Facebook Ban (24 hours)

[vraiblonde]

assuming my understanding is correct, the. I’m not sure what the big deal is. someone sets up a fb business page, fb cancels or restricts access to that page because they don’t like the user’s politics, and then the user says “eff it. I’ll just set up a more traditional site for my business.”

Clearly you're not a business owner. Or a person who thinks before they speak.

When a business establishes a web presence, everything gets linked to it. All the search engines, various community entities, their other advertising, that's where their customers are used to going to find specials or communicate with them. When that gets abruptly deleted, you can't just go, oh well, I'll set up a whole new web presence and I'm sure everything will automatically link to it and my customers will know that I haven't closed up shop because my page is now gone.

So yeah, that's the big deal and it was painful to have to spell that out to you.

 

[HGMilstead]

Clearly you're not a business owner. Or a person who thinks before they speak.

When a business establishes a web presence, everything gets linked to it. All the search engines, various community entities, their other advertising, that's where their customers are used to going to find specials or communicate with them. When that gets abruptly deleted, you can't just go, oh well, I'll set up a whole new web presence and I'm sure everything will automatically link to it and my customers will know that I haven't closed up shop because my page is now gone.

So yeah, that's the big deal and it was painful to have to spell that out to you.

yeah, everything you said I was aware of; I was just wanting to make certain that fb itself didn’t get to in any real way own the business.

new websites for some small businesses with which I was involved (just two, to be clear, and both were very very small) were disruptive in and of themselves when changing addresses. the two times we changed websites / how you accessed us online we shelled out some money to have Google search results point to the new site.

anyways, sorry to have caused you any pain or annoyance. I did not mean to do so with a genuine question, and I am happy to avoid contact in the future to spare us any frustration.

 

[vraiblonde]

I am happy to avoid contact in the future to spare us any frustration.

Do you promise?

 

[HGMilstead]

Do you promise?

sure thing. sorry to be a bother.

ETA a receipt:

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Clearly you're not a business owner. Or a person who thinks before they speak.

When a business establishes a web presence, everything gets linked to it. All the search engines, various community entities, their other advertising, that's where their customers are used to going to find specials or communicate with them. When that gets abruptly deleted, you can't just go, oh well, I'll set up a whole new web presence and I'm sure everything will automatically link to it and my customers will know that I haven't closed up shop because my page is now gone.

So yeah, that's the big deal and it was painful to have to spell that out to you.

Basically they exploited people's lazyness and lack of website knowledge.

It's pretty easy and cheap to start a domain with GoDaddy and use that as your front door.

 

[HGMilstead]

Basically they exploited people's lazyness and lack of website knowledge.

It's pretty easy and cheap to start a domain with GoDaddy and use that as your front door.

that was my impression and experience, too. it’s 100% true, too, that using a platform like fb can be a helpful way to drive traffic. an abrupt disruption to that would cause problems. more useful (again in my experience) are google results. a disruption to ones fb presence can (and should) be offset by getting good Google results.

anyways, glad to know that fb business pages don’t (yet?) include punitive terms of service that cause the business owner to in any way surrender portions of their business.

 

[spr1975wshs]

Basically they exploited people's lazyness and lack of website knowledge.

It's pretty easy and cheap to start a domain with GoDaddy and use that as your front door.

I used Yahoo Small Business.

 

[vraiblonde]

Basically they exploited people's lazyness and lack of website knowledge.

It's pretty easy and cheap to start a domain with GoDaddy and use that as your front door.

Yep. What you're supposed to do is have your own website that you control, then use social media as a supplement to communicate with customers in real time and promote yourself. But FB knows human nature - they have throngs of marketing people who do nothing but exploit it. Then I was the bad guy for suggesting they pay for something they can get for "free".

I had to get to the point that it wasn't my problem so it wouldn't drive me crazy.

 

[GURPS]

Or a person who thinks before they speak.

you could have just started and stopped with this

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Yep. What you're supposed to do is have your own website that you control, then use social media as a supplement to communicate with customers in real time and promote yourself. But FB knows human nature - they have throngs of marketing people who do nothing but exploit it. Then I was the bad guy for suggesting they pay for something they can get for "free".

I had to get to the point that it wasn't my problem so it wouldn't drive me crazy.

Back in the mid 90s my friend and I started an under the radar custom PC building 'buisness'. We made a geocities site and put fliers up in the student union. The only PCs we made were for friends, out thought was we could always have the latest for ourselves while making a couple bucks. Since we had no inventory and worked out of our apartments we only lost a few dollars, we got zero web exposure though.

 

[SamSpade]

It's not because I am a shrinking violet! It's because my job revolves around customer service and we all know how stupid people can act if you disagree with them. I do not own the business I work for, so I am not going to jeopardize their livelihood just to have the last word in politics.

