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“Complete And Total Disaster”: YouTuber Drives Electric Ford Truck, Recounts Disastrous Results [VIDEO]



Youtuber Tyler Hoover says in the video, seen below, that “f a truck towing 3,500 pounds can’t even go 100 miles — that is ridiculously stupid. He then highlights the basic argument against EVs. “This truck can’t do normal truck things. You would be stopping every hour to recharge, which would take about 45 minutes a pop, and that is absolutely not practical.”

He says of the exercise: “My plan was to make two trips up today,” he said. “About 32 miles each way, so that’s about 64 times two: 128 miles round trip.”

“I had this thing charged to just over 200 miles when I started my day, so ample margin for error when it comes to range and towing and also considering the fact that the trailer was going up empty two times,” Hoover later added.



Not sure what he did differently, but there is a YouTube channel 'Transport Evolved' that I watched recently. Woman used a Lightning to tow a car carrier with a mid-sized car over the mountains. She made all of her re-charge estimated points at full highway speed. The only problem they encountered was a temporary reduction of power as a result of battery overheating after fast charging.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
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Just imagine all the piles of these junkers when people opt to purchase a whole new car instead of spending 85% of that cost on just a battery.

:roflmao:

That's a lot of crushed cars and lithium batteries piling up.



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Sneakers

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Recycled I hope ... expect a thriving 2ndary market on batter repair for a few 1000 instead of full on replacement
There really isn't wide scale recycling yet for lithium batteries. But when pacs fail, it's usually only a few cells. Repair industry should flourish. Trade-in/swap-out for the cost of a pac repair.
 

DaSDGuy

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There really isn't wide scale recycling yet for lithium batteries. But when pacs fail, it's usually only a few cells. Repair industry should flourish. Trade-in/swap-out for the cost of a pac repair.
It will be interesting to see how long a repaired battery pack is guaranteed.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
It will be interesting to see how long a repaired battery pack is guaranteed.

You mean for the repairs? Or the entire pack? When your engine gets a new oil pump, would they cover you if a piston ring blew?

There really isn't wide scale recycling yet for lithium batteries. But when pacs fail, it's usually only a few cells. Repair industry should flourish. Trade-in/swap-out for the cost of a pac repair.

Redwood has started sending recycled materials to Nevada, but as you note, nothing on scale yet, since the first run of EVs are pretty much all on the road still.

Just imagine all the piles of these junkers when people opt to purchase a whole new car instead of spending 85% of that cost on just a battery.

:roflmao:

That's a lot of crushed cars and lithium batteries piling up.

As noted, you will see a repair industry grow. And modern packs should last longer than most folks would own a car anyway. When you look at how many Tesla packs fail after say the 2013 model year, the numbers are pretty small. And with an 8 year warranty......

Lastly, gonna crush these packs, they will get recycled. That industry's already starting up.
 

DaSDGuy

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You mean for the repairs? Or the entire pack? When your engine gets a new oil pump, would they cover you if a piston ring blew?



Redwood has started sending recycled materials to Nevada, but as you note, nothing on scale yet, since the first run of EVs are pretty much all on the road still.



As noted, you will see a repair industry grow. And modern packs should last longer than most folks would own a car anyway. When you look at how many Tesla packs fail after say the 2013 model year, the numbers are pretty small. And with an 8 year warranty......

Lastly, gonna crush these packs, they will get recycled. That industry's already starting up.
The entire pack and the labor. That's the way they are sold. The guarantee would be for the entire pack and the labor to install it, even though only a portion of it is new. I wasn't aware EV's had oil pumps and/or piston rings. Please ID the make and model of the EV you are referencing that has an oil pump and/or piston rings.
 

glhs837

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The entire pack and the labor. That's the way they are sold. The guarantee would be for the entire pack and the labor to install it, even though only a portion of it is new. I wasn't aware EV's had oil pumps and/or piston rings. Please ID the make and model of the EV you are referencing that has an oil pump and/or piston rings.
One but they still My point was that you can expect repaired battery warranties to be very similar to the warranties you'd get when you have a major part of your internal combustion engine repaired. If somebody pulls your engine and replaces the water pump they don't warranty the rest of the engine. They warranty the work that they did. If you want a warranty on the entire item, you have to go to somebody who provides an entirely manufactured product like a crate engine. If I have a shop replace some piston rings that's different than getting a Jasper remanufactured engine
 

DaSDGuy

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One but they still My point was that you can expect repaired battery warranties to be very similar to the warranties you'd get when you have a major part of your internal combustion engine repaired. If somebody pulls your engine and replaces the water pump they don't warranty the rest of the engine. They warranty the work that they did. If you want a warranty on the entire item, you have to go to somebody who provides an entirely manufactured product like a crate engine. If I have a shop replace some piston rings that's different than getting a Jasper remanufactured engine
True, but if someone pulls the battery out and replaces it the entire battery is under warranty.
 

Sneakers

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True, but if someone pulls the battery out and replaces it the entire battery is under warranty.
That's kind of what I was thinking too. They have already-repaired pacs ready to go, you trade yours in and "buy" a whole pac with a warranty on the whole thing.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
True, but if someone pulls the battery out and replaces it the entire battery is under warranty.
Right, so that's more of a Jasper remanufactured mode. If you take your car in and the local shop repairs your pack then they're not going to warranty the entire pack. Just the repair. That's what I was talking about. And just like engines you'll be faced with the same cost difference.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
That's kind of what I was thinking too. They have already-repaired pacs ready to go, you trade yours in and "buy" a whole pac with a warranty on the whole thing.
I don't know that they're going to have packs on hand. I really think remanufactured packs are going to be very much like remanufactured engines with the same level of need, meaning it just doesn't make economic sense to keep them on hand. Because I think battery pack fire that requires repair a replacement is going to be as rare as an engine failure that requires replacement of the engine
 

Sneakers

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I don't know that they're going to have packs on hand. I really think remanufactured packs are going to be very much like remanufactured engines with the same level of need, meaning it just doesn't make economic sense to keep them on hand. Because I think battery pack fire that requires repair a replacement is going to be as rare as an engine failure that requires replacement of the engine
I didn't mean necessarily having a stock at the repair site, that would be ludicrous for the number of different designs. Much like Jasper, order a reman in a day or two. Semantics.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
I didn't mean necessarily having a stock at the repair site, that would be ludicrous for the number of different designs. Much like Jasper, order a reman in a day or two. Semantics.

Well, in terms of warranty, having AAMCO (I mean after transmissions go away, they'll need a new business) perform a local repair wont bring the same warranty as a full blown reworked Jasper unit might. There will be repairs that can be done on a local level to your pack. Like that stupid plastic piece on the Model S pack. Fixing or replacing one module, perhaps, although if the Tesla structural pack becomes the norm, thats out the window.

AAMCO will warranty the work they did on your module, but if another module blows, tough titties. Whereas someone like Jasper will have gone through every module and weeded out incipient failures, so the whole pack gets it.
 
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