Georgia OKs Bible Classes, Commandments

Kerad

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Ken King said:
Religion is in fact a part of human and world history, to ignore it provides an incomplete view of our world. Personally, I see no harm to included it in our public education system as long as dictating or preaching a specific religion isn't allowed.

DING DING DING...we have a winner!!!!!

And exactly...please tell...how would we ensure this? Do we have one teacher of each religion sitting in the class? I'm guessing we would prolly have about 50 different teachers required to represent all of the religions...if not much, much more.

Or do we have one teacher who doesn't believe in any religion at all? He's just there to run the filmstrip (old-school reference)...and then say that he can't answer any questions afterwards?

Once again....best solution: go to the "church" of your choice to learn the religion of your choice.
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Kerad said:
How does "Muslum Extremeism 101" sound?
If they have enough people to fill the elective class and they do not teach/promote illegal activities, I have no problem with that.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Kerad said:
DING DING DING...we have a winner!!!!!

And exactly...please tell...how would we ensure this? Do we have one teacher of each religion sitting in the class? I'm guessing we would prolly have about 50 different teachers required to represent all of the religions...if not much, much more.

Or do we have one teacher who doesn't believe in any religion at all? He's just there to run the filmstrip (old-school reference)...and then say that he can't answer any questions afterwards?

Once again....best solution: go to the "church" of your choice to learn the religion of your choice.
I would say that given today's society it would be self-policed by the students. And I would be even more willing to bet that the school board as well as the school administration would be extremely vigilant as to the class activities to avoid potential litigation.
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Kerad said:
Who's funding it?
To me, it doesn't matter who's paying for it. My taxes pay for soooooo many things I don't like. Why should this be any different.


:jameo: WE'RE PAYING FOR KIDS TO LEARN SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN! :jameo:
 

Kerad

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ylexot said:
To me, it doesn't matter who's paying for it. My taxes pay for soooooo many things I don't like. Why should this be any different.


:jameo: WE'RE PAYING FOR KIDS TO LEARN SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN! :jameo:

If your kids are so interested in it, take 'em to "church". Or CCD. Or Sunday school, or put 'em in a full blown"Catholic school"...or whatever school the religion of your choice provides.
 

Kerad

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Ken King said:
I would say that given today's society it would be self-policed by the students. And I would be even more willing to bet that the school board as well as the school administration would be extremely vigilant as to the class activities to avoid potential litigation.

:rolleyes:

Uh-huh. Okay.

Please explain how the school administration would ensure that evey religion is being represented in this public-funded elective class.

That response is pretty frakkin' weak.
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Kerad said:
If your kids are so interested in it, take 'em to "church". Or CCD. Or Sunday school, or put 'em in a full blown"Catholic school"...or whatever school the religion of your choice provides.
I look at it this way...electives should be "consumer-driven". If there is enough demand for a topic, it should be made available. I don't care what the topic is as long as it does not promote/teach illegal activities.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Kerad said:
:rolleyes:

Uh-huh. Okay.

Please explain how the school administration would ensure that evey religion is being represented in this public-funded elective class.

That response is pretty frakkin' weak.
I would say that the administrations responsibility would be nothing more than to make sure that it does not turn in to teaching of a specific religion.

Beyond that it was my understanding that the class is designed to study the Bible and possibly other religious writings, do they have to ensure that every version of the Bible ever written is included and that all religious teachings are included or would it be those that the students bring forth interest in?

Why does this have you shaking in your boots?
 

Kerad

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ylexot said:
I look at it this way...electives should be "consumer-driven". If there is enough demand for a topic, it should be made available. I don't care what the topic is as long as it does not promote/teach illegal activities.

Consumer-driven, and consumer paid for. Don't use my taxes to pay for religious studie, which already get a free ride.
 

Kerad

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Ken King said:
I would say that the administrations responsibility would be nothing more than to make sure that it does not turn in to teaching of a specific religion.

