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PeoplesElbow

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That assumes that Tesla is only a luxury brand. Which they have always been presented as based on price point, because people were willing to pay that price. Most folks say that Tesla isn't a luxury brand, based on interior appointments alone. I mean if they can make a compelling car that sells for 25K and make a profit, not sure how that's a bad thing. Clothing isn't a good comparison I don't think, since value on brands is very much more a perception thing for them. Ford sells, or sold, 25K cars and also 75K SUVs. Lots of automakers sell both low and high, then just slap different brand labels on the high end offerings. Maybe Telsa needs to do that, but maybe not.
I'm thinking on valuation, F is valued at around 12x and TSLA is down to about 80x, the growth acceleration supported that. I believe F has way more free cash flow but it's market cap is well below TSLA, that won't last as with any growth stock. Just my opinion on you holding onto a growth stock, any growth stock for that matter.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
I'm a Tesla shareholder, but after renting an EV, I know the market isn’t ready for prime time


Time for meddling politicians to embrace reality and roll back dangerous EV mandates


There I was, sitting in a hotel parking lot with 27 minutes before my speaking engagement in front of 700 people, including 500 CEOs. The digital screen of my electric vehicle blinked the time before a charged battery.

Nearly seven hours.

The sight hit me like a freight train – I was going to miss my talk.

I was scheduled to speak at Liberty University alongside my former boss, Linda McMahon, one of America’s most brilliant female entrepreneurs. But an untruthful Chevy Bolt EV odometer hijacked my plans.
...


I chose a Bolt, a fateful decision as I quickly learned EV odometers’ capricious nature. Slippery creatures, Bolt odometers provide a maximum, average and minimum mileage estimate.

This seemed strange – I’d be horrified if airplanes’ fuel tank metrics were mere possibilities. However, I felt safe because the EV gauge’s average read 223 miles in energy, a cushion of 48 miles. The maximum was 263, minimum 182 – still seven miles above the 175 from my destination.

But after driving less than five miles, the odometer showed an average of 205 miles left, my minimum to 167 – already below the 170 miles I needed to arrive!



 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
To Keep Roads Safe America’s Guardrails Will Need Replaced Under Biden’s EV Mandate



Electric vehicles typically weigh significantly more than gasoline-powered cars and can easily crash through steel highway guardrails that are not designed to withstand the extra force, raising concerns about roadside safety, according to a crash test by the University of Nebraska. Electric vehicles typically weigh 20 percent to 50 percent more than gas-powered vehicles due to their batteries that can weigh almost as much as a small gas-powered car. For example, Ford’s F-150 Lightning EV pickup is 2,000 to 3,000 pounds heavier than the same model’s combustion version. The Mustang Mach E electric SUV and the Volvo XC40 EV are roughly 33 percent heavier than their gasoline counterparts. Besides the weight factor, electric vehicle batteries are typically installed under the vehicle, giving it a low center of gravity. Because of these differences, guardrails do little to stop electric vehicles from pushing through the barriers typically made of steel. Paradoxically, the Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is currently proposing a steep hike in fuel economy standards that will result in forcing two-thirds of new auto sales to be electric by 2032.

The U.S. guardrail system was not made to handle vehicles greater than 5,000 pounds and there are a lot of new vehicles in the 7,000-pound range being manufactured.





 

SamSpade

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You know, to be honest - once I retire - in oh about a half dozen years - I wouldn't mind a hybrid, since I will almost certainly drive a lot less and choose an area where I won't have to drive much.

And I mean, one of those hybrids where it charges AND takes gas - not like my uncle's where it just charges on braking but otherwise drives on gas.

BUT -

They'd have to make them CHEAPER than an ICE car. I mean cheaper.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Anyone else see and appreciate the 2 anti-Tesla autodrive commercials during the Superbowl? Ouch!
Yeah, oddly enough no Telslas out of the 2 million sold have plowed down children. The guy who paid for those commercials is the CEO of a company that provides automotive operating system software, to include ADAS. So he's hardly unbiased. Also note that the NTSB already told that guy that he was not cleared to use their logo.
 

OccamsRazor

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Yeah, oddly enough no Telslas out of the 2 million sold have plowed down children. The guy who paid for those commercials is the CEO of a company that provides automotive operating system software, to include ADAS. So he's hardly unbiased. Also note that the NTSB already told that guy that he was not cleared to use their logo.
Somehow I would have to guess that there is some truth to what was being portrayed in those commercials otherwise, legal minds much better than any here would have shut that down WAY before it made it on to TV. Much less to the largest viewing audience on the planet!
 

PeoplesElbow

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To Keep Roads Safe America’s Guardrails Will Need Replaced Under Biden’s EV Mandate



Electric vehicles typically weigh significantly more than gasoline-powered cars and can easily crash through steel highway guardrails that are not designed to withstand the extra force, raising concerns about roadside safety, according to a crash test by the University of Nebraska. Electric vehicles typically weigh 20 percent to 50 percent more than gas-powered vehicles due to their batteries that can weigh almost as much as a small gas-powered car. For example, Ford’s F-150 Lightning EV pickup is 2,000 to 3,000 pounds heavier than the same model’s combustion version. The Mustang Mach E electric SUV and the Volvo XC40 EV are roughly 33 percent heavier than their gasoline counterparts. Besides the weight factor, electric vehicle batteries are typically installed under the vehicle, giving it a low center of gravity. Because of these differences, guardrails do little to stop electric vehicles from pushing through the barriers typically made of steel. Paradoxically, the Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is currently proposing a steep hike in fuel economy standards that will result in forcing two-thirds of new auto sales to be electric by 2032.

