Do you give 10%????
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morganj614
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I am always amazed that people feel they must pay to worship their God. It all makes religion seem like the business it is. 
Goodness begins and home and it doesn't cost a thing.
Goodness begins and home and it doesn't cost a thing.itsbob said:
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I'm saddened by it. Too many churches seem to put forth that message. There are some big businesses out there that claim to be ministries and have gotten fat by taking advantage of people.morganj614 said:I am always amazed that people feel they must pay to worship their God. It all makes religion seem like the business it is.
I just finished re-reading the book of Exodus this past week, and in there beginning with the 25th Chapter is a very detailed description of the Lord having Moses ask for contributions from the people to build a sanctuary. He was building a sanctuary where there was none - far different from taking contributions from the people to build a mansion for Moses and Aaron and his sons.
My point is that there was a job to be done with those contributions, not a profit to be made. Nowadays, it seems like churches and "Organized" denominations have lost sight of that. My relationship with the Lord is a very powerful and very personal one. We don't need a cathedral in which to commune.
The original churches were autonomous. They were not identified as the church of Paul or the Church of Peter. Matter of fact, Paul got after the Corinthians for that very thing.
The churches were called according to the area or city where they were located, the church at Laodicea, the church in Jerusalem, the church in Antioch, the church in Rome, etc. The apostles would travel to the individual churches and preach and they would send them letters. That is where the Pauline Epistles come from.
Someone saw that there were lots of tithes and offerings being collected at the various churches and figured if they could get all the money sent to a central location, it could be distributed to those who needed it. It was man trying to organize God's church that corrupted it. Has any organization run by men ever not been corrupted? The organization into a single church rather than individual churches led to a hierarchy, someone has to be at the top. Man, as usual, missed that Y'shua is at the top and no one else is. If a person is to be a minister, they must be a servant not a lord.
A man at the top always leads to missed purposes. The original person at the top may be completely altruistic and so the successor, but eventually, someone get in power that has their own interest above all others and greed and corruption sets in. I think that is how many organizations that call themselves Christian get to emphasize money and not the gospel. That is where flowing robes and jewel encrusted crowns and trappings come from.
That is why I identify myself as a Christian and not as a Pentecostal, Baptist, Catholic, or the like.
The churches were called according to the area or city where they were located, the church at Laodicea, the church in Jerusalem, the church in Antioch, the church in Rome, etc. The apostles would travel to the individual churches and preach and they would send them letters. That is where the Pauline Epistles come from.
Someone saw that there were lots of tithes and offerings being collected at the various churches and figured if they could get all the money sent to a central location, it could be distributed to those who needed it. It was man trying to organize God's church that corrupted it. Has any organization run by men ever not been corrupted? The organization into a single church rather than individual churches led to a hierarchy, someone has to be at the top. Man, as usual, missed that Y'shua is at the top and no one else is. If a person is to be a minister, they must be a servant not a lord.
A man at the top always leads to missed purposes. The original person at the top may be completely altruistic and so the successor, but eventually, someone get in power that has their own interest above all others and greed and corruption sets in. I think that is how many organizations that call themselves Christian get to emphasize money and not the gospel. That is where flowing robes and jewel encrusted crowns and trappings come from.
GIjoeKungFUgrip
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It can be confusing
You'll hear many different takes on tithing, but we have always given 10% of our gross salary. Sometimes to church other times to ministries associated with our church (overseas missions, relief aid). Yet we always seem to make ends meet and continue to be blessed by receiving gifts from Him.
You'll hear many different takes on tithing, but we have always given 10% of our gross salary. Sometimes to church other times to ministries associated with our church (overseas missions, relief aid). Yet we always seem to make ends meet and continue to be blessed by receiving gifts from Him.
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remaxrealtor
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Good point Morgan. I also ponder the 10% ratio. If someone is making $25,000, then maybe $2500 is workable into their budget, but if you make $200,000, 20 grand is a whole different ball game. However, someone on welfare who doesn't work is welcome to worship at any church, but they aren't responsible for any financial burden? Maybe I'm just tired, but it doesn't make sense to me.morganj614 said:I am always amazed that people feel they must pay to worship their God. It all makes religion seem like the business it is.
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remaxrealtor said:
If you only make 25K $2500 is going to take away from something.
I don't think God is short on cash. Can't he just make some more?
This should shed some light I hope.
You are right that God does not need your money or anything else. A person tithes in order to be obedient to God. It is prescribed as the right thing to do in the Bible.
supersurfer
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I choose not to believe the Bible, but if I did, I wouldn't try to twist the verses to fit my agenda, or the agenda of my pastor/church.2ndAmendment said:
You quoted "Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."
Back up a little there, Who is "God" talking to there?
Well, to find that out, you'd have to back all the way up to Malachi 2:1, which says, "And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you."
Wow, the priest were robbing "God", just like they are doing today.
I'm willing to debate tithing with you, What say you?
I'd say you are here just to cause hate and discontent.supersurfer said:I choose not to believe the Bible, but if I did, I wouldn't try to twist the verses to fit my agenda, or the agenda of my pastor/church.
You quoted "Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."
Back up a little there, Who is "God" talking to there?
Well, to find that out, you'd have to back all the way up to Malachi 2:1, which says, "And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you."
Wow, the priest were robbing "God", just like they are doing today.
I'm willing to debate tithing with you, What say you?
The giving of the tithe is in far more verses of the Bible that the verse in Malachi; there are 31 verses, 26 in the Old Testament and 5 in the New Testament. You are correct that the admonishment in Malachi is to the priests, but that does not mean that we are not to learn from the admonishment, so there is no twist.
