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So in this situation it seems an outward swinging door is even better for protecting the cops once they force it open. You are not forcing yourself into a room that you don't know what is behind the door but instead can use the door as a barrier to then get a peek into the room. Am I looking at this correctly? So tell me again why it took 19 officers an hour to gain entry?
 
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TPD said:
So in this situation it seems an outward swinging door is even better for protecting the cops once they force it open. You are not forcing yourself into a room that you don't know what is behind the door but instead can use the door as a barrier to then get a peek into the room. Am I looking at this correctly? So tell me again why it took 19 officers an hour to gain entry?
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Don't think that door will protect against a rifle, the sucker that has to pry the halligan would be stuck in direct fire if nut just fired at noises. Without seeing the door, hinges may have been the way to go since it be interior and a classroom, they're probably not reenforced.
 
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black dog said:
One would think, who in the school has all the master door keys????
Oh yea the custodians and the principal... 6 seconds tops. Go forth ladies and find one of them.
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or place them in a Knox Box but that would also require them to be kept current.
 
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or place them in a Knox Box but that would also require them to be kept current.
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Building management have never been able to keep elevator fire service and elevator door keys in those lock boxes in the buildings lobby that have been around for 40+ years now.
 
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black dog said:
Building management have never been able to keep elevator fire service and elevator door keys in those lock boxes in the buildings lobby that have been around for 40+ years now.
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Don't need to, most elevator keys are standardized so fire carries a set. The knox box is locked and only emergency services have the key.
 
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Don't need to, most elevator keys are standardized so fire carries a set. The knox box is locked and only emergency services have the key.
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Yea, a few decades plus in the field with Houghton and then Otis and I know nothing about elevator door keys and the boxes we mounted on the wall outside of the main landing elevator doors and or in a outdoor lock box. Just like Gilligan lnows nothing about owning a restaurant/bar or running a business.
Its all nothing new.
Fire Service keys are standard in the USA,
the last 140 years of elevator door keys, not so much.
I never stayed in a Holiday Inn but I did earn a Journeymenship along with a pretty good Union Elevator Penison....
 
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Hijinx said:
This guy has the right idea. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/0...re-going-to-shoot-you-graveyard-dead-1243918/
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It sounds like he believes the shooters will be adults, and addressing them like adults. What will he do if the shooter is a child themselves?

“The children are worth it,” Judd said in 2018 after a state law was passed in the Sunshine State to fund well-trained school resource officer. “We’re going to do everything we can to protect the children.”
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Hijinx said:
From what I have read the doors were steel and designed to keep out shooters.
This one got in before the teacher could shut the door.
They got the key from the principal, but why they waited all that time to get it is the $50 dollar question.

This guy has the right idea. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/0...re-going-to-shoot-you-graveyard-dead-1243918/
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The teacher didn't close the door after seeing the kid with the gun. She went inside to call 911 but didn't think to close the door.
 
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black dog said:
Yea, a few decades plus in the field with Houghton and then Otis and I know nothing about elevator door keys and the boxes we mounted on the wall outside of the main landing elevator doors and or in a outdoor lock box. Just like Gilligan lnows nothing about owning a restaurant/bar or running a business.
Its all nothing new.
Fire Service keys are standard in the USA,
the last 140 years of elevator door keys, not so much.
I never stayed in a Holiday Inn but I did earn a Journeymenship along with a pretty good Union Elevator Penison....
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Yep various door keys, that's why we carried them on the engine. The needed keys in the lock box is only as good the building owner contacting the local fire/PD to keep current since they don't have a key.
 
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Yep various door keys, that's why we carried them on the engine. The needed keys in the lock box is only as good the building owner contacting the local fire/PD to keep current since they don't have a key.
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Ohhh. Fireman....
I saw many more elevator hallway and car doors pried open and destroyed from fireman that had no clue how to open those doors when they had the correct key.
Some things should be left to the professionals that work in that trade. Its safer for everyone.
 
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black dog said:
Ohhh. Fireman....
I saw many more elevator hallway and car doors pried open and destroyed from fireman that had no clue how to open those doors when they had the correct key.
Some things should be left to the professionals that work in that trade. Its safer for everyone.
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Yep comes down to training and preplanning. Understanding the problem and understanding if you can contribute to an outcome. Use to wait for maintenance but if they are two hours away and an occupant has medical problem, did I say we carried keys, sometime there's a set in the elevator room. Dangerous to screw with elevators.
 
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Yep comes down to training and preplanning. Understanding the problem and understanding if you can contribute to an outcome. Use to wait for maintenance but if they are two hours away and an occupant has medical problem, did I say we carried keys, sometime there's a set in the elevator room. Dangerous to screw with elevators.
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Years ago I got detailed to be in Charge of the Fire House at St. Elizabeth's one day.
You want to talk about keys.
 
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