False Prophets

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
migtig said:
2A - as for anything factual - research this using independent - not religiously based - resources.
Mig ... you know me. Do I get my facts straight? Huh? Do I?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
pixiegirl said:
Not a question of when but of who and under what circumstances.
Like I posted, you and I went back and forth on this before. Facts did not change since the last time.
 

migtig

aka Mrs. Giant
2ndAmendment said:
Mig ... you know me. Do I get my facts straight? Huh? Do I?
2A - when it comes to literal biblical - you do - however, not always are religious sources the sole source of info.
Pope Damsus or Damasus or whatever compiled the bible more than 3 centuries after the death of Christ. That was the bible until Martin Luther came along with his Christian reform movement and he struck out even more text from the bible.

So what I am saying is there are a lot more texts and documents that concern Jesus, his teachings, and his apostles, that were originally taught and shared until a man (regardless of how you spell his name - he was just a man) came along 300+ years later with power and authority and changed things. I would think, that you of all people would desire to learn more and would be interested in reading all the texts available. And a lot of the documents have been translated from armenic by language scholars and are available for public consumption.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
migtig said:
2A - when it comes to literal biblical - you do - however, not always are religious sources the sole source of info.
Pope Damsus or Damasus or whatever compiled the bible more than 3 centuries after the death of Christ. That was the bible until Martin Luther came along with his Christian reform movement and he struck out even more text from the bible.

So what I am saying is there are a lot more texts and documents that concern Jesus, his teachings, and his apostles, that were originally taught and shared until a man (regardless of how you spell his name - he was just a man) came along 300+ years later with power and authority and changed things. I would think, that you of all people would desire to learn more and would be interested in reading all the texts available. And a lot of the documents have been translated from armenic by language scholars and are available for public consumption.
Did you look at the Biblical time line? If you did you would see that the books of the Old Testament were complete 500 years before Christ and that all the manuscripts that comprise the 27 books of the New Testament were completed and accepted by the early church by the year 100 A.D.

Pope Damasus I commissioned Jerome to put together a Bible that contained the Apocryphal books that were written between 500 B.C. and 200 B.C. Jerome wrote that he did not agree that the Apocryphal books should be part of the Bible but did put them in at the insistence of Damasus. That was in 390 A.D. Only seven years later, a counsel was held that took the Apocryphal books out of the Bible.

Martin Luther was not born until 1483.

Yes, I know there are documents that are available for people to read that are from the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. All of the texts of the original documents from the first century prove that the Bible translations we have today are accurate.
 

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
2ndAmendment said:
All of the texts of the original documents from the first century prove that the Bible translations we have today are accurate.
Translations that man transcribed. When man was "inspired" to write such, the words were written without error, not because God told them what to write.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Chasey_Lane said:
Translations that man transcribed. When man was "inspired" to write such, the words were written without error, not because God told them what to write.
And that is one of the areas we disagree. The Bible is the inspired word of God; authored by God and scribed by men.
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
2ndAmendment said:
The Gospel of Thomas is not part of the Bible.
That's called editing. It's still a gospel, just like all the other gospels. Just because "Loving You" wasn't on the greatest hits album doesn't mean it's not an Elvis song.
 

gumbo

FIGHT CLUB !
2ndAmendment said:
Those that teach falsely will be judged the harshest.

Apparently you don't know the bible as well as you think you do. now that you have corrected me wrong wouldn't that be FALSE teaching. :confused:
James 3:1 Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly !

Harshest, Strictly, Close enough meaning wouldn't you say ?

Hell it's getting warm in here ! :angel:

A little deflation of the infallible head. :peace:
 
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gumbo

FIGHT CLUB !
2ndAmendment said:
Gumbo, You and I will have to disagree on this. God has raised up armies to strike nations. Whether I use a weapon only for target practice or ever use it to kill is something that history has not decided.
Thats a Gumbo no no :nono: How dare you try to hide behind Old School That was the old God remember. Then he walked the earth in the flesh as Jesus and what did Jesus teach us :huggy: Thats right love thy brother and turn the other cheek :angel:
Still you avoid the question. Don't you think God knows you don't have enough faith in him to protect you and your family and don't you think he knows how you admire your guns for their power to kill. :dead:

Read James 1:5,10 then maybe you might understand.
The guns show you have doubt about your faith in Him.
 

gumbo

FIGHT CLUB !
2ndAmendment said:
But you missed the other part of Jesus statement that all things are possible through God. True, you cannot serve both God and money. But God did not say you could not be successful as long as you put Him first.
Now what does that have to do with getting rich off of his name :confused:



And you? Are you ready to give all of your possessions up?
My Ex Wife done that for me TYVM :lol:

I don't think you have to. I do believe you must put God before your possessions.
And again what does this have to do with getting rich using His name ?
 
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gumbo

FIGHT CLUB !
2ndAmendment said:
Ah. I see that you have taken on the God's job of deciding who and who is not going to hell by name.
Gumbo's Hell tour bus :shortbus: with your guide 2A

Hey I.m trying to drive can you get Jimmy and Billy to stop picking on the Pope's :lmao:
 
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