Food Stamps Attack!

[JPCusick]

Repair.

you still hold your OPINION as true and accurate, yet you will shoot down other peoples OPINION as

So in your mind, other peoples opinons are without merit because they are not presented as a matter of acccuracy.

I really do not say that about all people or about everyone's opinion.

I simply said it about that one (1) person who posted such an ugly nasty message that I had no other option other than to denounce it or to ignore it.

That person posted ignorant bigoted opinions of their own, and as such there is no real option of introducing facts or truths as those are made irrelevant by their biased bigotry.

It is very seldom that any person gives me a message which I can not give a competent rebuttal - but that person and their ugly words is one for the record.

So evidently you think your, opinion is based on fact and accuracy, Im only asking that you post links that will back your opinion and make it fact.

I certainly dont see where that could be a problem for you.

My opinion and nobody's opinion needs to be backed up by a link or by anything.

It just does not work like that.

My own opinions are based on intangible things like compassion and generosity and ahimsa.

When other people post their bigotries and their ignorance's then they too do not need anything to prove it.

 

[Gilligan]

"My own opinions are based on intangible things" (J. P Cusick) :

For posterity..if nothing else.

 

[bcp]

My own opinions are based on intangible things like compassion and generosity and ahimsa.

When other people post their bigotries and their ignorance's then they too do not need anything to prove it.

If your opinions were really based on compassion and generosity and doing no harm, then you would actually work, earn your own money and spend it in compassionate ways.
What you would not do is harm someones income that does work by taking their money and doing whatever it is you do with it.

Your claims fall short based on the life you live. and that is not opinion, that is fact.

 

[JPCusick]

Repair.

So what you are telling me is that these people are being given really nice Cadillac’s, Lexus cars, etc. by their families. That must be really nice, give them a really expensive car but ignore their need for food so much they need food stamps.

When very poor and impoverished and or Disabled people do not have their own car then that creates a burden onto their families and onto society. If the person already has food stamps and using them properly then they do not need to be supplied with food. Even here in rural St Mary's County the gov created the STS Bus so the poor and needy citizens could get around town. Also the cars are often used as housing in that people will live in the cars, and it is reported that there are over one thousand (1,000) homeless people just here in SMC.

You say the poor people have expensive luxury cars and that is NOT accurate or true. Sarcasm yes but truth no. What I can report from experience is that we can find luxury cars and their owner drivers inside of homeless shelters and at soup kitchens for the poor, and the reason for that is because there are rich people who actually mingle and fraternize with the very poor as like volunteering their help and their resources and their time in service to people in need. So in such cases it will look like some rich person eating free food when in fact they are showing their solidarity along with their humility, and such an effort is greatly appreciated by all concerned.

In fact there are many people who would be eligible to receive the Food Stamps who will refuse to accept the Public Assistance based on their egotistical pride and their lack of honest humility.

Food stamps cost the taxpayer money so don't act like it can't be treated as so when people abuse it.

That really depends on how one interprets the abuse of food, because at the opening of this thread - the store owners will NOT accept the Food Stamps for anything other than food.

It is both a Federal and State crime to take or use Food Stamps or any Public Assistance improperly, and the programs are actively monitored throughout the entire USA.

And tax dollars are meant to be used to help the poor and needy citizens so I do not see it as a "cost of taxes" but as a proper and legitimate expenditure of tax dollars.

The US Constitution declares in its opening that the US government is to = "promote the general welfare"

 

[Bay_Kat]

Here's one for JPC, get a job

 

[Gilligan]

In fact there are many people who would be eligible to receive the Food Stamps who will refuse to accept the Public Assistance based on their strong moral character, self-esteem and strong sense of self worth:

Yeah..we know.

 

[Gilligan]

The US Constitution declares in its opening that the US government is to = "promote the general welfare"

Sigh. You are such a sad little tool. The kind of welfare you suck up was not even invented until the 20th century. Here:

Progressives have completely ignored the definition of the phrase “general welfare” that was universally accepted by the framers of the constitution. They have substituted the 18th century definition of general welfare with a modern definition that is the polar opposite of the original.

