Diching this POS ipad and iphone

Beta

Smile!
You sure you're comparing apples to apples? Absolutely sure? Core count? Amount of cache? Memory? Speed of memory? Speed of processor? How about networking options? Wired and wireless? How about built-in optical media? USB 3.0? I could go on, but on balance, it simply is no longer true that Apple gear is more expensive, once you figure out how to compare apples to apples.

Looks like you have a bit of homework ahead of you.
Sigh. You have a possible point that I figured you'd bring up. But most of Apples computers are built to have all sorts of extra crap that may or may not be needed. For example, I'm sure the tiny Apple laptops have much more horsepower than the others of their size, hence the better rating and $600 price difference. At the same time, though, if the speed of the memory and other values are so superior for Apple computers, why don't they function as well when compared to other products that are cheaper? Just because they have more memory, if they don't test out better than other computers, what's the purpose? They might have more stuff built in, but most users don't need everything included in an Apple product. Customizable options are far superior. So sure, it's certainly possible that if you put every component from an Apple into a Dell, the price would be similar, but most reasonable people wouldn't do that because it makes no sense to do so. Thus, Apple tells people the price point would be the same and you go buy it because of all the nice frills that you absolutely don't need.

So who cares if the cost *would* be the same when the value most people are getting is much lower?

No operating system is free from potential security problems.

At least up until Jobs died, when Apple touted "security" I now believe that was code for "safe from NSA snooping" not necessarily safe from malware being unwittingly installed on your machine.

Well obviously. They all have faults. I think Apple's is a bit safer between a combination of how its setup and the fact that there are fewer users (at least in the past) so fewer viruses were made. That is, of course, until we found out that you could essentially take control of the computers with a nothing virus. :yikes:
 

LibertyBeacon

Unto dust we shall return
Sigh. You have a possible point that I figured you'd bring up. But most of Apples computers are built to have all sorts of extra crap that may or may not be needed. For example, I'm sure the tiny Apple laptops have much more horsepower than the others of their size, hence the better rating and $600 price difference. At the same time, though, if the speed of the memory and other values are so superior for Apple computers, why don't they function as well when compared to other products that are cheaper? Just because they have more memory, if they don't test out better than other computers, what's the purpose? They might have more stuff built in, but most users don't need everything included in an Apple product. Customizable options are far superior. So sure, it's certainly possible that if you put every component from an Apple into a Dell, the price would be similar, but most reasonable people wouldn't do that because it makes no sense to do so. Thus, Apple tells people the price point would be the same and you go buy it because of all the nice frills that you absolutely don't need.

Ergo, when you compare apples to apples, Apple-branded gear, on balance, is not more expensive.

:shrug:
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Apple OS and Hardware is all made by ONE Company, not 10,000 PC companies all vying for a sliver of the pie, trying to make the cheapest components possible ....

when you by a $ 200 laptop from Best Buy you get what you pay for ... expect it to be dead in a couple of yrs

when you purchase a business class laptop [built more for the abuse] you get a better product that lasts longer
I have one 7 yrs old, originally an XP unit still runs great with Windows 7 ....

I helped a friend of my wife, move all of her 'stuff' to her new 27 inch iMac, I took home the old 24 inch iMac from 2005 as payment .... still runs great



rage against Apple all you wish, [it all comes down to personal preference] but for millions of People, iDevices just work
it has been a known fact for decades now, a PC Owner will spend more time 'maintaining' their computer that a OS X user .... this was true even back on the OS 7 / Windows 95/98 days ....



is anyone else selling a computer with a built in 5k display ?

http://www.apple.com/imac-with-retina/
 

LibertyBeacon

Unto dust we shall return
Apple OS and Hardware is all made by ONE Company, not 10,000 PC companies all vying for a sliver of the pie, trying to make the cheapest components possible ....

when you by a $ 200 laptop from Best Buy you get what you pay for ... expect it to be dead in a couple of yrs

when you purchase a business class laptop [built more for the abuse] you get a better product that lasts longer
I have one 7 yrs old, originally an XP unit still runs great with Windows 7 ....

