"Gays" - tell them the Truth
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Wickedwrench
Stubborn and opinionated
Pete said:
That was sooooooo wrong.However, I feel that juggling another man's boyz is wrong.
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dems4me
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Pete said:
Keep sparx out of this
I understand what he is trying to say, but I see heterosexuals kissing and being affectionate a heck of a lot more than I see gay people doing it :shrug: It wouldn't have stood out at Disney if two people were kissing of opposite sex as it woudl have when it struck a nerve seeing same sex people kissing at Disney world. My take on gay parades and stuff like that is to help those come out of closets and not feel isolated against the world and to let them know they are not alone... they are not the only gay person in the world and its an OK thing...Whatever, I'm done with this debate that always starts the same and ends the same (at least for this month...
)Enough..... as AC/DC said - its overbeaten.
As y'all were...
the wheels on the bus go round and round round and round round and round the wheels on the bus go round and round round and round 
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dems4me
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Homesick said:
Is he happy?
BuddyLee
Football addict
If you were not happy with what you have chosen then wouldn't you choose the alternative? I believe he believes he is what he is, however, involved with the influence of ignoramus's he is not happy with the way his life has led him. Also, one loser gay uncle doesn't mean all gays are unfortunate.Homesick said:
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
How would that work? Would St. Peter show the male souls a photo of Russell Crowe shirtless?virgovictoria said:
That's my question, too. Why should anyone's religious beliefs apply to other people? I see that as an attempt to define and control other people, even if it's with the best of intentions. My religious beliefs apply only to me and to no one else.
It gets down to is God real? Is the Bible True? Christians have faith that God is God and the Bible is His word. Most Christians have more than just faith. They can tell you of a life changing event when they came to really know Jesus as Savior and Lord. If they can't, well ... who knows? :shrug:Tonio said:
Christians were instructed by Jesus to go into all the world and proclaim the Truth. It was the last instruction given before He ascended into heaven. That is what I, in my small way, am trying to do. For me to do less would to be forsaking what Jesus instructed us to do.
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dems4me
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Christy said:Dear 2A.
You need to follow my lead and NEVER, EVER, under any circumstances read, or reply to anything posted by Dems.
Sorry Dems.
That'll work for me
C
czygvtwkr
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ceo_pte said:
Personally I dont want people like you shoving your religion in my face any more than I want a gay person shoving their homosexuality in my face.
I view Christian zelots and flambiontly gay in your face types with the same regard, they both annoy me.
Chasey_Lane
Salt Life
Are you implying the first thing that pops into your head when you hear the term "homosexual" is AIDS?Railroad said:
If so, you're soooooo stuck in the 80's and need some schoolin'.
and me
I rarely get into religious discussions because they usually incite me beyond reason. This topic is is no exception, but I just can't let it go this time because it hits home.
I've seen it posted time and again by Christians that say they believe every word of the Bible, but then they say they don't wish to harm towards gays. What about this?
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
It sure looks like the Bible is preaching to kill gays. And further:
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
This God sure doesn't seem to be a very loving or forgiving one.
There are a lot of other things in the Bible that bother me. What about this?
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If your kid hits you, you have to kill them.
Attention, all cheaters:
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Curtains for you, too.
Anybody work on Sundays?
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Oopsie.
And in the Bible slavery is a GOOD thing:
Slaves, obey your human masters in everything, not only when being watched, as currying favor, but in simplicity of heart, fearing the Lord. (Colossians 3:22 NAB)
Wives, take note:
Wives, be subordinate to your husbands, as is proper in the Lord. (Colossians 3:18 NAB)
Sure thing.
I just find the hypocrisy of picking and choosing what to follow and NOT to follow in the Bible to be truly astonishing. According to this, a whole lot of women including ME should be dead:
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Do you believe every single word of the Bible, none at all, or pick and choose what suits you? If you believe every word, then you'd best believe in slavery, be prepared to kill your children, and marry a virgin among a host of other things. If you pick and choose, look up hypocrisy and get back to me.
Now back to the original topic about gays. I have several close friends and many acquaintences who are gay. I love them for the person they are, NOT their sexual orientation. What they do in their bedroom is none of my business. I do believe no one would voluntarily CHOOSE to be gay and be subjected to the hate and loathing flung upon them on a daily basis.
If this attitude makes me a non-Christian, so be it. I can look in the mirror and be at peace with myself knowing that I love all others without conditions, with great compassion, and with a humility for the love they give back to me ten-fold. With that, it makes me the richest person on earth and I am eternally grateful for that. To me, THAT is what life and LIVING is all about.
I've seen it posted time and again by Christians that say they believe every word of the Bible, but then they say they don't wish to harm towards gays. What about this?
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
It sure looks like the Bible is preaching to kill gays. And further:
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
This God sure doesn't seem to be a very loving or forgiving one.
There are a lot of other things in the Bible that bother me. What about this?
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If your kid hits you, you have to kill them.
Attention, all cheaters:
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Curtains for you, too.
Anybody work on Sundays?
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Oopsie.
And in the Bible slavery is a GOOD thing:
Slaves, obey your human masters in everything, not only when being watched, as currying favor, but in simplicity of heart, fearing the Lord. (Colossians 3:22 NAB)
Wives, take note:
Wives, be subordinate to your husbands, as is proper in the Lord. (Colossians 3:18 NAB)
Sure thing.
I just find the hypocrisy of picking and choosing what to follow and NOT to follow in the Bible to be truly astonishing. According to this, a whole lot of women including ME should be dead:
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Do you believe every single word of the Bible, none at all, or pick and choose what suits you? If you believe every word, then you'd best believe in slavery, be prepared to kill your children, and marry a virgin among a host of other things. If you pick and choose, look up hypocrisy and get back to me.
Now back to the original topic about gays. I have several close friends and many acquaintences who are gay. I love them for the person they are, NOT their sexual orientation. What they do in their bedroom is none of my business. I do believe no one would voluntarily CHOOSE to be gay and be subjected to the hate and loathing flung upon them on a daily basis.
If this attitude makes me a non-Christian, so be it. I can look in the mirror and be at peace with myself knowing that I love all others without conditions, with great compassion, and with a humility for the love they give back to me ten-fold. With that, it makes me the richest person on earth and I am eternally grateful for that. To me, THAT is what life and LIVING is all about.
Of course you realize that much of what you post were the laws for the Jews right? Jewish law != commandments from God. There is a difference.
I believe every word of the Bible.
Just because men and women choose not to follow their Biblical roles does not make it right. Christian women are instructed to obey their husbands and Christian husbands are instructed to love their wife as Jesus loves the church being willing to lay down our life for them as He did for the church (body of believers).
I believe every word of the Bible.
Just because men and women choose not to follow their Biblical roles does not make it right. Christian women are instructed to obey their husbands and Christian husbands are instructed to love their wife as Jesus loves the church being willing to lay down our life for them as He did for the church (body of believers).
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