Electric Car News

PeoplesElbow

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Only thing compelling about this is the utter stupidity that this brings to the forefront! I'm pretty certain that Polly has already purchased stock in this joke.
A couple MPG increase for these guys would be huge, an electric assist when pulling a hill would do a lot as well as being able to recapture that energy on the downhill side could save hundreds of dollars per day for them.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Not only is it going to cut into the maximum weight of the vehicle, but it looks like it’ll chop a bit off the overall length and require a shorter trailer.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
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phreddyp

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A couple MPG increase for these guys would be huge, an electric assist when pulling a hill would do a lot as well as being able to recapture that energy on the downhill side could save hundreds of dollars per day for them.
Got that part, however adding that many tons to a semi rig I doubt will.make much difference in fuel economy when you figure in starting investment and maintenence cost not to mention changeouts of the system.

Then you still have to operate A/C system compressor and brake system, do you run the diesel engine for these critical systems or are they incorporated in the add on.

Then you have the total length of the rig I believe there is a maximum length you are allowed, does this mean you cannot pull a double trailer?
Basically you are adding another drive train to the rig since it incorporates a battery, motor and transmission.
Sounds like a bullshit system to me!
 

phreddyp

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But it may have some advantages that I don't see !
Time will tell, maybe they will work better than the EV busses and cars.
I doubt it though.
 

glhs837

Power with Control

Here's the thing. EVs can be and are operated by idiots in some cases. Just like any other vehicle known to man. Tracking this back, appears this guy was heading to a campground in a different western state. Seems there was a charger nearby the campgound, but when questioned the driver said he had the generator for insurance.
 

phreddyp

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Here's the thing. EVs can be and are operated by idiots in some cases. Just like any other vehicle known to man. Tracking this back, appears this guy was heading to a campground in a different western state. Seems there was a charger nearby the campgound, but when questioned the driver said he had the generator for insurance.
So he is smarter than the average EV owner, less of a moron is STILL a moron !
 

glhs837

Power with Control
More and more writers support the point I've been trying to to make all along. https://www.npr.org/2024/02/07/1227707306/ev-electric-vehicles-sales-2024
Yep, growth will be slower this year than growth in previous years but there will still be growth. And the $25,000 car, whoever gets to it first will be the one to lead the charge into that next wave.

Market share went from 5.9% to 7.6% between 2022 and 2023. So maybe this year would only grows 1.5%. We'll see if Tesla gets that 25,000 car out the door in 2025. If they can pull the same feature set as a base model. 3. With 250 to 300 miles of range for 25k and interior size, maybe 10% less than a model. 3. They won't be able to make them fast enough.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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Report Examines BYD’s Failed Electric Bus Rollout in Albuquerque



The dream turned into a nightmare.

The problems were evident from the moment the first BYD buses arrived in the Duke City in 2017. The vehicles didn’t meet their promised battery charge, which meant they couldn’t manage a full day’s service. There were numerous durability and safety issues, including doors opening unexpectedly, malfunctioning brakes, faulty electric wiring, exposed wires, and overheating batteries.

On top of everything else, the charging system for the batteries was defective, and some buses simply could not be charged. Officials canceled the project within months, and the city ended up suing BYD.

We’ve written quite a lot about BYD in this space over the past several months, mostly focusing on the litany of economic and national security concerns raised by allowing a company with direct ties to the Chinese state apparatus to use U.S. taxpayer money to build electric buses for cities and other jurisdictions.

But a new report from the U.S. PIRG Education Fund, Environment America, and Frontier Group looks at BYD from a different lens, examining the real-world quality control issues that came from its disastrous rollout in Albuquerque.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Electric Vehicles Are Less Reliable Than Conventional Cars



Electric vehicle owners continue to report far more problems with their vehicles than owners of conventional cars or hybrids, according to Consumer Reports’ newly released annual car reliability survey. The survey reveals that, on average, EVs from the past three model years had 79 percent more problems than conventional cars. Based on owner responses on more than 330,000 vehicles, the survey covers 20 potential problem areas, including engine, transmission, electric motors, leaks, and infotainment systems.