The idea that you want to argue is of the flesh.
I choose to follow the Spirit.
We have no common ground for understanding since, you are by your own admission do not believe the Bible so are of the flesh, and I, because of the Holy Spirit within me, am of the Spirit.
The discussion of the tithe is complete as far as I am concerned so take your spirit of dispute elsewhere for an argument.
supersurfer
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Have I said anything hateful towards you?2ndAmendment said:
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Circumcision is in a lot of verses too, but as I understand Christianity, it is no longer required because Christians are no longer under the law but grace.2A said:
I put forth the argument that the tithe falls under the catagory or the law as well.
Can you or your church trace there heritage back to the Levites?
Deut. 14:28, 29 (NIV) 28At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.
Ever throw a party and get drunk with you tithes?
Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; [or] if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
Deu 14:25 Then shalt thou turn [it] into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Translation=I have nothing to support my claim that a christian is supposed to tithe.2A said:
supersurfer
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You are so much better than me.2ndAmendment said:
Chasey_Lane
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Good points, Super! 
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Vixen
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I did a quick skim of this thread....
But I am curious about something.
Where did the 10% amount come from? Who decided 10% was the amount.
I will look again. *ahem* I am sure somebody asked this already.
But I am curious about something.
Where did the 10% amount come from? Who decided 10% was the amount.
I will look again. *ahem* I am sure somebody asked this already.
supersurfer
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The definition of a tithe is a tenth, or 10%.
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Vixen
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I am not disagreeing with tithing. I come from a strong CMA background and was raised to believe you gave 10% to the church (even after my mother changed denominations). I can see in the Old Testament in Malachi chapter 3 vs. 6 and what follows says “In tithes and offerings” just like I see in other parts but unless you point it out, I do not see where it says “one-tenth” in the King James Version.
This is out of the New Living Translation I searched that online.
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Your search on "one-tenth" yielded 3 matches.
Numbers 18:28 You must present one-tenth of the tithe received from the Israelites as a gift to the LORD. From this you must present the LORD's portion to Aaron the priest.
Deuteronomy 14:22 "You must set aside a tithe of your crops--one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year.
I donate a considerable about of money to Hospice every year 4% of our over all salary thru payroll deduction. Other organizations only equal about 2% and most of that is to St. Jude’s Hospital. ß-- This is BEFORE taxes or any other deductions are taken out.
This is where I go against the grain of my family. As you can see, we donate 6% of our income BEFORE TAXES to charitable organizations. In all honestly, our contribution to the church hasn’t been more than 1-2% for years. My uncle and my father believe 10% is 10% and it is to the church. I feel that these organization work for the good of mankind and should be included. I am constantly ensuring there is nothing wasted in the fact that when clothes are outgrown, they are also shipped off to charity and including furniture or anything else we have that we no longer use.
I think in a day and age when we pay taxes on EVERYTHING and that eats up a considerable amount of most of all of our incomes, 10% is tough and scary amount to toss at people and for many it could make a difference on putting food on the table or not.
I feel something, anything, is better than nothing. Just because other I know don’t donate anything to charity or the church or donate less doesn’t make me think any less of them, nor should it.
Some may not have the money but they have time to give. Like I said – something, anything is better than nothing and I also believe that should include giving to charitable organizations.
This is out of the New Living Translation I searched that online.
results:
Your search on "one-tenth" yielded 3 matches.
Numbers 18:28 You must present one-tenth of the tithe received from the Israelites as a gift to the LORD. From this you must present the LORD's portion to Aaron the priest.
Deuteronomy 14:22 "You must set aside a tithe of your crops--one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year.
I donate a considerable about of money to Hospice every year 4% of our over all salary thru payroll deduction. Other organizations only equal about 2% and most of that is to St. Jude’s Hospital. ß-- This is BEFORE taxes or any other deductions are taken out.
This is where I go against the grain of my family. As you can see, we donate 6% of our income BEFORE TAXES to charitable organizations. In all honestly, our contribution to the church hasn’t been more than 1-2% for years. My uncle and my father believe 10% is 10% and it is to the church. I feel that these organization work for the good of mankind and should be included. I am constantly ensuring there is nothing wasted in the fact that when clothes are outgrown, they are also shipped off to charity and including furniture or anything else we have that we no longer use.
I think in a day and age when we pay taxes on EVERYTHING and that eats up a considerable amount of most of all of our incomes, 10% is tough and scary amount to toss at people and for many it could make a difference on putting food on the table or not.
I feel something, anything, is better than nothing. Just because other I know don’t donate anything to charity or the church or donate less doesn’t make me think any less of them, nor should it.
Some may not have the money but they have time to give. Like I said – something, anything is better than nothing and I also believe that should include giving to charitable organizations.
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supersurfer said:
Ok, the post I made that follows shows along the lines of what I was getting at.
We see it clearly SPELLED OUT in other versions written after the King James Version but why wasn't the need there to spell it out before?
It doesn't change my opinion that "something/anything" is better than nothing.
supersurfer
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The word tithe from Strong's Concordance:
4643 ma`aser mah-as-ayr'
or maasar {mah-as-ar'}; and
(in plural) feminine maasrah
{mah-as-raw'}; from 6240; a
tenth; especially a tithe:--
tenth (part), tithe(-ing).
see HEBREW for 06240
4643 ma`aser mah-as-ayr'
or maasar {mah-as-ar'}; and
(in plural) feminine maasrah
{mah-as-raw'}; from 6240; a
tenth; especially a tithe:--
tenth (part), tithe(-ing).
see HEBREW for 06240