Do you give 10%????

[2ndAmendment]

Do some in your congregation still do this? What is the reasoning behind that?

Do what? Handle poisonous snakes? No.

I already addressed the clothing part.

 

[crabcake]

OK. I guess by your standard, I should have said we are to discern sin and not judge a person. Better?

Not my standard; it was the word of God. But yes, TY.

 

[sleuth]

I'm curious how many foreclosures/bankruptcies were filed by tithing christians.

My guess is not many.
Pretty hard statistic to find, though.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I'm curious how many foreclosures/bankruptcies were filed by tithing christians.

Probably few, but I don't know. A tithing Christian will probably be debt free or working towards that end rather than running up every credit card to the max.

 

[Midnightrider]

I don't see the connection. I fact i think the argument could be made that many tithing christians do so to "keep up apearances" and therefore may also be suseptable to trying to "keep up with the joneses" there by running up a huge debt.

But i would guess that the percentage of tithing christians that go bankrupt is roughly equal to the percent of all people that go bankrupt

 

[nomoney]

Do what? Handle poisonous snakes? No.

I already addressed the clothing part.

No I meant do they still wear the long skirts, long hair. And yes you addressed the clothing part by saying "we don't do that" but you haven't answered why some do, what the reasoning behind it is :shrug: Simple question. And isn't your church the one Mr. Staton (sp?) runs? I know all the women in that family wear the long skirts etc....so in that case I guess your church does do that :shrug: right? /(if not all, some). But that's a mute point. I'm not disagreeing over if your congregation's females dress a certain way or not. I just want to know why the ones that do - do :shrug:

 

[2ndAmendment]

I don't see the connection. I fact i think the argument could be made that many tithing christians do so to "keep up apearances" and therefore may also be suseptable to trying to "keep up with the joneses" there by running up a huge debt.

But i would guess that the percentage of tithing christians that go bankrupt is roughly equal to the percent of all people that go bankrupt

I disagree. I was reluctant to even post in this thread about my personal giving, but thought that maybe some good could come of it. A Christian is and should be private in their giving.

Matthew 6:2-4

<sup id="en-NASB-23285">2</sup>"So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

<sup id="en-NASB-23286">3</sup>"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

<sup id="en-NASB-23287">4</sup>so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

I think this is applicable to all giving to God's work by His people. Therefore giving a tithe in most churches by most Christians is not for appearances.


Also, even though I would really like to have a Hummer H1A, I can't afford one, so I am not going to mortgage my future and go deep into debt to get one. Same goes for homes larger than needed or airplanes or clothes or jewelery.

 

[nomoney]

My guess is not many.
Pretty hard statistic to find, though.

http://www.christianccc.org/

I guess they don't get used a lot then

 

[crabcake]

http://www.christianccc.org/

I guess they don't get used a lot then

A lot of peeps don't know that when you go through those places (christian or not), they flag your credit report, and can later hurt your chances of getting credit if you need it.

 

[2ndAmendment]

No I meant do they still wear the long skirts, long hair. And yes you addressed the clothing part by saying "we don't do that" but you haven't answered why some do, what the reasoning behind it is :shrug: Simple question. And isn't your church the one Mr. Staton (sp?) runs? I know all the women in that family wear the long skirts etc....so in that case I guess your church does do that :shrug: right? /(if not all, some). But that's a mute point. I'm not disagreeing over if your congregation's females dress a certain way or not. I just want to know why the ones that do - do :shrug:

Yes, the church I go to has Jerry Staten as our pastor. His family and some others in the church choose to follow the precept of being plain. Other do not. I have observed no difference in treatment of those that do and those that don't.

1 Timothy 2:9-10

<sup id="en-NASB-29726">9</sup>Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, <sup id="en-NASB-29727">10</sup>but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.

The "I" in the passage is Paul not Jesus or God speaking through a prophet. This is Paul's request. Some use it for guidance in their own actions; some do not.

 

[Midnightrider]

Also, even though I would really like to have a Hummer H1A, I can't afford one, so I am not going to mortgage my future and go deep into debt to get one. Same goes for homes larger than needed or airplanes or clothes or jewelery.

just bcause you as an individual have restaint and fiscal responsibility doesn't, mean that all people with a similar faith have the same charecteristics.
I have friends who are catholic and upstanding members of their church. But they lost their house 2 years ago- that doesn't mean all catholics are delinquint on their mortgages.