From the period well before the writing of the constitution up until the 1930s general welfare as used in the constitution was defined as the overall state of wellbeing of the nation as a whole.

What does the General Welfare Clause really mean? « Constitution Mythbuster

 

[bcp]

The US Constitution declares in its opening that the US government is to = "promote the general welfare"

promoting the general welfare had nothing to do with giving a free ride to bums like yourself.
It had to do with making sure there was a military to protect the citizens, and infrastructure like roads, bridges etc.. to make sure there was access to education.
In short, promoting the welfare of the public or the citizens was nothing more than making sure the tools needed to succeed where in place.

The right to pursue happiness does not equate to a right to achieve happiness.

 

[Namikazenaru]

When very poor and impoverished and or Disabled people do not have their own car then that creates a burden onto their families and onto society. If the person already has food stamps and using them properly then they do not need to be supplied with food. Even here in rural St Mary's County the gov created the STS Bus so the poor and needy citizens could get around town. Also the cars are often used as housing in that people will live in the cars, and it is reported that there are over one thousand (1,000) homeless people just here in SMC.

You say the poor people have expensive luxury cars and that is NOT accurate or true. Sarcasm yes but truth no. What I can report from experience is that we can find luxury cars and their owner drivers inside of homeless shelters and at soup kitchens for the poor, and the reason for that is because there are rich people who actually mingle and fraternize with the very poor as like volunteering their help and their resources and their time in service to people in need. So in such cases it will look like some rich person eating free food when in fact they are showing their solidarity along with their humility, and such an effort is greatly appreciated by all concerned.

In fact there are many people who would be eligible to receive the Food Stamps who will refuse to accept the Public Assistance based on their egotistical pride and their lack of honest humility.



That really depends on how one interprets the abuse of food, because at the opening of this thread - the store owners will NOT accept the Food Stamps for anything other than food.

It is both a Federal and State crime to take or use Food Stamps or any Public Assistance improperly, and the programs are actively monitored throughout the entire USA.

And tax dollars are meant to be used to help the poor and needy citizens so I do not see it as a "cost of taxes" but as a proper and legitimate expenditure of tax dollars.

The US Constitution declares in its opening that the US government is to = "promote the general welfare"

Obviously we have an inability to read issue here. Let me make some bullet points for you JP:
-I used to work at a grocery store as a teen
- I worked at a register and on carts
- At the register I would see people using EBT cards while having stacks of cash with them
- EBT users would also buy brand names with much more expense on them than getting the generic brand which work just as well
- If they don't deposit their cash and they get cash at their jobs the government can't track it
- When working in the parking lot moving carts I would notice the same people I remember using EBT cards packing up and driving very expensive cars (I was not saying I saw expensive cars at a homeless shelter)


In short the system is abused and I've seen it over and over first hand. You can't argue things I've seen because I've seen the evidence first hand. Your opinion on the system is through your opinion and your rose tinted glasses.

Yes its a crime to abuse food stamps, but the people who abuse it realize that there is barely anyone actually out on the streets enforcing the rules.

The system needs to be rethought and done a different way. My suggestion is having people actually work for their handouts. It will weed out those who actually need it and those who are being lazy. They only need to do something like 20-30 hours a week and this will still leave them better off than some people who work 40+ hours a week for a living.

You want to talk about our forefathers. Our forefathers feared a big government. The government was supposed to remain small. Our forefathers did not envision and did not want a government that ran everyone's everyday lives. That is the path we are going with more and more government programs.

 

[blazinlow89]

I see them driving Cadillac's, Lexus's, Infiniti's, and once again the Lambo back in the section 8 development off of Willow's. You really need to open your eyes JPC, drive by Missouri #### hole ave, you will see a lot of nice new cars, and you will see the same people in Walmart, Food Lion and Mckays buying food with EBT, food stamps and WIC. You say the fraud does not exist, I along with alot of other people see it.