Beyond that it was my understanding that the class is designed to study the Bible and possibly other religious writings, do they have to ensure that every version of the Bible ever written is included and that all religious teachings are included or would it be those that the students bring forth interest in?

Why does this have you shaking in your boots?


Oh...I'm not shaking in my boots. I have no kids...hopefully never will...and most certainly would not make 'em live in Georgia.

I'm just a bit sick of the Radical Right looking for more breaks than they've already been given. Churches, Religious schools, and religious classes are given a tax-exempt status for a reason. That reason is that they are not federally...or state, funded. Once you start teaching religious studies in tax-sponsored venues...I have a problem. Unless it meets the criteria I have (on many occasions) written about.

For the last time: If you want to teach you kids religion...take 'em to "church"..or whatever you religion of choice calls it.

It's not that frakking difficult.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Kerad said:
Oh...I'm not shaking in my boots. I have no kids...hopefully never will...and most certainly would not make 'em live in Georgia.

I'm just a bit sick of the Radical Right looking for more breaks than they've already been given. Churches, Religious schools, and religious classes are given a tax-exempt status for a reason. That reason is that they are not federally...or state, funded. Once you start teaching religious studies in tax-sponsored venues...I have a problem. Unless it meets the criteria I have (on many occasions) written about.

For the last time: If you want to teach you kids religion...take 'em to "church"..or whatever you religion of choice calls it.

It's not that frakking difficult.
What about the kids of parents that hold similar beliefs as you and they are interested in learning about the Bible? How do we feed their interest or allow them to decide whether any religious dogma is somethnig that they might benefit from? And again aren't these writings a part of history and weren't they the basis for much of the cultural development and beliefs of our world?

As an aside, do you own or possess a Bible?
 

Kerad

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Homesick said:
I live in Georgia.

What are the many reasons?

Nothin' personal. I have spent years in Florida, Georgia, and N.C.. I now live here in So. MD...and I wish I was one state north, (PA,),.

Though I would have no worries liiving the rest of my days in Cary/Raleigh N.C.. :yay:
 

Kerad

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Ken King said:
What about the kids of parents that hold similar beliefs as you and they are interested in learning about the Bible? How do we feed their interest or allow them to decide whether any religious dogma is somethnig that they might benefit from? And again aren't these writings a part of history and weren't they the basis for much of the cultural development and beliefs of our world?

As an aside, do you own or possess a Bible?

How many times...honestly...must I post this until you get this hard-wired into your brain?

If you want to teach your kids religion...take 'em to "church"
 
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Kerad

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Homesick said:
No worries, wouldn't have taken your dislikes personally. Just curious. I too have lived in Southern Maryand, Florida and for now, Georgia.


I lived in Clearwater/Tampa for 3 years...N.C. (different USAF bases) for a total of 8 years...and Marietta , GA, for a couple.

I guess it depends where you are "from"..as to where you want to be.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Kerad said:
How many times...honestly...must I post this until you get this hard-wired into your brain?

If you want to teach your kids religion...take 'em to "church"
Probably as many times as it takes me to get you to realize that religion has and does play a part in our world and our history. And as long as public schools aren't pushing religion or converting people of differing beliefs the study of religious documents, including the Bible, shouldn't be banned nor should it be required but tolerated for these types of elective classes.
 

Kerad

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Ken King said:
Probably as many times as it takes me to get you to realize that religion has and does play a part in our world and our history. And as long as public schools aren't pushing religion or converting people of differing beliefs the study of religious documents, including the Bible, shouldn't be banned nor should it be required but tolerated for these types of elective classes.

Ok, Ken....I'll bite. I have no idea what religion you follpw...or where your kids (if you have any) go to school. So..let me assume you have have kids..let me assume they go to school...and let me assume that you take them to "church".

Alot of assumptions...I know.

That said...how do your children learn of your faith? Do you tell them about it personally? Do you take them to church/Sunday school/ CCD/ Temple/ any religious study courses? If so..how does that get paid for? Do you donate money to the church/school that provides that instruction?

If so...do you also donate money to the other religious schools (of differing faiths than your own)?
 

