glhs837
Power with Control
Indeed. And virtually no locked door can stop two determined men with tools you can grab from the nearest Lowes or Home Depot.
Elementary Schools Not Safe
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Indeed. And virtually no locked door can stop two determined men with tools you can grab from the nearest Lowes or Home Depot.
LightRoasted
If I may ...
If I may ...
This is the appropriate door breaching devise ....
benellidefense.it
That is an inappropriate use of a post hole digging bar, and is awful heavy to be lugging around.
This is the appropriate door breaching devise ....
M3 14" + DOOR-BREACHER
M3 is a dual mode (semiautomatic and pump action): M3 is one of the best possible choice for any operational or defense requirement. This is thanks to its flexible use (lethal and less than lethal ammos), easy handling, precision and high firing volume. Two different operating mechanisms have...
black dog
Free America
Fun stuff, mine has been at Moyock and now Ft Bliss the last four weeks for admin, training and medical before deployment.
They are on a plane tomorrow afternoon.
He wouldn't be home for a year.
glhs837
Power with Control
Well, small town cops probably don't have one of those laying around The digging pole is indeed 16 lb, but you can find them in any hardware storeIf I may ...
That is an inappropriate use of a post hole digging bar, and is awful heavy to be lugging around.
This is the appropriate door breaching devise ....
M3 14" + DOOR-BREACHER
M3 is a dual mode (semiautomatic and pump action): M3 is one of the best possible choice for any operational or defense requirement. This is thanks to its flexible use (lethal and less than lethal ammos), easy handling, precision and high firing volume. Two different operating mechanisms have...
‘They Could’ve Been Shot’: Texas Cop Explains Why Police Waited To Enter Uvalde School
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are actually on site?” Blitzer asked.
“Correct,” Olivares agreed, but then he went on to explain why the officers at the scene had chosen to take a different approach. “The active shooter situation, you want to stop the killing, you want to preserve life, but also one thing that – of course, the American people need to understand — that officers are making entry into this building. They do not know where the gunman is.”
“They are hearing gunshots. They are receiving gunshots,” Olivares continued. “At that point, if they proceeded any further not knowing where the suspect was at, they could’ve been shot, they could’ve been killed, and that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school.”
Hero cop rushed to Texas massacre school from barber's with shotgun to rescue 20 kids including his daughter, eight, after wife who teaches there texted him saying: 'There's an active shooter. Help'
- Jacob Albarado, a border patrol agent, was off work on Tuesday and was at the barber's when he got a text from his wife Trisha Albarado saying: 'Help'
- Trisha, mother to their three children - sons Zachary and Jordan, and daughter Jayda, teaches fourth grade maths and science at Robb Elementary School
- Albarado leapt up from the barber's, grabbed the barber's shotgun, and drove straight to the school, where eight-year-old Jayda and her mother were inside
- A tactical team was already readying to take the room where the gunman was barricaded, so Albarado began searching for his daughter and clearing rooms
- Two officers provided cover, guns drawn, he said, and two others guided the children out on the sidewalk
- Albarado's friend was the heroic CBP agent who entered the classroom where Salvador Ramos, 18, was holed up and shot him dead
Depending on the breaching team's situational awareness. Would it be appropriate if the barrier to be breached was immediately backed by hostages? I think not. If it is known that there is only the suspect behind the barrier it could be the best option, but that wasn't the situation they were up against.If I may ...
That is an inappropriate use of a post hole digging bar, and is awful heavy to be lugging around.
This is the appropriate door breaching devise ....
M3 14" + DOOR-BREACHER
M3 is a dual mode (semiautomatic and pump action): M3 is one of the best possible choice for any operational or defense requirement. This is thanks to its flexible use (lethal and less than lethal ammos), easy handling, precision and high firing volume. Two different operating mechanisms have...
As an aside, has anyone else seen/heard/read where the husband of one of the victim teachers passed of a heart attack yesterday?
glhs837
Power with Control
That's the thing with active shooters. There are no hostages, only victims. No demands were placed.
Well as far as I know there were no communications with the shooter, so they might have been hostages. Regardless of the semantics, the situational awareness was such that the breaching tool in question might not have been appropriate.
Bare-ya-cuda
Well-Known Member
That’s the issue. What the government does that infringes on our rights will not stop these events from happening.
glhs837
Power with Control
I agree an explosive breaching tool would be constrained. I advocated for a brute mechanical breach.
glhs837
Power with Control
Oh, I get it, but the going in position was that he had "hostages" stacked against the door.
So, unless I've missed something last ten years, the golden rule is that once shots have been fired you leave hostage rules and enter active shooter. And this guy came in shooting. If there have been cases of hostage taking in schools, I've missed them.
No, reread it. It wasn't a position about going in, it was about the use of that specific tool would be appropriate if "persons not hostile" had been used as a shield.
You really seem hung up on the word "hostage" and it seems that your use is predicated on whether or not demands were made. An equally valid definition for hostage is "one that is involuntarily controlled by an outside influence", which the teachers and students were.
glhs837
Power with Control
"Hostages" can be freed by meeting demands. Dictionary definition is well and fine, but assuming you have a hostage situation when every indicator says you don't means innocents are being slaughtered. There was nothing to indicate a hostage situation.
Hostages can be freed by subduing those doing the holding to right?. And no assumption on my part was made, what I said, again, is would that specific breaching tool be appropriate should there be innocent people directly behind the door. Nothing more!!!!!!!!!