Dugger vs Dunham

This_person

Well-Known Member
What did the duggars do the other 2 times they 'discovered' josh was molesting girls? Did they take him back to see that child pornographer/ state trooper who had been recoomended by a friend?
The cop was a child pornographer? I hadn't heard that. Where did you get that from?
its hilarious that you are worried that people might not report this kind of crime in the future but you are fine with it not being reported in the past.
It WAS reported in the past. That's what you're not getting.
BTW, you are wrong. this was a public record. there was no expectation of privacy. That is the same for everyone. The duggars do not get a special set of laws to live by.
They were told it would not be. They expected privacy because they were told it would be private.
 

This_person

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I'm not midnight, so another fact you got wrong.

But, what I said was that the people to which I was referring were the ones you said were not saying it. You said I said it was no big deal, and I didn't. You said Psy said it was no big deal, and Psy never did. Please provide the 30% calculation (who do you think believe it is not a big deal to vs. those who believe it is a big deal divided by the total number of posters in this thread). TYVM
 

tblwdc

New Member
But, what I said was that the people to which I was referring were the ones you said were not saying it. You said I said it was no big deal, and I didn't. You said Psy said it was no big deal, and Psy never did. Please provide the 30% calculation (who do you think believe it is not a big deal to vs. those who believe it is a big deal divided by the total number of posters in this thread). TYVM

I never said psy said it wasn't a big deal. Never once did I say that. Why do you lie? Here are some of the people who did either say it wasn't a big deal, or agreed with someone else who said it wasn't a big deal. Gurps Hjinx Bann Vri
 

Midnightrider

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The cop was a child pornographer? I hadn't heard that. Where did you get that from?It WAS reported in the past. That's what you're not getting.They were told it would not be. They expected privacy because they were told it would be private.

its a public record :shrug:

its the same for everybody. If they hadn't made themselves public figures no one would know who they are right now, even if the documkent came out because the names were redacted. the only reason anyone can figure out who is being talked about in the police report is because the duggars put their life out there on that show.



Hutchens, 69, was convicted and sentenced in 2007 on child pornography charges, but released on parole in 2010.

Soon after his release he was arrested again Radar Online reports and charged with four counts of distribution, possession or viewing of sexually explicit material involving a child.

He is currently serving a 60 year sentence though he will be eligible for parole in November 2020


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-child-pornography-charges.html#ixzz3caMBQTsH
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you really ought to read up on this case........
 

This_person

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Why do you lie? Here are some of the people who did either say it wasn't a big deal, or agreed with someone else who said it wasn't a big deal. Gurps Hjinx Bann Vri
So, 4 people, in your opinion, say it is not a big deal.

Let me re-phrase: "Virtually no one says this is not a big deal...."


Better?



Not that those people are "no ones", but that is a pretty small number. And, again, I was addressing midnight's assertion that the majority of people were not considering it a big deal.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
its a public record :shrug:

its the same for everybody. If they hadn't made themselves public figures no one would know who they are right now, even if the documkent came out because the names were redacted. the only reason anyone can figure out who is being talked about in the police report is because the duggars put their life out there on that show.
No, the reason people can figure it out is that a report that was promised to the victims to remain private was not kept private. A lot of things about them remain private, just like every other famous person, but this was not kept in confidence as promised to the victims. That some sleazebag company chose to take what should, to any reasonable person, be private information and made it public is why we know if it. It's very much like those starlets who took nude photos and then someone hacked their private accounts to make those pictures public. No one would know about them if they weren't starlets, and the hack was a known fault in the system, so it's really their own faults, right? NOT
you really ought to read up on this case........
I was unaware of this, that is true. I don't see how it negates the fact that the Duggars went to the police three years before the police report was made, but you don't really worry about the core issues, you like to obfuscate the real issues with side ones like these. It fits your MO.
 

