Fetal stem cells save lives

[mAlice]

...human embryo's are used in fetal stem cell research, yes?

If that gives you no pause, which I think it ought to, then, I guess that's the remaining point of contention because you're already fine with immortality.

You're still manipulating the discussion. Go back and read my posts. I never said anything of the sort. My whole discussion and opinion is based on something grown in a petri dish. If you wanna' call that human, that's your opinion and your right. I just disagree with you.

 

[Kerad]

And why not a way where all your brain activity is copied, in real time, so that your conscience is stored and reusable if brain #1 gets destroyed?

Stem cells aren't going to lead to that.

I seriously doubt that whatever it is that makes us "us" is gong to be able to be converted to some sort of electronic/digital signal and copied perfectly. If some day in the future that does become possible, then the debate would be if we were ever "human" at all: "Maybe we're just flesh and blood "bots" with personalized A.I."

 

[Larry Gude]

Did you read the link...

...in the original post?

Fetal? How did we arrive at Fetal stem cells?

So what is it about stem cells that has set tongues wagging in the beauty world? They are the building blocks of every human body but are far more plentiful in embryos, which are still growing, human foetuses, or newborn babies, than in adults.

I was unaware that repairing damage to parts of an Alzheimers wracked brain was akin to implanting fake memories, and fake identity, a la Total Recall and The 6th Day.

I don't know that it is. But does it not stand to reason that if we can transplant organs, the brain is possible as well? it was more a joke but, I would think it's on the horizon.

Indefinite Youth? yes.
Immortality? No

A distinction without a difference?

 

[Larry Gude]

Oh good...

Stem cells aren't going to lead to that.

I seriously doubt that whatever it is that makes us "us" is gong to be able to be converted to some sort of electronic/digital signal and copied perfectly. If some day in the future that does become possible, then the debate would be if we were ever "human" at all: "Maybe we're just flesh and blood "bots" with personalized A.I."

...why didn't you say so. I feel so much better. Maybe the concept of using fetal stem cells to smooth skin is just some abberation, a fantasy that the paper only claims happened.

 

[Toxick]

A distinction without a difference?

Indefinite is not eternal.

 

[Larry Gude]

That makes it simple...

You're still manipulating the discussion. Go back and read my posts. I never said anything of the sort. My whole discussion and opinion is based on something grown in a petri dish. If you wanna' call that human, that's your opinion and your right. I just disagree with you.

...we differ on what an embryo is.

It ain't a piece of skin or a finger tip on ice.

Would you create an embryo specifically to use it to get rid of wrinkles?

 

[Larry Gude]

True...

Indefinite is not eternal.

...one is defined, the other not. I'm just figuring that while indefinite is going on, we'll get to eternal.

 

[Toxick]

Would you create an embryo specifically to use it to get rid of wrinkles?

I would.

 

[Larry Gude]

Fair enough...

I would.

...I think it's ghoulish. Maybe when the wrinkles get really bad, I'll change my mind.

 

[Toxick]

...I think it's ghoulish. Maybe when the wrinkles get really bad, I'll change my mind.

I suppose that if I believed that embroyos were human beings then I would agree with your term ghoulish. I don't even have laugh-lines, and I don't find it ghoulish.

Using a fetus - yes, Ghoulish.
Using embryos - nope.

 

[Larry Gude]

This is obviously...

I suppose that if I believed that embroyos were human beings then I would agree with your term ghoulish. I don't even have laugh-lines, and I don't find it ghoulish.

Using a fetus - yes, Ghoulish.
Using embryos - nope.

...a matter of degree, like abortion. Some people are fine with the first trimester. Some 2. Some all the way to birth. Some would be comfortable if you could only get an abortion in the first two months. Some, not at all, ever.

It's unlike abortion in that, with abortion, it's done, over. With cells, man, who knows where it will lead? We maybe ought to think about it some because we are, I think, talking about much more than embryo's no matter how inconsequential we might make them out to be.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ps...

I suppose that if I believed that embroyos were human beings then I would agree with your term ghoulish. I don't even have laugh-lines, and I don't find it ghoulish.