The U.S. guardrail system was not made to handle vehicles greater than 5,000 pounds and there are a lot of new vehicles in the 7,000-pound range being manufactured.





I don't see this as much of an issue, commercial vehicles are much heavier already.
 

phreddyp

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I don't see this as much of an issue, commercial vehicles are much heavier already.
Trucks are mostly higher than guardrails they generally hit the top of them, EVs have a lower center of gravity and will hit them lower where they are designed to be struck, but apparently not with a vehicle over 5000 lbs. So yeah there is a problem.
 

limblips

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
I don't see this as much of an issue, commercial vehicles are much heavier already.
True but it isn't a issue of commercial vs private. It is an issue of sum total if the EV mandate comes to fruition. I believe it will be rescinded or at least pushed out.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Trucks are mostly higher than guardrails they generally hit the top of them, EVs have a lower center of gravity and will hit them lower where they are designed to be struck, but apparently not with a vehicle over 5000 lbs. So yeah there is a problem.
Guard rails are a last resort at keeping the occupant safe. My best friend had a summer job with a state highway commission while in college for civil engineering. his job was to go out with paper maps and along roads to mark where he thought it would be better to hit a guard rail than to go over the hill or hit the side of a mountain.

What is the problem of an EV hitting a guard rail lower than a truck hitting the top of it? A commercial vehicle goes over it while breaking it, an EV might go through it while breaking it, so what? Newer vehicles brake before a collision to help mitigate the impact, I am guessing EVs do the same.
 

phreddyp

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Guard rails are a last resort at keeping the occupant safe. My best friend had a summer job with a state highway commission while in college for civil engineering. his job was to go out with paper maps and along roads to mark where he thought it would be better to hit a guard rail than to go over the hill or hit the side of a mountain.

What is the problem of an EV hitting a guard rail lower than a truck hitting the top of it? A commercial vehicle goes over it while breaking it, an EV might go through it while breaking it, so what? Newer vehicles brake before a collision to help mitigate the impact, I am guessing EVs do the same.
Maybe because guardrails are not designed to stop a truck , if they were they would he both stronger and higher. A truck hits high goes over the guardrail and goes down a ravine or hits something. An EV hits the guardrail goes thru it and goes down a ravine or hits something because it weighs more than the guardrail was designed to stop, Just like the truck.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Maybe because guardrails are not designed to stop a truck , if they were they would he both stronger and higher. A truck hits high goes over the guardrail and goes down a ravine or hits something. An EV hits the guardrail goes thru it and goes down a ravine or hits something because it weighs more than the guardrail was designed to stop, Just like the truck.
If they were designed to stop a commercial truck it would be like hitting the side of a mountain for a passenger car.

How is it any different than Billy Joes lifted jacked etc 3/4 ton?

Ford Excursion had a higher curb weight than a Cyber Truck, the Toyota Sequoia is about the same as the CT also.
So why is this an issue other than having EV attached to it?
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
What if you could drive a car that doesn't require gas and never runs out of battery?

That’s the promise of Aptera, a company that is revolutionizing the electric vehicle (EV) industry.

Aptera has created an EV that harnesses the power of the sun to charge itself, eliminating the need for plugging in and charging stations. This is not just a concept, but a reality. Meet the Aptera, the world’s first solar-powered EV.

The solar-powered EV by the numbers
In January of last year, Aptera revealed its launch edition featuring an ultra-light composite body with 700 watts of solar cells and a drag coefficient of just 0.13. Also, in each wheel there’s a motor that can get up to 60 mph in four seconds flat. It offers 32.5 cubic feet of rear storage. The Aptera can travel up to 1,000 miles on a single charge and is capable of up to 40 miles of solar-powered driving per day.





OK... 1. Never needs to plug in.

2. 1000 mile Range

3. Solar gives it 40 miles of driving per day.

Back to 1... Never? :scratcheshead: Not sure that math works right.
 

Salmon

Well-Known Member
Many states are passing laws that will outlaw fossil fuel vehicles by 2035. You all better embrace EV’s. It is our future.
 

phreddyp

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If they were designed to stop a commercial truck it would be like hitting the side of a mountain for a passenger car.

How is it any different than Billy Joes lifted jacked etc 3/4 ton?

Ford Excursion had a higher curb weight than a Cyber Truck, the Toyota Sequoia is about the same as the CT also.
So why is this an issue other than having EV attached to it?
Its not, they are stating that EVs are heavier than most conventional vehicles, physics is physics the laws don't change just because you don't understand it.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Its not, they are stating that EVs are heavier than most conventional vehicles, physics is physics the laws don't change just because you don't understand it.
I understand the physics perfectly, I am asking you why does it matter with EVs when it apparently didn't matter with those other vehicles?

The increased weight of the mainstream EV's isn't that much more, model Y is lighter than a Ford Explorer, which is a very popular vehicle.
 

Salmon

Well-Known Member
That will get walked back, simply isn't realistic. They are part of our future.
I personally think they should speed it up. I support Governor Moore on principle, but we don’t have 11 more years.

 
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