MiddleGround
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Solid white line? I think you are talking about a temporary passing lane that is painted into the shoulder area which would have broken white lines for entry and exit.
SOLID white lines are a no-no anytime.
For all of those in Southern Md that have no clue how to get through a crossover
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Solid white line? I think you are talking about a temporary passing lane that is painted into the shoulder area which would have broken white lines for entry and exit.
SOLID white lines are a no-no anytime.
MiddleGround
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even when that white line marks the "sidewalk" ?
So what you are saying is pedestrians and bike riders should not used the lanes marked for their use because people might need to pass on the right in their vehicle?
Does this also apply to passing vehicles who are not turning but doing the speed limit
or passing vehicles who are stopped with their hand turn signal flashing?
Goldenhawk
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You keep calling it the "wrong" way without any justification other than your own opinion.
So many straw men and here I forgot my matches. Just read the new law.
Goldenhawk
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It would help to read the law. "The driver of a vehicle may make the movement described in subsections (A) and (B) of this section by driving outside the marked lane onto the shoulder to overtake and pass a vehicle that is making or about to make a left turn if the driver can do so without leaving the paved surface." "(a) May overtake and pass to the right of another vehicle only: (1) if the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a left turn; (2) ... only if it is safe to do so."
Both your questions are clearly answered. And the "safe to do so" clause would prohibit unsafe actions around pedestrians or bicycles.
Goldenhawk
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It helps to remember that many of us learned to drive in some other state, many years ago, and under the instruction of people who learned to drive many decades ago. There are a lot of opinions about "the right way" that are not supported or required by current laws in this state.
GWguy
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I thought it was 100', but regardless, yes, there is a zone of "no lane change approaching an intersection". Former member APS reminded us a few times. Sometimes you will see the lane markers change from dashed to solid near the intersection, but I haven't seen that around here.
GWguy
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And no dig at you, but this is a partial reason why we have these "discussions". We each have a set of "known facts", based on prior rules and laws, or the way we were instructed, which may or may not be accurate.Consider me informed! Thanks for the literature Gilligan
MiddleGround
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I call it WRONG because you are saying it is perfectly reasonable to drive on the LEFT side of the road. In what way is that EVER correct in the US??? At what point does common sense kick in? After you get T-boned???
MiddleGround
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As far as I know... EVERY state teaches you to drive on the RIGHT side of the roadway. Was your driver's license issued in London?
MiddleGround
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Agreed. My issues come when the discussions are held to the point where, even in the face of literature that back up what you are saying, people still refuse to acknowledge that they may be wrong like it is some kind of scarlet letter.
Goldenhawk
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Personal attacks are unnecessary.
Goldenhawk
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The same exact point can be made about crossing to the left of other vehicles when using a traffic-light-controlled intersection, yet I don't think you're making an argument that THAT is wrong, are you?
You haven't yet acknowleged the concept that some states IN THE USA actually do have laws that require hugging to the left when using a median crossover. So your personal sense of "always stay to the right" may not be accurate.
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MiddleGround
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What does this even mean? I need more of an explanation because this does not only make no sense... it also has no bearing on the conversation at hand.
Links? Examples?? I have driven in at least half of the states in this country and have NEVER seen an instance of having to "
Goldenhawk
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Maybe actually getting some facts on the table would help.
The Maryland Driver's Handbook
says "You should avoid drifting across lane lines and making lane changes within an intersection." First of all, the Handbook is not a legal document, and you cannot be charged with violating the Handbook; you can only be charged with violating the law itself. (You could be charged with doing something unsafe, but that's a separate aspect of the law.) Second, even if the Handbook were legally binding (which it's not), "avoid" is not the same as "may not" or "shall not".
From TrafficSchoolOnline.com, "Lots of drivers don't change lanes while driving in the middle of the intersection because they believe it is against the law. Even though this is good practice, as changing lanes mid-intersection can be dangerous, a lot of states don't consider it an unlawful act. Still, some states, like Ohio, do consider it illegal."
As an example, Virginia marks most intersections with solid white lines approaching the signal, but Maryland typically does not. Naturally, in any state you must obey these lane markings where they do exist.
Note also that nothing in the Driver's Handbook OR the law says how to use a median crossover intersection.
You may also be surprised that changing lanes without using a turn signal is NOT illegal in Maryland, although in 2009 an attempt to make it illegal was attempted and failed in the state legislature.
You are, however, required to signal at least 100 ft before TURNING at an intersection.
If you disagree, feel free to quote "chapter and verse" of the MD Transportation Code to support your opinion. I suggest the Justia.com website as the most useful. I've searched extensively; I always do before entering into these discussions. I'd love to know if I'm wrong based upon the law itself. But your personal opinion or logic will not sway my trust in the law's specifics, because the law is what can convict me, not your opinion.
Goldenhawk
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I gave an example above of the Virginia code.