FredFlash

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Ken King said:
Religion has and does play a part in our world and our history.

Duh! How long did it take for you to figure that out? The issue is not the teaching of the History of Religion. The issue is classes on the Bible. How do you teach a class about the Bible with out taking cognizance of the duty which we owe to our Creator?

Back in the day, the only thing the Protestants could agree on for the common schools was the reading of non-controversial passages from the King James Bible with no comment. When the Catholics began to attend the common schools all hell broke loose because the Catholics objected to the use of the King James Bible.

Presented below are the Cincinnati School Board's reasons for prohibiting "religious instruction, and the reading of religious books, including the Holy Bible...in the Common Schools of Cincinnati..."

Why The Cincinnati Board of Education Prohibited the Reading of the Holy Bible in the
Common Schools of Cincinnati in 1869


And said defendants further answering, say that the citizens of Cincinnati, who are taxed for the support of the schools under the management of said Board of Education, and all of whom are equally entitled to the benefits thereof by having their children instructed therein, are very much divided in opinion and practice upon matters connected with religious belief, worship and education; that a considerable number thereof are Israelites who reject the Christian religion altogether, and believe only in the inspired truth of what is known as the Old Testament, and this only in the original Hebrew tongue, and such other religious truths and worship as are perpetuated in their body by tradition; that also, that many of said citizens do not believe the writings embraced in the Bible to be entitled to be considered as containing an authoritative declaration of religious truth; a still greater number of said citizens together with their children are members of the Roman Catholic Church, and conscientiously believe in its doctrines, faith and forms of worship, and that by said church the version of the scriptures referred to in the petition, is taught and believed to be incorrect as a translation and incomplete by reason of its omission of a part of the books held by such church to be an integral portion of the inspired canon; and furthermore, that the scriptures ought not to be read indiscriminately, in as much as said church has divine authority as the only infallible teacher and interpreter of the same, and that the reading of the same without note or comment, and without being properly expounded by the only authorized teachers and interpreters thereof, is not only not beneficial to the children in said schools, but likely to lead to the adoption of dangerous errors, irreligious faith, practice and worship, and that by reason thereof the practice of reading the King James' version of the Bible, commonly and only received as inspired and true by the Protestant religious sects, in the presence and hearing of Roman Catholic children, is regarded by the members of the Roman Catholic Church as contrary to their rights of conscience, and that such practice as heretofore pursued has had the necessary effect to prevent the attendance of large numbers of children of those who are members of said church, who, in consequence thereof have erected, and now maintain, separate schools at their own expense, in which there are enrolled and taught a number, about two-thirds of the number of those who are enrolled and taught in the schools under the management of said Board of Education; that also there are other religious sects and denominations and bodies of citizens who either do not regard the Bible as the authoritative source of religious truth, or who regard themselves as possessed of the only true sense thereof; that furthermore, a large number of persons in this community who are ready and qualified to act-as teachers in said public schools object to the reading of the Bible in the version in use (or, indeed, in any version without note or comment) on conscientious grounds, and are thereby precluded from employment as teachers in said schools; that in consideration of these facts said Board of Education has concluded that it was not possible for it to take upon itself any instruction in religion, and that it is neither right nor expedient to continue in use in said public schools the reading of any version of the Bible as a religious exercise, or any other religious exercise whatever, and therefore has passed the resolutions now complained of by the plaintiffs.

The 1869 School Board resolution that prompted the law suit read:

"Resolved, That religious instruction, and the reading of religious books, including the Holy Bible, are prohibited in the Common Schools of Cincinnati, it being the true object and intent of this rule to allow the children of the parents of all sects and opinions, in matters of faith and worship, to enjoy alike the benefit of the Common School fund. "Resolved, That so much of the regulations on the course of study and text books in the Intermediate and District Schools (page 213, Annual Report), as reads as follows: 'The opening exercises in every department shall commence by reading a portion of the Bible by or under the direction of the teacher, and appropriate singing by the pupils, be repealed."

 
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