 

[2ndAmendment]

http://www.christianccc.org/

I guess they don't get used a lot then

Maybe they do. A new Christian has the same money woes they came through the door of the church with. They become convicted that they need to be good stewards of the blessings God gives them, job, home, etc., and strive to find ways to get out of debt so they can be good stewards and maybe even tithe.

 

[2ndAmendment]

just bcause you as an individual have restaint and fiscal responsibility doesn't, mean that all people with a similar faith have the same charecteristics.
I have friends who are catholic and upstanding members of their church. But they lost their house 2 years ago- that doesn't mean all catholics are delinquint on their mortgages.

I did not always have fiscal restraint. I am convinced that I need to be a good steward.

Luke 12:42-48

<sup id="en-NASB-25502">42</sup>And the Lord said, "Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?

<sup id="en-NASB-25503">43</sup>"Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes.

<sup id="en-NASB-25504">44</sup>"Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.

<sup id="en-NASB-25505">45</sup>"But if that slave says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk;

<sup id="en-NASB-25506">46</sup>the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

<sup id="en-NASB-25507">47</sup>"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,

<sup id="en-NASB-25508">48</sup>but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

 

[nomoney]

Yes, the church I go to has Jerry Staten as our pastor. His family and some others in the church choose to follow the precept of being plain. Other do not. I have observed no difference in treatment of those that do and those that don't.
The "I" in the passage is Paul not Jesus or God speaking through a prophet. This is Paul's request. Some use it for guidance in their own actions; some do not.

Thanks that's what I was wondering. What "guideline" they were following. TIA

 

[2ndAmendment]

Hey CC,
Guess I may have used the wrong scripture. Yes, Christians are to discern right and wrong, sin, but saints will judge the world.

1 Corinthians 6:2-3

<sup id="en-NASB-28470">2</sup>Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

<sup id="en-NASB-28471">3</sup>Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

This is actually said in regard to lawsuits. The believers that we now call Christians were called saints at first. Christians were first called that at Antioch.

Acts 11:26

<sup id="en-NASB-27334">26</sup>and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

 

[crabcake]

 

[BS Gal]

I'm giving 40% to the oil companies right now.

I got red karma for this. Go figure. How do you think it makes me feel that you are on the religious forum sending red? THAT is part of the reason I stopped going to church. People that pretend to be religious that are not and sneaking around being non-religious, but being something else when they go to church. What I said was to give some lightness to the forum. You need to go back to your church and ask forgiveness. I'm done.

 

[itsbob]

Give 10% to yourself, then the government nor your church will have to take care of you when you retire. 10% in an a GOOD IRA, you can retire and never have to work again in 20 years or less.

God doesn't need nor want my money, and this is what turned me of too organized religion to begin with.. even had a bishop tell me to pay my 10% and if I couldn't feed my family the church would help out. Then everything dealing with the church was centered on the tithe.. not if you were worthy or a good deserving christian, but EVERY interview ended with "Are you a full tithe payer?" No, I'm sorry you can't have salvation you didn't pay for it.. and I tried the 10% of my time.. shovelled the walks, cut the grass trimmed the bushes.. nope, that's not $$$'s doesn't count.

 

[Railroad]

I give 10%. It hasn't been a hardship at all! In fact, the Lord has been seeing to it that we have enough to pay our bills and live very comfortably in times when our income is at risk and has taken major hits. We're in better shape now than in the 20+ years before we began tithing 10%.

I give to the church(es) the Lord leads me to give to. I don't go to a local church because of my wife's condition, so my focus is to support ministry rather than a given church.

 

[Railroad]

Give 10% to yourself, then the government nor your church will have to take care of you when you retire. 10% in an a GOOD IRA, you can retire and never have to work again in 20 years or less.

God doesn't need nor want my money, and this is what turned me of too organized religion to begin with.. even had a bishop tell me to pay my 10% and if I couldn't feed my family the church would help out. Then everything dealing with the church was centered on the tithe.. not if you were worthy or a good deserving christian, but EVERY interview ended with "Are you a full tithe payer?" No, I'm sorry you can't have salvation you didn't pay for it.. and I tried the 10% of my time.. shovelled the walks, cut the grass trimmed the bushes.. nope, that's not $$$'s doesn't count.

I don't know what church you're talking about, Bob, but I can guess. I feel likewise about that kind of church and the lies they tell people. It's very sad, and I hope your relationship with the Lord hasn't been damaged by it.