My brother's a teacher - and he's lost some of his teaching responsibilities - permanently in the entire school district - and is lucky to keep his job - because of mentioning his political views online and IIRC, they weren't particularly egregious ones. Just enough to make someone COMPLAIN that their kid's AP teacher was saying it online. He hasn't been on Facebook in several years.

Yeah. It's one thing to be brave, it's another when a school can take away your job - which he did get to keep in a reduced capacity - that you've had for 35 years.

I don't know how it's going to happen - but we have to get the old country back again, where people could speak their mind and not lose their job over it. This rarely happened before the days of social media.

 

[black dog]

anyways, sorry to have caused you any pain or annoyance. I did not mean to do so with a genuine question, and I am happy to avoid contact in the future to spare us any frustration.

Just like another one here, Hotel California.

 

[PrchJrkr]

My brother's a teacher - and he's lost some of his teaching responsibilities - permanently in the entire school district - and is lucky to keep his job - because of mentioning his political views online and IIRC, they weren't particularly egregious ones. Just enough to make someone COMPLAIN that their kid's AP teacher was saying it online. He hasn't been on Facebook in several years.

Yeah. It's one thing to be brave, it's another when a school can take away your job - which he did get to keep in a reduced capacity - that you've had for 35 years.

I don't know how it's going to happen - but we have to get the old country back again, where people could speak their mind and not lose their job over it. This rarely happened before the days of social media.

I feel for your brother. I always worked DoD and held a clearance, so my online presence was small and non-political due to background checks. There is a BIG difference between having a certain political leaning and proselytizing for the party, and people didn't/don't seem to get that. Now, if you land on the radar of some wack-a-do, they go mining for information and go after your livelihood. This crap has gotten unreal, but people still don't see the correlation and keep right on posting political bullshit on their FB. Some only believe in free speech if it agrees with their philosophy. This is the same reason that I wouldn't support my choice for president with a yard sign. The world is full of these crazies and you never know it until it's too late.

 

[SamSpade]

I feel for your brother.

It can be a bit of a nuisance, really. We all live far apart and he lives the furthest away - Facebook used to be the EASIEST way to get hold of him in a pinch or even to wish him Happy Birthday. Now we do it through his wife's page (because she almost never posts at all) but we all still have to be on guard for disclosing that it is to our brother.

Now I often say that my brother is a bit of an ass and a know it all, takes things personally and blows up rather easily - but I can't dispute that he is one hell of a teacher. His record - until recently - totally speaks for itself, where every one of his AP classes broke all previous records. He's very good at his job.

 

[gemma_rae]

This is my mantra for peeps that make provocative posts and then want to friend me on FB: "I may have a right to free speech, but I do not have a right to employment".

My employer says they have a right to monitor social media, and I have no doubt they do.

 

[BernieP]

This is my mantra for peeps that make provocative posts and then want to friend me on FB: "I may have a right to free speech, but I do not have a right to employment".

My employer says they have a right to monitor social media, and I have no doubt they do.

But as pointed out, "Offense" is in the eye of the beholder and something as silly as a Bad Dad Joke can set off a Karen.
Humor seems to have been drained from a certain segment of society, where as I am a sarcastic SOB.
Who doesn't get particularly upset with crap people put on line. I find it easy to ignore.
I just remind myself, opinions are like azzholes, every body has one.

 

[RoseRed]

This is my mantra for peeps that make provocative posts and then want to friend me on FB: "I may have a right to free speech, but I do not have a right to employment".

My employer says they have a right to monitor social media, and I have no doubt they do.

Silly question time: If your employer isn't on your friends list and you keep your stuff locked down to friends only, how can they monitor it?

 

[gemma_rae]

Silly question time: If your employer isn't on your friends list and you keep your stuff locked down to friends only, how can they monitor it?

Oh, I don't lock it down.

I prefer to not have friends on FB. I watch cat videos and interact with people in groups. I tell anyone who may want to contact me to send a PM and I'll call them.

I must be the weirdest person on Earth because I still write cards and letters, and send them snail mail.

 

[RoseRed]

Oh, I don't lock it down.

I prefer to not have friends on FB. I watch cat videos and interact with people in groups. I tell anyone who may want to contact me to send a PM and I'll call them.

I must be the weirdest person on Earth because I still write cards and letters, and send them snail mail.

I keep my circle small. Not thousands of people. Who really has that many friends IRL.

 

[gemma_rae]

I keep my circle small. Not thousands of people. Who really has that many friends IRL.

Ah-xactly. If I'm a friend I'll call ya. I do work for a phone factory after all.