I helped a friend of my wife, move all of her 'stuff' to her new 27 inch iMac, I took home the old 24 inch iMac from 2005 as payment .... still runs great



rage against Apple all you wish, [it all comes down to personal preference] but for millions of People, iDevices just work
it has been a known fact for decades now, a PC Owner will spend more time 'maintaining' their computer that a OS X user .... this was true even back on the OS 7 / Windows 95/98 days ....



is anyone else selling a computer with a built in 5k display ?

http://www.apple.com/imac-with-retina/


My fat Mac still boots.
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
Apple OS and Hardware is all made by ONE Company, not 10,000 PC companies all vying for a sliver of the pie, trying to make the cheapest components possible ....

when you by a $ 200 laptop from Best Buy you get what you pay for ... expect it to be dead in a couple of yrs

when you purchase a business class laptop [built more for the abuse] you get a better product that lasts longer
I have one 7 yrs old, originally an XP unit still runs great with Windows 7 ....

I helped a friend of my wife, move all of her 'stuff' to her new 27 inch iMac, I took home the old 24 inch iMac from 2005 as payment .... still runs great



rage against Apple all you wish, [it all comes down to personal preference] but for millions of People, iDevices just work
it has been a known fact for decades now, a PC Owner will spend more time 'maintaining' their computer that a OS X user .... this was true even back on the OS 7 / Windows 95/98 days ....



is anyone else selling a computer with a built in 5k display ?

http://www.apple.com/imac-with-retina/

They are all made by Foxcon, doesn't matter what name is on it.
 

Beta

Smile!
Ergo, when you compare apples to apples, Apple-branded gear, on balance, is not more expensive.

:shrug:

But if the value is still crap because you're getting stuff you don't need, why pay the higher price? :doh:

And I didn't say that was the case, I said it might be.
 

LibertyBeacon

Unto dust we shall return
But if the value is still crap because you're getting stuff you don't need, why pay the higher price? :doh:

And I didn't say that was the case, I said it might be.

Fair enough. How about we split the difference and recognize that ever since Apple dropped Motorola silicon, the "Apple tax" is nowhere near what it used to be.
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
Fair enough. How about we split the difference and recognize that ever since Apple dropped Motorola silicon, the "Apple tax" is nowhere near what it used to be.

Why do they charge so much more for a storage upgrade to the I-Phone and also not make one in the size that most people would probably upgrade to?
 

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
I'm finding that I need to upgrade my phone, and I really don't want to. I love my iPhone (5) and have software on it from 2 years ago. I don't have enough memory to install the newest so I'm stuck trading it in for something else. My one problem with the iPhone is the camera/ pictures. They suck! So, I've looked into a droid phone (HATE, HATE, HATE them) but everyone swears they've come a long way since a few years ago. Does anyone have the Samsung Galaxy? It seems pretty equal with the iPhone. What is a GREAT droid phone?? FWIW, I don't care about apps and games. I just want to talk, text, and take pictures.
 

RareBreed

Throwing the deuces
I'm finding that I need to upgrade my phone, and I really don't want to. I love my iPhone (5) and have software on it from 2 years ago. I don't have enough memory to install the newest so I'm stuck trading it in for something else. My one problem with the iPhone is the camera/ pictures. They suck! So, I've looked into a droid phone (HATE, HATE, HATE them) but everyone swears they've come a long way since a few years ago. Does anyone have the Samsung Galaxy? It seems pretty equal with the iPhone. What is a GREAT droid phone?? FWIW, I don't care about apps and games. I just want to talk, text, and take pictures.

I have the SG3 and it takes great pictures. I don't see why the SG6 wouldn't be as great but I did hear that there is a possibility of somebody hacking it but Samsung is working on a patch that users can download. Google Galaxy 6 hacking and different articles come up.
 
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