Dugger vs Dunham

[Midnightrider]

I know it's hard for you to discuss the subject of the thread, not me, but please try.


Can you answer these questions?

just as soon as you break down what your alleged qualifications are. so far all you have done is obfuscate.....

 

[This_person]

just as soon as you break down what your alleged qualifications are. so far all you have done is obfuscate.....

So, it's all about me, not the opinions on the situation. Gotcha!

Note, I never once asked anyone for their qualifications to have an opinion until asked (repeatedly) for my own. I've given you mine (degree/study), and you've given me yours (took some classes), so I'm not sure why you can't discuss opinions until we re-hash this same thing without you ever providing anything even as much as I have so far, but that's your prerogative. If you can't discuss the information without another round of MY (never yours or anyone else's) qualification discussions, then you forfeit the right to continue this conversation. [Edit: At least, you forfeit it with me. I'm sure others will be interested in your analysis of bad vs. evil and non-descript discussions of psychosis)

 

[Midnightrider]

So, it's all about me, not the opinions on the situation. Gotcha!

Note, I never once asked anyone for their qualifications to have an opinion until asked (repeatedly) for my own. I've given you mine (degree/study), and you've given me yours (took some classes), so I'm not sure why you can't discuss opinions until we re-hash this same thing without you ever providing anything even as much as I have so far, but that's your prerogative. If you can't discuss the information without another round of MY (never yours or anyone else's) qualification discussions, then you forfeit the right to continue this conversation. [Edit: At least, you forfeit it with me. I'm sure others will be interested in your analysis of bad vs. evil and non-descript discussions of psychosis)

no you didn't and thats not what i said. :shrug:

You are the one who wanted to play 'whose is bigger'. Now that you have been called on it you dont want to play. Its not a rehash, you have given two vague and desparate answers.

if you dont like it, then go away :shrug: :shrug:

 

[This_person]

no you didn't and thats not what i said. :shrug:

Actually, I did repeatedly say I have a degree and I've studied it. You have responded with:

So if I am to believe you, your expertise of both sexual addiction and josh duggar's sexual addiction in particular is that you took a couple courses on addiction at some point?

Guess what, me too.

Seems as though you don't know what you've said.

You are the one who wanted to play 'whose is bigger'. Now that you have been called on it you dont want to play. Its not a rehash, you have given two vague and desparate answers.

if you dont like it, then go away :shrug: :shrug:

I don't "like" having my answers inaccurately described as you did, nor me being asked to provide MY qualifications to have an opinion as me playing "whose is bigger" when I did not challenge anyone else's right to have an opinion first. That seems pretty intentionally dishonest to me.

But, I don't think this thread is about me the way you do. I think it's about Duggar (and Dunham, who said and did worse things but got a pass from the media, but that aspect of the thread seems to have been forgotten). So, I keep going back to the topic at hand.

You're seemingly unable to stick to the topic, because (as usual) you seem to think the topic is me. Do you have secret fantasies about me that the police should be aware of? You spend an awful lot of time on ME when the topic is Duggar. Have you used those couple of courses to evaluate THAT?

 

[tblwdc]

So, I tried to get you to simply answer, and you refused. Or, you didn’t understand the question, “do you see any difference between Duggar and Hitler?”

My gawd....... I gave you an answer!

Quote Originally Posted by tblwdc View Post
Evil is evil. There is certainly a difference between what they did. Both acts were evil.

How is that not an answer to your question?

 

[tblwdc]

When someone asks something like “So Hitler wasn’t bad?” in response to my saying that a different person “is sick [therefore] I don’t look at them as evil”

Why do you feel the need to lie and make up stuff in order to try to further your losing argument? Who ever said "So Hitler wasn't bad"? You do understand what attributing quotes mean don't you? It means those are the exact words spoken.

I understand you are desperately trying to get yourself out of this because you said you would not judge a person who did something wrong because of a mental illness, but then had to back off because you are a hypocrite when Hilter was brought into this. I get it. You made a stupid comment and now are too ignorant to back off of that comment. I stand by what I said. Hitler and Duggar are evil. They did not do the same thing. I don't see in the definition of evil where it gives levels or degrees of evil. Did they teach you that in your psychology school?