Midnightrider

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No, the reason people can figure it out is that a report that was promised to the victims to remain private was not kept private. A lot of things about them remain private, just like every other famous person, but this was not kept in confidence as promised to the victims. That some sleazebag company chose to take what should, to any reasonable person, be private information and made it public is why we know if it. It's very much like those starlets who took nude photos and then someone hacked their private accounts to make those pictures public. No one would know about them if they weren't starlets, and the hack was a known fault in the system, so it's really their own faults, right?NOT
you want to show where they were promised this document would not be a public record? or maybe show how that promise was conveyed?
THe sleazebag was Josh. His record as a sleazebag is public since the record was made after he turned 18. Thats the way it works for everyone.
If they were not on that TV show no one whould have ever known who they were even if this document was released. All of their names and pronouns were redacted, including Josh's. No one hacked anything, no one stole anything, this was a public record.
was unaware of this, that is true. I don't see how it negates the fact that the Duggars went to the police three years before the police report was made, but you don't really worry about the core issues, you like to obfuscate the real issues with side ones like these. It fits your MO.
The duggars hand chose that cop based on the reccomendation of a friend. That cop didn't do anything about it and later turned out to be a child porn lover. Yeah, i'd say that factors in. I would also say that it is mighty suspicious that they just happened to choose a perv to "confess to" and that they didn't take Josh back to the police after his second and third 'confession".
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
ridiculous as usual....
please quote where i have done anything like that.

Fish in a barrel. :lol: This is just getting more entertaining for me.

Once again, doing YOUR homework, and now with your own words; that you seem to have no memory writing. You should get that fixed:

It sounds like Duggar was a serial sexual offender, his family knew, and try all covered it up.

This guy should be on the sex offenders list. Probably the only reason he isn't is because he and his family covered it up for long enough.

Rapists and molesters should be prosecuted and ostracized, period.

This was not two kids petting, it was a teenage boy who molested his younger sisters. To me that's just as bad as what those old priests were accused of.

Of course you're going to deny that this is what you're saying; but I think most of us are pretty clear about your view of the Duggars.

We get that think this was a serious crime. We get that you would had your child (if you had one; which it's obvious you don't) you'd have your own child thrown in prison and put your own son on (in your own words) "a sex offenders list". We get that you would have your own 14 year old son "prosecuted and ostracized".

See, most of us who are REALLY parents have a more rational way dealing with family problems; and that is to discipline, counsel, punish, and (when necessary, get our children help. You're the type that feels you have some right to inject yourself into the business of other peoples' families. You think you have some sort of ownership over peoples' lives. Most of us just want to get through our family issues, and YES, cover up our dirty laundry because, quite frankly.............. IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS. The Duggars dealt with it in their own way. How they dealt with it worked for them. The kids went on with NORMAL lives with their own families and don't need people like you coming along and trying to dictate to them how they should deal with their own problems.

You try to portray yourself as some conservative libertarian, when it's blatantly clear that you're nothing but a progressive, get-government-involved-in-everything, activist, busybody.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
you want to show where they were promised this document would not be a public record? or maybe show how that promise was conveyed?
THe sleazebag was Josh. His record as a sleazebag is public since the record was made after he turned 18. Thats the way it works for everyone.
If they were not on that TV show no one whould have ever known who they were even if this document was released. All of their names and pronouns were redacted, including Josh's. No one hacked anything, no one stole anything, this was a public record.
Releasing the information is horrific sleazebag stuff. Whether the family is known to twenty million people because they are on TV or twenty people because everybody knows somebody, it was private, intimate information that benefits no one to be released but unquestionably harms at least the victims. Whether it was legal to release and publish (which is highly suspect) or not, it was sleazy to do.
The duggars hand chose that cop based on the reccomendation of a friend. That cop didn't do anything about it and later turned out to be a child porn lover. Yeah, i'd say that factors in. I would also say that it is mighty suspicious that they just happened to choose a perv to "confess to" and that they didn't take Josh back to the police after his second and third 'confession".
How does it factor in that a police officer who was not charged at that point and was recommended to the family was who they went to? How does that change that you believe they should have gone to the police and they did?
 