Using a fetus - yes, Ghoulish.
Using embryos - nope.

...I don't believe an embryo is a human being. I believe a 3-6 month old fetus is.

 

[mAlice]

...we differ on what an embryo is.

It ain't a piece of skin or a finger tip on ice.

Would you create an embryo specifically to use it to get rid of wrinkles?

Their have been many medications created for one symptom or illness that have been found to be useful for other purposes. I don't see this as any different.

No, I would not create an embryo specifically for this. That said, if STEM CELL research leads to other cures that those they are currently looking for/at, including smoothing wrinkles, I would use it.

 

[vraiblonde]

I can tell you right here and now that I would never wipe some aborted fetus on my face in order to smooth my wrinkles. That is disgusting and gross.

 

[Kerad]

...why didn't you say so. I feel so much better. Maybe the concept of using fetal stem cells to smooth skin is just some abberation, a fantasy that the paper only claims happened.

First off, I believe the article stated that there has not been enough research done to prove that stem cells can indeed smoth wrinkles or not. That is one reason why it is not legally accepted.

Secondly...flesh, blood, skin, and bones do not make me "Kerad". Those items make up my body, true. But not my "being"...what some people may call my soul, energy, life force, etc...

Somewhat related: Identical twins are only identical, physically. They are not two copies of the same "being".

 

[Kerad]

I can tell you right here and now that I would never wipe some aborted fetus on my face in order to smooth my wrinkles. That is disgusting and gross.

Some people may not use/consume half the things they do if they knew what the things were made from. I still wish I didn't know where veal came from. I still like veal on the rare occasion. I just prefer not to think about it too much.

 

[Larry Gude]

Do you know...

First off, I believe the article stated that there has not been enough research done to prove that stem cells can indeed smoth wrinkles or not. That is one reason why it is not legally accepted.

Secondly...flesh, blood, skin, and bones do not make me "Kerad". Those items make up my body, true. But not my "being"...what some people may call my soul, energy, life force, etc...

Somewhat related: Identical twins are only identical, physically. They are not two copies of the same "being".

...that when I read 'Kerad' I envision a combination of a bug spray and a refreshing beverage?


You may be right. We may be irreproducible and if that ain't a word, it oughta be.

 

[Kerad]

...that when I read 'Kerad' I envision a combination of a bug spray and a refreshing beverage?


You may be right. We may be irreproducible and if that ain't a word, it oughta be.

Is that so? How odd. Well...at least they're two things that are beneficial.

The way I see it...if you can say it, spell it, and it can be understood...then it's a word. This viewpoint drives certain English language nerds a bit mad. It's funny how "irregardless" gets certain people fired up to the point of karma bombing. Look what Stephen Colbert did with "truthiness". And we all know Dubya wouldn't be able to communicate if he stuck to approved, accepted words.

 

[kingpl2]

I'd rather use them to fix wrinkles than through them in the dumpster. What do you suggest we do with them? Now? In the future? Do you suggest we tell IVF clinics to stop making more than they'll use?

I'm seriously curious; why the outrage over this? We either use the already created embryos for something good, or we throw them in the dumpster. I mean I could understand if they were making new biological weapon out of them, but all I've heard so far, is that they're using them for profitable and helpful medical research (left scams out on purpose).

Human beings are not owned by anyone of us. (Slavery is now against the law in this country.)
Human beings are not to be used by anyone of us, for any purpose at all. (Use things and love people-don't use people and love things.)
Human beings are to be loved by all of us.
No-thing that is not already a human being can "become" a human being.
In one sense all human beings are is cell dividing matter (with a given number of chromasomes) and an immortal soul.
What everyone is looking for (but may not realize) is immortality which we have anyway, some in eternal torment others in eternal bliss, in part how we treat other human beings, determines how love will judge us.
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Size - people of different sizess are no "less human".
Level of Development - little girls who don't have developed reproductive capabilities are no "less human" than older females who do.
Environment - you are no "less human" when you are in one location vs another.
Degree of dependency- an insulin dependent person is no "less human" than one who is not insulin dependent.

Everyone of us is going to die anyway that does not give someone else the right to use us.