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[2ndAmendment]

Funny thing about murder, abortion is not considered murder, just like killing in self defense, or when killing is being metered out as justice.



Well the homos and abortionist are the children of god too, in fact they were also made in god's likeness, so if they are gay murderers, then on some level god must be too..... that is if god dictated the book.

The premeditated killing of a human that has not threatened you in anyway is murder. http://www.visembryo.com/baby/12_weeks.html looks human to me. Don't think it is capable of threatening. So I think it is murder.

All people are created in God image but not of His mind. We look like Him; we do not think like Him. He does not sin; we do. We cannot save ourselves; He can save us. A person that chooses to do homosexual acts chooses to sin as a person who chooses to kill an innocent human is a murderer and chooses to sin. No sin is better; sin is sin and is subject to the same judgment from God. All can be forgiven, but repentance and acceptance of Jesus are required.

 

[Midnightrider]

The premeditated killing of a human that has not threatened you in anyway is murder. http://www.visembryo.com/baby/12_weeks.html looks human to me. Don't think it is capable of threatening. So I think it is murder.

All people are created in God image but not of His mind. We look like Him; we do not think like Him. He does not sin; we do. We cannot save ourselves; He can save us. A person that chooses to do homosexual acts chooses to sin as a person who chooses to kill an innocent human is a murderer and chooses to sin. No sin is better; sin is sin and is subject to the same judgment from God. All can be forgiven, but repentance and acceptance of Jesus are required.

there you go thinking again, god surely didn't say any of that, and i dont remember too many pictures in the bible....

as for homosexuality, nice justification there, but i'm not buying it, and neither is the episcopal church, i guess their bible says something different?

 

[Makavide]

well, thats an awful lot of you considering.

BTW, i feel abortion is wrong too, but i wouldn't force my beliefs on others who have a different moral compass.

"...you can't run a country by a book of religion..." FZ

How is it that people can say they feel abortion is wrong, but that they don't want to force their beliefs on others? I do not understand that concept.

To me you are saying that armed robbery is wrong, but if you believe it to be okay, then I am fine with that. Go out, rob people, you won't be punished.

or, I believe child abuse is wrong, but if your moral compas says it is okay, then go for it - I won't stop you.

I believe John Kerry used the same line, "I think abortion is wrong, but I will not force my moral upbring on you" or some such thing. How can we expect our political leaders to properly lead us, if they are not willing to follow their own moral compass?

If you can not stand up for your own convictions, who will?

murder is wrong, but if you feel it is okay, then go ahead and kill me - your moral compass is better then mine.

 

[2ndAmendment]

there you go thinking again, god surely didn't say any of that, and i dont remember too many pictures in the bible....

as for homosexuality, nice justification there, but i'm not buying it, and neither is the episcopal church, i guess their bible says something different?

The Episcopal organization has been declared an anathema. They have the same Bible; they choose to ignore it.

 

[Midnightrider]

The Episcopal organization has been declared an anathema. They have the same Bible; they choose to ignore it.

by who?



maybe they just read the bible as it was intended, to include ALL of gods people. not just the ones that believe in 2ndAism

 

[2ndAmendment]

by who?



maybe they just read the bible as it was intended, to include ALL of gods people. not just the ones that believe in 2ndAism

I am not here to do your research.

The Bible includes homosexuals ... as sinners. Every Bible does. It says they can be forgiven as every sinner can ... after repenting and accepting Jesus as Savior and Lord. The Bible does not say it is OK to sin because a sin has become acceptable to society or it is OK to sin because it is politically incorrect to do otherwise.

 

[vraiblonde]

the bible doesnt say anything about abortions,

It annoys me when people who have never read the Bible and aren't even familiar with it try to tell you what it does and does not say.

The Bible makes numerous references to babies in the womb being created by God. And the Bible is very specific that God doesn't like it when you destroy one of His children.

If you want me to cite scripture, I'll happily run down specific verses.

 

[Midnightrider]

I am not here to do your research.

if its you, just say so

The Bible includes homosexuals ... as sinners. Every Bible does. It says they can be forgiven as every sinner can ... after repenting and accepting Jesus as Savior and Lord. The Bible does not say it is OK to sin because a sin has become acceptable to society or it is OK to sin because it is politically incorrect to do otherwise.

obviously you and a huge number if christians disagree on this one

 

[2ndAmendment]

Obviously you know nothing of the Bible or of being a Christian.