Midnightrider

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Fish in a barrel. :lol: This is just getting more entertaining for me.

Once again, doing YOUR homework, and now with your own words; that you seem to have no memory writing. You should get that fixed:







Of course you're going to deny that this is what you're saying; but I think most of us are pretty clear about your view of the Duggars.

We get that think this was a serious crime. We get that you would had your child (if you had one; which it's obvious you don't) you'd have your own child thrown in prison and put your own son on (in your own words) "a sex offenders list". We get that you would have your own 14 year old son "prosecuted and ostracized".

See, most of us who are REALLY parents have a more rational way dealing with family problems; and that is to discipline, counsel, punish, and (when necessary, get our children help. You're the type that feels you have some right to inject yourself into the business of other peoples' families. You think you have some sort of ownership over peoples' lives. Most of us just want to get through our family issues, and YES, cover up our dirty laundry because, quite frankly.............. IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS. The Duggars dealt with it in their own way. How they dealt with it worked for them. The kids went on with NORMAL lives with their own families and don't need people like you coming along and trying to dictate to them how they should deal with their own problems.

You try to portray yourself as some conservative libertarian, when it's blatantly clear that you're nothing but a progressive, get-government-involved-in-everything, activist, busybody.


Words have meaning.
In none of those posts did I do this:
....portray this family as a bunch of out-of-control sexual predators

Its funny watching you be so wrong. What you think you know is pretty far from reality.

As for the little sex offender you think you should be able to raise, You are damn right its my business. If you want to take risks in your own family fine. When that risk is visited on the community the community has a right to know. In this case the parents didn't and a girl from outside the family was molested. You are damn right I have a right to know if your little (imaginary) molester is a risk to my kids.

You try to portray yourself as a conservative, but its clear you think laws don't apply to you and yours and that taking responsibility for one's actions is a foreign concept to you.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Words have meaning.
In none of those posts did I do this:


Its funny watching you be so wrong. What you think you know is pretty far from reality.

As for the little sex offender you think you should be able to raise, You are damn right its my business. If you want to take risks in your own family fine. When that risk is visited on the community the community has a right to know. In this case the parents didn't and a girl from outside the family was molested. You are damn right I have a right to know if your little (imaginary) molester is a risk to my kids.

You try to portray yourself as a conservative, but its clear you think laws don't apply to you and yours and that taking responsibility for one's actions is a foreign concept to you.
Let me guess, his arguments are straw man arguments and you're getting bored with this, amiright?
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Words have meaning.
In none of those posts did I do this:


Its funny watching you be so wrong. What you think you know is pretty far from reality.

As for the little sex offender you think you should be able to raise, You are damn right its my business. If you want to take risks in your own family fine. When that risk is visited on the community the community has a right to know. In this case the parents didn't and a girl from outside the family was molested. You are damn right I have a right to know if your little (imaginary) molester is a risk to my kids.

You try to portray yourself as a conservative, but its clear you think laws don't apply to you and yours and that taking responsibility for one's actions is a foreign concept to you.

Oh I know… everyone is wrong even when everyone is telling you you’re wrong. Someone help me... there is a psychological term for this. :lmao:

I think you’ve made your point clear. Let us know when you have a 14 year and he does something really stupid. I want to go visit him in jail hear what he has to say about DADDY putting him there because he got curious about girls and went a little too far.
 
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Midnightrider

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Oh I know… everyone is wrong even when everyone is telling you you’re wrong. Someone help me... there is a psychological term for this. :lmao:

I think you’ve made your point clear. Let us know when you have a 14 year and he does something really stupid. I want to go visit him in jail hear what he has to say about DADDY putting him there because he got curious about girls and went a little too far.

Everyone huh? By my count most have no opinion or are staying out of it and there are 4 or 5 on each side. But you can count that as 'everyone' if you want :killingme

You have made your point clear too. You would hide your son's criminal activity even when he repeats it numerous times and violates 5 different grls and you would teach him to not take personal responsibility for his actions.
 

tblwdc

New Member
You're makingthe same mistake MR made. No one is suggesting it is not a serious crime. Everyone is suggesting that the perpetrator should be both properly disciplined and given psychological help, as should the victims as needed. But let's be realistic, it is not rape. The charge of fondling is the word on the report, not someone here.