 

[This_person]

My gawd....... I gave you an answer!



How is that not an answer to your question?

I addressed that:

I suppose I could add “…any difference in the level of evil between…”, but experience tells me you’ll be incapable or unwilling to answer that question, too.
...
But, if I don’t understand, please tell me if, since you “can’t think of an evil worse than” what Duggar did, do you see the level of evil personified by Hitler as equal, or less evil than Duggar? Clearly Hitler is not worse, because you can’t think of an evil worse than Duggar. So, is their level of evil the same, or is Hitler less evil than Duggar?

 

[This_person]

Why do you feel the need to lie and make up stuff in order to try to further your losing argument? Who ever said "So Hitler wasn't bad"? You do understand what attributing quotes mean don't you? It means those are the exact words spoken.

Golly, I don't know who could have said that:

So Hitler wasn't bad?

Oh, it was you...

I understand you are desperately trying to get yourself out of this because you said you would not judge a person who did something wrong because of a mental illness, but then had to back off because you are a hypocrite when Hilter was brought into this. I get it. You made a stupid comment and now are too ignorant to back off of that comment.

I didn't judge Hitler. :shrug:

I stand by what I said. Hitler and Duggar are evil. They did not do the same thing. I don't see in the definition of evil where it gives levels or degrees of evil. Did they teach you that in your psychology school?

Evil is not a psychological concept, it's a moral one.

But, if you don't see varying degrees of evil (even after you said:

I can't think of a worse evil than that.

which, if you'll note, describes you using "worse ... than that" in a description of evil, which strongly implies that there are varying degrees of evil, then you're saying ipso facto that a kid copping a feel incestuously and without consent of another kid AND cheating on one's spouse is an equal evil to killing 11 million people for religious, racist, and other discriminatory reasons, starting a world war, and denying people citizenship based on religious reasons are really the same thing in terms of "level of evil" (since you "don't see in the definition of evil where it gives levels or degrees of evil".)

I get that's your point. I just disagree.

 

[tblwdc]

I addressed that:

You really can't be this stupid!

Quote Originally Posted by This_person View Post
I suppose I could add “…any difference in the level of evil between…”, but experience tells me you’ll be incapable or unwilling to answer that question, too.
...
But, if I don’t understand, please tell me if, since you “can’t think of an evil worse than” what Duggar did, do you see the level of evil personified by Hitler as equal, or less evil than Duggar? Clearly Hitler is not worse, because you can’t think of an evil worse than Duggar. So, is their level of evil the same, or is Hitler less evil than Duggar?

Well...maybe you can.

Why do you feel the need to lie and make up stuff in order to try to further your losing argument? Who ever said "So Hitler wasn't bad"? You do understand what attributing quotes mean don't you? It means those are the exact words spoken.

I understand you are desperately trying to get yourself out of this because you said you would not judge a person who did something wrong because of a mental illness, but then had to back off because you are a hypocrite when Hilter was brought into this. I get it. You made a stupid comment and now are too ignorant to back off of that comment. I stand by what I said. Hitler and Duggar are evil. They did not do the same thing. I don't see in the definition of evil where it gives levels or degrees of evil. Did they teach you that in your psychology school?

 

[This_person]

You really can't be this stupid!



Well...maybe you can.

Read the post I gave after that.

 

[Midnightrider]

Actually, I did repeatedly say I have a degree and I've studied it. You have responded with:Seems as though you don't know what you've said.

I don't "like" having my answers inaccurately described as you did, nor me being asked to provide MY qualifications to have an opinion as me playing "whose is bigger" when I did not challenge anyone else's right to have an opinion first. That seems pretty intentionally dishonest to me.

But, I don't think this thread is about me the way you do. I think it's about Duggar (and Dunham, who said and did worse things but got a pass from the media, but that aspect of the thread seems to have been forgotten). So, I keep going back to the topic at hand.