“Most electric cars today are being manufactured by either legacy automakers that are new to EV technology, or by companies like Rivian that are new to making cars,” says Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports. “It’s not surprising that they’re having growing pains and need some time to work out the bugs.” Fisher says some of the most common problems EV owners report are issues with electric drive motors, charging, and EV batteries. (Note: Charging problems reported by members are with the vehicle, not with home or public chargers.)



electrified powertrains problem rate comparison
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Minnesota Cities Went All-In for Electric Transit, But the Buses Couldn’t Handle the Cold


Virtue-signaling liberalism is fighting another losing battle with reality.

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The most significant aspect of this story, however -- or at least the one that makes it relevant to readers outside of Minnesota -- involves the perennial unholy alliance between government and business.

In 2021, Metro Transit received a federal grant to purchase a fleet of electric buses from the California-based manufacturer Proterra. Duluth received a similar grant in 2015.

Earlier this year, Proterra filed for bankruptcy despite a public endorsement from President Joe Biden as recently as March 2022.

[yeah the Sec or Energy was ON THE BOARD OF PROTERRA before Biden Hired Her]

Now, in addition to malfunctioning or inadequate buses, the Minnesota cities have no immediate vendor.

If this story sounds familiar, it is because affluent Teton County, Wyoming, had a similar experience with Proterra. That cold-weather county's entire electric bus fleet failed, resulting in continued reliance on its diesel fleet.

Of course, Teton County's per-household wealth ranks first in the nation. Predictably, Biden won Teton County by nearly 40 points in the 2020 election.

Biden also received Minnesota's 10 electoral votes, winning both Hennepin and St. Louis counties, home to the Twin Cities and Duluth, respectively.

In sum, urban Minnesotans support Democrats, so it stands to reason that they would invest in electric buses.


Furthermore, it makes no difference that the buses often fail to run properly and do not suit riders' needs. Electric vehicles have nothing to do with the people who ride in them.

After all, affluent liberals -- backed by grant-issuing government busybodies -- have a planet to save. They might suffer mildly troubled consciences, for instance, over child labor and other mining practices used to procure cobalt for EV batteries in central Africa's Democratic Republic of Congo, but they have good intentions.

And good intentions shield liberals against all reality, including frigid winter temperatures.






 

phreddyp

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Yep, growth will be slower this year than growth in previous years but there will still be growth. And the $25,000 car, whoever gets to it first will be the one to lead the charge into that next wave.

Market share went from 5.9% to 7.6% between 2022 and 2023. So maybe this year would only grows 1.5%. We'll see if Tesla gets that 25,000 car out the door in 2025. If they can pull the same feature set as a base model. 3. With 250 to 300 miles of range for 25k and interior size, maybe 10% less than a model. 3. They won't be able to make them fast enough.
LOL nuff said!
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
Yep, growth will be slower this year than growth in previous years but there will still be growth. And the $25,000 car, whoever gets to it first will be the one to lead the charge into that next wave.

Market share went from 5.9% to 7.6% between 2022 and 2023. So maybe this year would only grows 1.5%. We'll see if Tesla gets that 25,000 car out the door in 2025. If they can pull the same feature set as a base model. 3. With 250 to 300 miles of range for 25k and interior size, maybe 10% less than a model. 3. They won't be able to make them fast enough.
That is the death knell for a stock, it is FUBU clothes showing up in Walmart.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
That is the death knell for a stock, it is FUBU clothes showing up in Walmart.

That assumes that Tesla is only a luxury brand. Which they have always been presented as based on price point, because people were willing to pay that price. Most folks say that Tesla isn't a luxury brand, based on interior appointments alone. I mean if they can make a compelling car that sells for 25K and make a profit, not sure how that's a bad thing. Clothing isn't a good comparison I don't think, since value on brands is very much more a perception thing for them. Ford sells, or sold, 25K cars and also 75K SUVs. Lots of automakers sell both low and high, then just slap different brand labels on the high end offerings. Maybe Telsa needs to do that, but maybe not.
 
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