Once again there is a difference between being poor, and choosing to be poor to receive entitlement.

 

[Disco Stu]

JPC = liberal brain dead piece of crap

 

[JPCusick]

Repair.

Obviously we have an inability to read issue here. Let me make some bullet points for you JP:
-I used to work at a grocery store as a teen
- I worked at a register and on carts
- At the register I would see people using EBT cards while having stacks of cash with them
- EBT users would also buy brand names with much more expense on them than getting the generic brand which work just as well
- If they don't deposit their cash and they get cash at their jobs the government can't track it
- When working in the parking lot moving carts I would notice the same people I remember using EBT cards packing up and driving very expensive cars (I was not saying I saw expensive cars at a homeless shelter)

I am trying not to be overly offensive, but you being critical and judgmental about people in the grocery store means you your self did not belong there.

A person having a stack of cash means nothing, as it could have been a role of $1 bills (unless you searched the customers), and many people have jobs while they also get food stamps as the program is NOT required for the persons to be dead broke. So poor people are allowed to have money.

And there is nothing wrong with buying brand-name foods, as poor people do not need to eat the lower quality foods simply because of judgmental bigots like your self.

And driving a nice car means nothing, because the Food Stamp programs does not require citizens to surrender their transportation just to get Public Assistance. Also I know grown adult people who drive their parents' car, and so if you did not search out the car registration or the person's program status then you are simply making baseless claims.

For myself, when I was first forced into being homeless and onto Food Stamps - I was rather embarrassed about myself and I went to the Mattingly grocery store in Leonardtown, and I saw the cashier there look at me really judgmental as I was a seemingly healthy white Man using Food Stamps, so my embarrassment turned to anger and I never looked myself down again after that.

In short the system is abused and I've seen it over and over first hand. You can't argue things I've seen because I've seen the evidence first hand. Your opinion on the system is through your opinion and your rose tinted glasses.

You really have not seen anything, as your vision is completely corrupt by your own pompous self righteousness.

Every claim you have made has been nothing better than your own ugly bigotry.

Yes its a crime to abuse food stamps, but the people who abuse it realize that there is barely anyone actually out on the streets enforcing the rules.

As if you are the spokesperson for the people on Food Stamps - when you certainly are NOT.

There is in fact a huge amount of harsh enforcement in the Public Assistance rules.

The opening post of this thread is about a person being denied buying anything other than food with the Food Stamps, because it is very much enforced, as is every other Public Assistance program.

The system needs to be rethought and done a different way. My suggestion is having people actually work for their handouts. It will weed out those who actually need it and those who are being lazy. They only need to do something like 20-30 hours a week and this will still leave them better off than some people who work 40+ hours a week for a living.

I am truly sorry that there are such ignorant people as your self who feel that way.

You want to talk about our forefathers. Our forefathers feared a big government. The government was supposed to remain small. Our forefathers did not envision and did not want a government that ran everyone's everyday lives. That is the path we are going with more and more government programs.

That is a Republican Party platform idea, but it is not from our US founders.

In The Federalist Papers which is the most intensive accounting of the founders original intentions, it lays the foundation of a big huge government that would rule over the many States.

The only thing directly recorded as the founder's fear was about democracy itself, in that they feared that a majority of small minded bigots might force injustices onto the rest of the population - and that fear is still legitimate today.

 

[JPCusick]

Repair.

I see them driving Cadillac's, Lexus's, Infiniti's, and once again the Lambo back in the section 8 development off of Willow's. You really need to open your eyes JPC, drive by Missouri #### hole ave, you will see a lot of nice new cars, and you will see the same people in Walmart, Food Lion and Mckays buying food with EBT, food stamps and WIC. You say the fraud does not exist, I along with alot of other people see it.

Once again there is a difference between being poor, and choosing to be poor to receive entitlement.

None of that represents "fraud".

Poor and needy people on Public Assistance are allowed to have their own car and that is not abusing the system.