You're seemingly unable to stick to the topic, because (as usual) you seem to think the topic is me. Do you have secret fantasies about me that the police should be aware of? You spend an awful lot of time on ME when the topic is Duggar. Have you used those couple of courses to evaluate THAT?

no, you havent said, you have been particularly illusive about it after throwing down the 'mine is bigger' gauntlett in this post right here:

Then, we simply have a difference of opinion, based on our knowledge and education of the topic. One of us is informed, one of us is not, and that leads to a different understanding.
I am curious, though, if "evil is evil", then what is the difference to you on this?

so come on, tell us exactly what your qualifications are, and as i said before, spare us the 50 pages of BS to get there.

 

[tblwdc]

Read the post I gave after that.

Quote Originally Posted by tblwdc View Post
You really can't be this stupid! Well...maybe you can.

Read the post I gave after that.

Again, sentence structure is your friend.

How would anyone know what you meant by your post?

 

[This_person]

no, you havent said, you have been particularly illusive about it after throwing down the 'mine is bigger' gauntlett in this post right here:


so come on, tell us exactly what your qualifications are, and as i said before, spare us the 50 pages of BS to get there.

I did spare you. I told you I have a degree and specific concentration in the area of addiction. And, I checked, this thread isn't about me.

So, keep fantasizing about me, but I won't respond to you anymore unless you'd like to switch from me to the topic of the thread.

 

[This_person]

Again, sentence structure is your friend.

How would anyone know what you meant by your post?

This post - read THIS POST HERE, BELOW:

Why do you feel the need to lie and make up stuff in order to try to further your losing argument? Who ever said "So Hitler wasn't bad"? You do understand what attributing quotes mean don't you? It means those are the exact words spoken.

Golly, I don't know who could have said that:

So Hitler wasn't bad?

Oh, it was you...

I understand you are desperately trying to get yourself out of this because you said you would not judge a person who did something wrong because of a mental illness, but then had to back off because you are a hypocrite when Hilter was brought into this. I get it. You made a stupid comment and now are too ignorant to back off of that comment.

I didn't judge Hitler. :shrug:

I stand by what I said. Hitler and Duggar are evil. They did not do the same thing. I don't see in the definition of evil where it gives levels or degrees of evil. Did they teach you that in your psychology school?

Evil is not a psychological concept, it's a moral one.

But, if you don't see varying degrees of evil (even after you said:

I can't think of a worse evil than that.

which, if you'll note, describes you using "worse ... than that" in a description of evil, which strongly implies that there are varying degrees of evil, then you're saying ipso facto that a kid copping a feel incestuously and without consent of another kid AND cheating on one's spouse is an equal evil to killing 11 million people for religious, racist, and other discriminatory reasons, starting a world war, and denying people citizenship based on religious reasons are really the same thing in terms of "level of evil" (since you "don't see in the definition of evil where it gives levels or degrees of evil".)

I get that's your point. I just disagree.

 

[Midnightrider]

I did spare you. I told you I have a degree and specific concentration in the area of addiction. And, I checked, this thread isn't about me.

So, keep fantasizing about me, but I won't respond to you anymore unless you'd like to switch from me to the topic of the thread.

i'd love to see you try to keep that promise/threat

you made this thread about you about 50 pages ago. You decided to be the sole defender of duggar and his family. And now you made a claim you refuse to back up with anything more than vague BS. This is just like the 'i voted democrat' thread.

so what is that degree anyway, and where from? when did you get it, and how does it give you special insight into duggar's condition, if he indeed has one?

 

[Roman]

Omg!

 

[nhboy]

I did spare you. I told you I have a degree and specific concentration in the area of addiction.

So what is it, a master's or a doctorate?

 

[This_person]

So what is it, a master's or a doctorate?

Yes

 

[nhboy]

Yes

No good. You said you have "a" degree, so what is it, a master's or a doctorate?

 

[This_person]

No good. You said you have "a" degree, so what is it, a master's or a doctorate?

Why?