I read your posts on the matter and you are such a liar! YOU said this was just playing doctor.(Post 126) YOU said this was a "kid feeling up another kid".(Posts 167 and 175) Are you that afraid of being wrong that you have to lie abou things? :lmao:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Everyone huh? By my count most have no opinion or are staying out of it and there are 4 or 5 on each side. But you can count that as 'everyone' if you want :killingme

You have made your point clear too. You would hide your son's criminal activity even when he repeats it numerous times and violates 5 different grls and you would teach him to not take personal responsibility for his actions.

Yes, I would hide my 14 year old son's 'criminal' activity because it's none of your damn business. You're a damn busybody thinking you're entitled to know what a family's 14 year old kid is doing. What happens in my house is my own business and how I deal with it is none of your business. What you fail to realize is how the Duggars dealt with Josh worked for them. They got Josh the help he needed and it worked. You'd have your kid in prison and deemed a pedophile for life. That just freaks me out that you'd be that kind of parent. I hope the hell you never have kids, because you're in for a rude awakening. But even this is a waste of time because you think you have it all figured out.

Now you go on and have the last word (because I know you just can't stand to have someone else have the last word), because I'm done with your ignorance and nonsense.
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
Yes, I would hide my 14 year old son's 'criminal' activity because it's none of your damn business. You're a damn busybody thinking you're entitled to know what a family's 14 year old kid is doing. What happens in my house is my own business and how I deal with it is none of your business. What you fail to realize is how the Duggars dealt with Josh worked for them. They got Josh the help he needed and it worked. You'd have your kid in prison and deemed a pedophile for life. That just freaks me out that you'd be that kind of parent. I hope the hell you never have kids, because you're in for a rude awakening. But even this is a waste of time because you think you have it all figured out.

Now you go on and have the last word (because I know you just can't stand to have someone else have the last word), because I'm done with your ignorance and nonsense.

Maybe you can show where I ever said that. Oh, that's right you cant.


Already raised one and raising the other. My boy was raised to stand up and take responsibility for his actions. If you had bothered to read anything I wrote you would know my kids have and are being raised to respect the law and take responsibility when they do wrong.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
you want to show where they were promised this document would not be a public record? or maybe show how that promise was conveyed?
THe sleazebag was Josh. His record as a sleazebag is public since the record was made after he turned 18. Thats the way it works for everyone.
If they were not on that TV show no one whould have ever known who they were even if this document was released. All of their names and pronouns were redacted, including Josh's. No one hacked anything, no one stole anything, this was a public record.
Releasing the information is horrific sleazebag stuff. Whether the family is known to twenty million people because they are on TV or twenty people because everybody knows somebody, it was private, intimate information that benefits no one to be released but unquestionably harms at least the victims. Whether it was legal to release and publish (which is highly suspect) or not, it was sleazy to do.
The duggars hand chose that cop based on the reccomendation of a friend. That cop didn't do anything about it and later turned out to be a child porn lover. Yeah, i'd say that factors in. I would also say that it is mighty suspicious that they just happened to choose a perv to "confess to" and that they didn't take Josh back to the police after his second and third 'confession".
How does it factor in that a police officer who was not charged at that point and was recommended to the family was who they went to? How does that change that you believe they should have gone to the police and they did?
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
I read your posts on the matter and you are such a liar! YOU said this was just playing doctor.(Post 126) YOU said this was a "kid feeling up another kid".(Posts 167 and 175) Are you that afraid of being wrong that you have to lie abou things? :lmao:

It was a kid feeling up other kids. It went no further than playing doctor. And it was non-consensual which makes it a serious deal. I've said all of this.

This wasn't rape. This was barely the technical definition of assault. But, it was non-consensual which makes it a serious deal.

This is the same thing that I have said before.
 
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