There are lots of legitimate ways for very poor people to get a brand new luxury car, as if they have the best of credit, or if they have a family member cosign, or the car could be a free gift from family or from a charity group, and if a needy person can demonstrate a true and legitimate need then the Public Assistance can and will buy the person a car too.

Having a nice car does NOT make the person as rich or as some fraud, as a nice car simply means that they can drive around to the places they need to go.

I realize that Republicans believe we need to kick Americans when they go down, but that is a barbaric way to look at thy fellow citizens who happen to need assistance.

 

[bcp]

None of that represents "fraud".

Poor and needy people on Public Assistance are allowed to have their own car and that is not abusing the system.

There are lots of legitimate ways for very poor people to get a brand new luxury car, as if they have the best of credit, or if they have a family member cosign, or the car could be a free gift from family or from a charity group, and if a needy person can demonstrate a true and legitimate need then the Public Assistance can and will buy the person a car too.

Having a nice car does NOT make the person as rich or as some fraud, as a nice car simply means that they can drive around to the places they need to go.

I realize that Republicans believe we need to kick Americans when they go down, but that is a barbaric way to look at thy fellow citizens who happen to need assistance.

I want a new truck, you think I can get the government to buy one for me? Since Im looking at bigger campers I will need something in the 4500 size truck, diesel and full loaded. should be no more than 90 ~ 100k by the time all is said and done.
Mine is 6 years old now, Its upsetting to be seen in it.
Where do I apply?

 

[JPCusick]

Repair.

I want a new truck, you think I can get the government to buy one for me? Since Im looking at bigger campers I will need something in the 4500 size truck, diesel and full loaded. should be no more than 90 ~ 100k by the time all is said and done.
Mine is 6 years old now, Its upsetting to be seen in it.
Where do I apply?

One would think that you could be happy with your riches as you having so very much more than poorer people - but no.

Your kind kiss-up to your superiors while kicking-down at those you view as inferior.

Where do you apply = when do you ever grow up?

 

[Gilligan]

I I saw the cashier there look at me really judgmental as I was a seemingly healthy white Man using Food Stamps, so my embarrassment turned to anger and I never looked myself down again after that.

:

Priceless!! Jimmy..you should do stand-up comedy. Really.

 

[RoseRed]

Funny tread!!!

 

[Namikazenaru]

I am trying not to be overly offensive, but you being critical and judgmental about people in the grocery store means you your self did not belong there.

A person having a stack of cash means nothing, as it could have been a role of $1 bills (unless you searched the customers), and many people have jobs while they also get food stamps as the program is NOT required for the persons to be dead broke. So poor people are allowed to have money.

And there is nothing wrong with buying brand-name foods, as poor people do not need to eat the lower quality foods simply because of judgmental bigots like your self.

And driving a nice car means nothing, because the Food Stamp programs does not require citizens to surrender their transportation just to get Public Assistance. Also I know grown adult people who drive their parents' car, and so if you did not search out the car registration or the person's program status then you are simply making baseless claims.

For myself, when I was first forced into being homeless and onto Food Stamps - I was rather embarrassed about myself and I went to the Mattingly grocery store in Leonardtown, and I saw the cashier there look at me really judgmental as I was a seemingly healthy white Man using Food Stamps, so my embarrassment turned to anger and I never looked myself down again after that.



You really have not seen anything, as your vision is completely corrupt by your own pompous self righteousness.

Every claim you have made has been nothing better than your own ugly bigotry.



As if you are the spokesperson for the people on Food Stamps - when you certainly are NOT.

There is in fact a huge amount of harsh enforcement in the Public Assistance rules.

The opening post of this thread is about a person being denied buying anything other than food with the Food Stamps, because it is very much enforced, as is every other Public Assistance program.



I am truly sorry that there are such ignorant people as your self who feel that way.



That is a Republican Party platform idea, but it is not from our US founders.

In The Federalist Papers which is the most intensive accounting of the founders original intentions, it lays the foundation of a big huge government that would rule over the many States.

