forced acceptance of homosexuality.

[czygvtwkr]

yeah .... that's because she's a minor and it's illegal.

The law is against having sex with a minor, I seriously doubt there is a law forbidding artificially inseminating a minor, after all doctors can perform abortions on minors without parental consent.

 

[Xaquin44]

The law is against having sex with a minor, I seriously doubt there is a law forbidding artificially inseminating a minor, after all doctors can perform abortions on minors without parental consent.

yeah, and they also can't vote, drive, drink, etc. etc. etc. If you can't have sex with a minor, I highly doubt the law would let you impregnate them another way.

I suppose I could be wrong, but I doubt it in this case.

edit: also, since they can't get married or work, I'd wager common sense would dictate ....

 

[vraiblonde]

I just pointed out that you were only in favor of individual rights if they were the rights you wanted them to have.

*I*, my dear, am completely and totally in favor of individual rights. And that includes the right of a business owner to refuse service to whoever he/she wants, for whatever reason they choose.

How 'bout you, buddy? You in favor of individual rights?

 

[Xaquin44]

*I*, my dear, am completely and totally in favor of individual rights. And that includes the right of a business owner to refuse service to whoever he/she wants, for whatever reason they choose.

How 'bout you, buddy? You in favor of individual rights?

depends =)

I don't favor businesses advertising a service and then saying 'oh .... nevermind .... you're gay/black/white/have freckles/whatever bullcrap reason people make up because they're lame etc'

but that's me.

If you work at a fast food restaurant, don't deny people fast food when they come looking for it.

 

[drmatsci]

Individual rights... one's individual rights can't exceed or trample on another to the point tht you take rights away from another. Example, you don't have the right to do anything you want, that's for sure.

Discrimination: the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b: prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment

If you reject service because someone is lesbian, it IS discrimination.

 

[bcp]

depends =)

I don't favor businesses advertising a service and then saying 'oh .... nevermind .... you're gay/black/white/have freckles/whatever bullcrap reason people make up because they're lame etc'

but that's me.

If you work at a fast food restaurant, don't deny people fast food when they come looking for it.

again, trying to mix situations that should not be included in this argument.
can you come up with a good reason for someone to go against their inner most feelings and be forced to impregnate a lesbian?

so far you have not. you have only tried to switch the argument to racial discrimination.

 

[This_person]

no, that's not what she said at all.

she said that anyone offering said service should be obliged to actually provide the service.

i.e. I'm set up a lemonade stand to the public. Therefore I am obliged to sell lemonade to the public (not just whites, not just asians, not just lesbians, but to the public). I am not, however, required to sell grape juice, as that doesn't fall under my product catagory.

But, are you suggesting you shouldn't have the RIGHT to set up a lemonade stand to sell lemonade to just a portion of the public? If you choose to only sell lemonade to people in blue jeans, shouldn't that be your right?

How about the Elks, the Moose, etc., etc. Not just anyone can go in there, unless they meet certain requirements. Is that okay?

 

[drmatsci]

It is discrimination, BCP.

 

[drmatsci]

BCP, look this one up.

BIGOT: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

 

[bcp]

Individual rights... one's individual rights can't exceed or trample on another to the point tht you take rights away from another. Example, you don't have the right to do anything you want, that's for sure.

Discrimination: the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b: prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment

If you reject service because someone is lesbian, it IS discrimination.

if, I were so inclined to go into Victoria's Secret and try on panties and bras, should the store have the right to ask me to leave when I do this?

 

[drmatsci]

if, I were so inclined to go into Victoria's Secret and try on panties and bras, should the store have the right to ask me to leave when I do this?

Not if you are planning on buying them or shopping for your wife.
Of course, if your rip them, you bought them.

 

[bcp]

BCP, look this one up.

BIGOT: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

I fit the mold. however, I would like to see others on the other side of the argument agree that they too fit that same mold.

If a gay can be born gay, why is it not possible that I could have been born to find those homosexual acts repulsive?

you should tolerate and accept my opinions as valid.

 

[This_person]

Actually I guess it would. If you apply for a job you have a job description. If you accept the job based on the description then you HAVE to perform that job or quit.

Um, wouldn't that be up to your employer, not your customer? Or, the state?

 

[bcp]

Not if you are planning on buying them or shopping for your wife.
Of course, if your rip them, you bought them.

if you see me do this. could you kill me please?
TYIA

Point is, they would, and should remove my pervert ass from their store.

 

[This_person]

yeah, and they also can't vote, drive, drink, etc. etc. etc. If you can't have sex with a minor, I highly doubt the law would let you impregnate them another way.

I suppose I could be wrong, but I doubt it in this case.

edit: also, since they can't get married or work, I'd wager common sense would dictate ....

WHOSE common sense?

 

[This_person]

Individual rights... one's individual rights can't exceed or trample on another to the point tht you take rights away from another. Example, you don't have the right to do anything you want, that's for sure.

Discrimination: the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b: prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment

If you reject service because someone is lesbian, it IS discrimination.

If you force someone to perform a medical procedure on you who would otherwise choose not to, even when someone else is available, would that not also be discrimination (picking on a doctor because of their choice)?

 

[drmatsci]

If you force someone to perform a medical procedure on you who would otherwise choose not to, even when someone else is available, would that not also be discrimination (picking on a doctor because of their choice)?

What? How does that make sense? So I arrive at a drive through, the window guy tells me "sorry, your white, I am black, I won't serve you" and since we are forcing him to serve me, that's dicrimination?

Go read that definition again... forcing someone to view others equally is not discrimination.

 

[This_person]

What? How does that make sense? So I arrive at a drive through, the window guy tells me "sorry, your white, I am black, I won't serve you" and since we are forcing him to serve me, that's dicrimination?

Go read that definition again... forcing someone to view others equally is not discrimination.

Why? Their category of people determines that there are certain people they find it improper to serve with their business function, with the full knowledge and recomendation of someone who will perform the business function for them. The discriminator takes that category of people, and attempts to force them to perform the business function when they don't have to.

The discriminator is discriminating against a category of people by denying them the right to run their business as they see fit.

How is that not discrimination?

 

[vraiblonde]

Individual rights... one's individual rights can't exceed or trample on another to the point tht you take rights away from another.

Ah, but the lesbian's rights were not taken away from her. She was referred to another doctor. So how was she denied anything?

 

[Xaquin44]

Ah, but the lesbian's rights were not taken away from her. She was referred to another doctor. So how was she denied anything?

well .... what if that was her doctor .... or what if he had been suggested as being particularly good in his field. Maybe the new doctor charged more then she could manage or was 100 miles away.

There could be many reasons.