Folks are realizing that these (not ready for prime-time machines) are NOT worth it. You can lead a JACKASS to water.Usually chargers like that are free to use for anyone, paid for by the govt. Of course, they are level 2 chargers so unless you are there all day, you're not getting much. But the County got a green press release..
Govt needs to stay out of this and let the market do its thing. Sink or swim.
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SamSpade
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Far more used vehicles are bought in any year, than new.
Doesn't change the problem with the cost of new vehicles - I don't know how they manage.
Me, I'm with buying good used vehicles from here on out.
glhs837
Power with Control
You seem to be confusing a slowing in growth with a reversal. Do you also believe on a government program takes a cut they're actually spending less money?
OccamsRazor
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Problem is, the prices in this market are going WAY up as well.
Slowing of growth is a normal part of the process, my guess is folks are moving towards hybrids. EV's have been overhyped and people are seeing the consequences of their neighbors being conned. Well at least those of us who pay attention. You know kind of like being conned over Covid for two years and now the truth is coming out.
glhs837
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Pretty interesting video from some guy of one of the Tesla Semis running the route from Sparks Nevada to Fremont or Lathrop. Sparks is where they produce motors and batteries and packs, so the odds are pretty good this truck is hauling at a total rig and cargo weight of 88,000lbs as thats the max for EV trucks. Driver is right out of Central Casting 
Thing just flies by the diesels. The post was corrected to the slope, max is 6% grade.
Thing just flies by the diesels. The post was corrected to the slope, max is 6% grade. 
Pretty interesting video from some guy of one of the Tesla Semis running the route from Sparks Nevada to Fremont or Lathrop. Sparks is where they produce motors and batteries and packs, so the odds are pretty good this truck is hauling at a total rig and cargo weight of 88,000lbs as thats the max for EV trucks. Driver is right out of Central Casting
Please stop drinking the Kool-Aid!
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
www.nytimes.com
A Rivian owner was in a fender bender. The repair bill was $42,000.
Why Car Repairs Have Become So Expensive (Published 2023)
More technology and creature comforts, as well as a parade of new electric vehicles, have complicated the job after accidents.
A Rivian owner was in a fender bender. The repair bill was $42,000.
glhs837
Power with Control
Yeah seems when you design a vehicle with one very long panel that goes from behind the rear wheel to up and over the front windows, and require 90% of the vehicle to be disassembled to replace it, it costs a bunch.For your consideration ...
Why Car Repairs Have Become So Expensive (Published 2023)
More technology and creature comforts, as well as a parade of new electric vehicles, have complicated the job after accidents.
A Rivian owner was in a fender bender. The repair bill was $42,000.
Here's the detailed article explaining why. Not saying it's a good idea to design this way, and Rivian is young and maybe didn't think this through.
Here’s Why That Rivian R1T Repair Cost $42,000 After Just A Minor Fender-Bender - The Autopian
Last week, a pretty common and minor-looking fender-bender ended up going viral on the Rivian Owners’ Forum. The wreck, a relatively low-speed rear-end collision involving a Lexus RX330 bumping an electric Rivian R1T’s passenger side rear corner, resulted in what looked like minor damage. A bent...
www.theautopian.com
glhs837
Power with Control
Think I found Fords problem. There are 77 Lightnings within 100 miles of us.
Out of those 77, only 9 are under 75K.
Crank that max price to 85K, you still have only 21 hits. Meaning that 56 of the available trucks are over 85K
This might be why they have a lot of unsold inventory.
Mach-E? over 100 matches in 100 miles.
And more than 100 of those run over 70K. Hard to make that sales case.
Shows 39 between 40 and 50K. Which is really the sweet spot right now for a five seat CUV. And no tax credit since they are built in Mexico.
Out of those 77, only 9 are under 75K.
Crank that max price to 85K, you still have only 21 hits. Meaning that 56 of the available trucks are over 85K
This might be why they have a lot of unsold inventory.
Mach-E? over 100 matches in 100 miles.
And more than 100 of those run over 70K. Hard to make that sales case.
Shows 39 between 40 and 50K. Which is really the sweet spot right now for a five seat CUV. And no tax credit since they are built in Mexico.
Don't worry they will sell, there's a sucker born every minute!
glhs837
Power with Control
Oh, I'm not worried, I think Ford has bungled it a bit. No skin off my nose if they don't sell them. I don't think they will sell them until they offer discounts. I think they outpriced the market.
EVs Are Piling Up on Dealer Lots as Supply Outpaces Demand
Automakers are building new electric cars faster than consumers are buying them, leading to an excess supply on dealer lots across the U.S.
www.thedrive.com
They are charging.Now, now… They’re not piling up.
Potential customers, or just letting “anticipation build!”
glhs837
Power with Control
Looks like Ford agreed with me.
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Ford slashes prices of F-150 Lightning trucks as EV wars heat up
Ford deepened a price war in the electric-vehicle industry on Monday by slashing the prices of its F-150 Lightning trucks, including a 17% cut for the base model, as it aims to boost its share of an EV market dominated by Tesla .
Maybe you could buy two and help them out of a jam.Looks like Ford agreed with me.
Ford slashes prices of F-150 Lightning trucks as EV wars heat up
Ford deepened a price war in the electric-vehicle industry on Monday by slashing the prices of its F-150 Lightning trucks, including a 17% cut for the base model, as it aims to boost its share of an EV market dominated by Tesla .www.reuters.com
Different color for each day of the week.
glhs837
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Nope. Want a truck that meets my specifications. Which the Ford doesn't do. For instance, not having a painted finish I need to ever worry about. They won't be selling ones with native access to the Tesla charging network until 2025. Not to mention towing and payload specifications which I fully expect Tesla to beat while meeting or beating the price that Ford sells them for