 

[rraley]

Quite frankly, "Christians" that don't believe the Bible or think homosexual behavior or abortion or other sin is OK in any way are not what they profess to be.

2A, that's an uncalled for insult, and you have absolutely no right to tell me whether I am a Christian or not. I have read the Bible front to cover (and couple of extra books than you have, because your King James decided to cut some out). I read the 10,000 references to helping the poor and the references to being stewards of the earth and to loving peace. Jesus was sent to teach us peace and how to care for each other. Yes, he did discuss sexual immorality, but that was a footnote to his greater message of love. Falwell should have focused on that and not thrown red meat to people such as yourselves regarding homosexuality and abortion.

(And maybe Falwell should have talked about the death penalty, wars, and the lack of health as being against the culture of life as well).

 

[Midnightrider]

Obviously you know nothing of the Bible or of being a Christian.

and obviously you are a pompous azz who thinks they know the only word of god. all those episcopals will be absolutly destraught when they find out they are going against the word of 2ndA. bwhahahahaha.

 

[2ndAmendment]

and obviously you are a pompous azz who thinks they know the only word of god. all those episcopals will be absolutly destraught when they find out they are going against the word of 2ndA. bwhahahahaha.

And obviously you are an obsessive person who cannot perceive truth when it is put in print. The reason people, including "Christians," choose to ignore the Bible is because it convicts them. It says what they are choosing to do is sin.

Former Episcopals have left that organization because of its stance on the sin of homosexual behavior. They choose to believe the Bible and not an organization.

 

[Midnightrider]

And obviously you are an obsessive person who cannot perceive truth when it is put in print. The reason people, including "Christians," choose to ignore the Bible is because it convicts them. It says what they are choosing to do is sin.

Former Episcopals have left that organization because of its stance on the sin of homosexual behavior. They choose to believe the Bible and not an organization.

and thats why the episcopal churches are empty every sunday

you writing something on the internet is NOT truth, just becasue you see it in print.

YOUR VERSION OF CHRISTIANITY IS NOT THE ONLY ONE, and it is definatly not the "right" one!!!

 

[2ndAmendment]

2A, that's an uncalled for insult, and you have absolutely no right to tell me whether I am a Christian or not. I have read the Bible front to cover (and couple of extra books than you have, because your King James decided to cut some out). I read the 10,000 references to helping the poor and the references to being stewards of the earth and to loving peace. Jesus was sent to teach us peace and how to care for each other. Yes, he did discuss sexual immorality, but that was a footnote to his greater message of love. Falwell should have focused on that and not thrown red meat to people such as yourselves regarding homosexuality and abortion.

(And maybe Falwell should have talked about the death penalty, wars, and the lack of health as being against the culture of life as well).

It was not my intention to insult you. I quoted your post because of the homosexual reference. I have seen bumper stickers that say you can't be a Catholic and pro-choice. If you choose to be insulted, then that is on you.

As to the King James Bible, the original contained the Apocrypha. You need to study Biblical history if you want to discuss it. And the King James is not my version of preference since the New American Standard is considered by most the most accurate translation. Oh. The King James is not a translation but a revision of The Bishops Bible.

I think your "10,000" references is a bit of an exaggeration since I am not sure there are 10,000 words in the four gospels. I agree that the proclamation that God loves you is a great proclamation. He loves all His creation and all His human creation are sinners and He loves us. But He does not and will not tolerate sin. He forgives sin, but He has His conditions for forgiveness; repentance and acceptance of Jesus. Ever read about Sodom and Gomorrah? Sodomy is called that for a reason. Seems God did not like it much. An active homosexual has not repented or they would not be active or at the very least, they would agree that homosexual behavior is sin and be doing their very best to no longer sin.

Death penalty, wars, and the lack of health as being against the culture of life as well is certainly not in the Bible. The consequence of sin is death. Death is the penalty called for in many Biblical laws. Wars are predicted in the Bible and God assisted the Israelites in many battles. And Jesus is coming to wage war against the earth (See Revelation). The care of others is not the realm of government but is the opportunity for us to assist each other whether it is feeding or health care. It is us that are called to be good Samaritans not the government.