The only thing directly recorded as the founder's fear was about democracy itself, in that they feared that a majority of small minded bigots might force injustices onto the rest of the population - and that fear is still legitimate today.

The reason I know its not $1 bills is because they would come in use their food stamps until it rang up to a certain amount, then they pulled out the $100s.

If my tax money is going to feed someone in true need I am fine with that. But if you are using money that I worked for I would rather see people buy 2-3 of the generic kind which will feed them longer and is just as good than the expensive stuff. I make decent money now and I still eat the generic stuff and its just fine. I may not be a spokesman for the system but if I am paying part of the bill I should be able to have a say what is bought. You'll probably never understand that because from what you say you don't pay the bill.

You say every claim I make is bigotry, you make me laugh. I saw these things, its not from someone else's stories, I saw the abuse happen; it's one of the reasons I am against the system the way it is now.

Yes I never saw the registration of the car, but to come in every week in the same car, they must be living with their parents and I doubt living in with their parents that own really expensive cars would be forced to use food stamps. Also, why do I need to look at their program status, they were in there every week or every other week using the EBT. I would say their status was still in the program.

Why are you so afraid of additional regulation of the program or ways for the taxpayers to report fraud. Is it because you know the amount of fraud that goes into the system (seeing that you actually used the system at one point).

I am asking for two things: additional regulation and for the people who use the system to give their time back to the community.

How is it ignorant from someone who works for his money to expect people who get free handouts to not lift a finger for it. There are plenty of community projects these people can do. Yes give them time to apply for jobs but I guarantee that doesn't take 40 hours a week, you know, the amount of hours people who work for a living put in. I dare say its ignorant of you to expect hard working people just give away money. If anything, having them work for it will give them a sense of pride that they earned what they got.

You JP are the ignorant one. You see your ideas as the only right ones. When evidence is clear to the contrary you just dismiss it as someone else being ignorant or a bigot. Get off your soap box and open your eyes. The system is flawed.

Btw you conveniently left out the anti federalists

 

[bcp]

One would think that you could be happy with your riches as you having so very much more than poorer people - but no.

Your kind kiss-up to your superiors while kicking-down at those you view as inferior.

Where do you apply = when do you ever grow up?

In the first place, you have no idea what I do or do not have, so stop your asinine assumptions of me being rich.

Next, the only inferior people to me are those that have no respect for the country, and people like you that refuse to pull yourself up in favor of taking from others that work.

as far as growing up, which one of us still has to be provided for in the same fashion that our parents provided for us when we were children? I have to say that you are the one with your hand out seeking your allowance from your liberal democratic parents.

I would hope that sooner or later some of this sinks in and you at least try being a productive citizen that we can look at as a equal. And no, to be my equal you do not have to make X number of dollars, but you do have to apply yourself and do your best not to be a drain on society.

Please think about your role in society before you spew anymore of your ignorance.

 

[blazinlow89]

None of that represents "fraud".

Poor and needy people on Public Assistance are allowed to have their own car and that is not abusing the system.

There are lots of legitimate ways for very poor people to get a brand new luxury car, as if they have the best of credit, or if they have a family member cosign, or the car could be a free gift from family or from a charity group, and if a needy person can demonstrate a true and legitimate need then the Public Assistance can and will buy the person a car too.

Having a nice car does NOT make the person as rich or as some fraud, as a nice car simply means that they can drive around to the places they need to go.

I realize that Republicans believe we need to kick Americans when they go down, but that is a barbaric way to look at thy fellow citizens who happen to need assistance.

So you are saying someone on welfare driving a $300,000 car is not fraud. You do realize that if a women applies for benefits, and neglects to mention that her babies daddy earning $30000, living in the same house is committing fraud. Same goes with someone who earns a majority of their money under the table and does not claim it. They are now commuting tax fraud and welfare fraud. You are ignorant, there are alot of ways to commit fraud. It happens everyday. You are blind.