SamSpade]

And the schools are all, "We need all this money and power to be the parents these kids don't have..." and then never actually do anything beneficial for these kids. So I'm against giving them any more money because it's not producing the desired outcome.

I'm really thinking we should take a good look at how other nations educate their kids. From what I've seen, we must be almost the only ones that run all kids through the very same path, from K to 12. The very IDEA of K to 12 doesn't exist in many Western nations.