 

[2ndAmendment]

and thats why the episcopal churches are empty every sunday

you writing something on the internet is NOT truth, just becasue you see it in print.

YOUR VERSION OF CHRISTIANITY IS NOT THE ONLY ONE, and it is definatly not the "right" one!!!

Is it possible that I am wrong? You bet. But I will rely on the Bible as Truth and not the word of Midnightrider or rraley.

 

[2ndAmendment]

and thats why the episcopal churches are empty every sunday
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Lots of pew sitters are not on the road to heaven. You are not a Christian because you go to church, any church. You are not a Christian because your parents are or your grandparents were. You are not a Christian because you tithe or give to charity. There is one way to be a Christian according to the Bible; you repent of your sin and accept Jesus as Savior and Lord; have a person relationship with Him.

 

[Midnightrider]

Lots of pew sitters are not on the road to heaven. You are not a Christian because you go to church, any church. You are not a Christian because your parents are or your grandparents were. You are not a Christian because you tithe or give to charity. There is one way to be a Christian according to the Bible; you repent of your sin and accept Jesus as Savior and Lord; have a person relationship with Him.

again, your limited, prejudice and hate filled view, is not that of all christains, and instead of accepting that there may be other opinions on the subject you make the judgenment that they are "not on the road to heaven"

judging people the way you do surely isn't putting you on the road to heaven either, possibly if you recognized it as the sin it is, and repented, but you certainly aren't doing that......

 

[PsyOps]

2A, that's an uncalled for insult, and you have absolutely no right to tell me whether I am a Christian or not. I have read the Bible front to cover (and couple of extra books than you have, because your King James decided to cut some out). I read the 10,000 references to helping the poor and the references to being stewards of the earth and to loving peace. Jesus was sent to teach us peace and how to care for each other. Yes, he did discuss sexual immorality, but that was a footnote to his greater message of love. Falwell should have focused on that and not thrown red meat to people such as yourselves regarding homosexuality and abortion.

(And maybe Falwell should have talked about the death penalty, wars, and the lack of health as being against the culture of life as well).

I think it's dangerous, as a Christian, to think any part of what Christ said (sexual immorality, anger, etc...) as a footnote. Every word from God ties together and makes up the whole of God’s word. The Word, as we know it, you cannot extract pieces from it and the whole of the Word stand.

Who are you to decide what Falwell was to do or not do? God will judge Falwell. A lot of people came to God through Falwell’s ministry. I wouldn’t assume for one second that any of these people wont see paradise because of the controversial nature of Falwell. So, on an even keel, what have you done to bring people to God versus Falwell?

 

[Midnightrider]

I think it's dangerous, as a Christian, to think any part of what Christ said (sexual immorality, anger, etc...) as a footnote. Every word from God ties together and makes up the whole of God’s word. The Word, as we know it, you cannot extract pieces from it and the whole of the Word stand.

Who are you to decide what Falwell was to do or not do? God will judge Falwell. A lot of people came to God through Falwell’s ministry. I wouldn’t assume for one second that any of these people wont see paradise because of the controversial nature of Falwell. So, on an even keel, what have you done to bring people to God versus Falwell?

Is that the same for say David Koresh? a lot of people came to god through him too.

 

[2ndAmendment]

again, your limited, prejudice and hate filled view, is not that of all christains, and instead of accepting that there may be other opinions on the subject you make the judgenment that they are "not on the road to heaven"

judging people the way you do surely isn't putting you on the road to heaven either, possibly if you recognized it as the sin it is, and repented, but you certainly aren't doing that......

You know me? If you did, you would know that you are posting is a bunch of tripe. I don't hate anyone. I dislike your Internet persona. I might like you in person, but I doubt it. So you are judging me saying I hate people. I don't hate homosexuals. I hate homosexual behavior. The Bible does not say God hates homosexuals; It says He hates homosexual behavior.

Matthew 5:17-48

17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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21"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'

22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

23"Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,

24leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.

25"Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.

26"Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.

27"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';

28but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

29"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

30"If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

31"It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE';

32but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

33"Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.'

34"But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,

35or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.

36"Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.

37"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil.

38"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'

39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.

41"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.

42"Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

43"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'

44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

46"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

47"If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

48"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

I am not perfect, yet. God is still working on me, but when He sees me and every other of His children, those that have accepted Jesus as Savior and lord, He sees Jesus' perfection and not my imperfection.