God love YOU!
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Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
Nicole_in_somd said:
I try to attend church every Sunday, I also attend an Adult Sunday School class as well, which I go to prior to the church service.
From our readings and discussions, I would say your first statement is unequivocally true. As 2ndA already said, we're all sinners, that's not going to change; never has and never will. When you do find yourself committing a sin, you should acknowledge that fact, and then ask the Lord for forgiveness.
Yes, you have to really make an effort to not revisit that same sin, whether it's a vow to yourself and God, or to another(like confessing to a priest).
I'm not that self-righteous, where I'm going to say I have not revisited a past sin, but I do immediately recognize I've done it again, and say out loud "Father forgive me, I should know better."(for example)
Maybe one of these days, I'll be free from committing that particular sin, but like 2ndA again said earlier, there are more sins you're likely guilty of, maybe not even aware of.
It may be hard to accept, but even those in prison for the most heinous of crimes are said to receive redemption from the Lord IF they really mean what they say when they confess their sin(s) before God.
As I stated earlier, there's only one sin you can never be forgiven of: blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There is a text in the Old Testament to that concern.
Midnightrider
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I've never understood that. "kill, rape and torture each other all you want, and ill love you, but don't talk bad about me, i'll never forgive you and it gets you a ticket straight to hell!"Penn said:
yeah, sounds like a kind, considerate and just god to me
J
JPC, Sr.
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Love does not mean liking the person. Christ sure did not like those that hung him on the cross but he forgave them anyway.
Then later Rome destroyed the whole town.
Nicole_in_somd said:
Love does not mean liking the person. Christ sure did not like those that hung him on the cross but he forgave them anyway.Then later Rome destroyed the whole town.
supersurfer
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It's in the NT. I've committed that one too.Penn said:
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
wxtornado said:
That there is a deep one to explain. Some religions (presbyterian, for example, I think) say that God already knows what you're going to do, ie., whether or not you'll accept the Lord as your Savior, etc. They accept Free Will as a possibility, but do not put that much faith in it. God knows the entire plan, and nothing you can do can change the course of your lifeplans.
Others, such a methodists, say Free Will comes into play here more strongly. Something can or might happen in your life to make you see things differently, thus changing the way you view religion, faith, and the way you conduct your life accordingly. God still knows the plan in the long run, but leaves a little room for you to change, or be changed.
I know many people that are wondering what purpose in life God has in store for them. Stick around, God will reveal it to you in time.
Does that make any sense?
Patch
The Pirate
Nicole_in_somd said:
Because we don't follow manufacturer's instructions. God created us and told us how we should live in the Bible. But we don't listen to him, and ignore what the Bible says, and live as we want to live, and suffer for it. He created us and is infinitely more knowledgeable that us, and he knows what's best for us.
Nicole_in_somd said:
Faith is not blind. It is based mainly on God's Word and the witness of the Holy Spirit in a Christian's heart. But also the testimony of history and the testimony of science supports the trustworthiness of the Bible. However, if we could see heaven with our eyes, there would be no need for faith.
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
One had nothing to do with the other. Politically, Christ was crucified by Rome through pressure from the Sanhedrin. Jerulsalem wasn't sacked until 3 and a half decades later in response to the rebellion in 66 AD.JPC said:
Then later Rome destroyed the whole town.
Midnightrider
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on blind faith, Fiath is blind, especialy religious faith. No one has proof of the spritual side of things, so you have to just believe or not.Patch said:
As for science support the bible, i think the most you could agrue is that science supports that certain events described in the bible may have taken place. But many of these are also described in other, older documents and stories.
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
Penn said:
But I'm still locked into there being no choice since my action is already known.
Notice the word "action". I am relegated to performing an action, nothing more. It is no longer a choice because despite choice "A" and "B" standing before me, I have no power to choose "B" if God has already foreseen me as "choosing" "A".
I might think I have a choice, but no power in existence or beyond can compel me to "choose" "B", if God has already seen me as having selected "A". This was known before I was even born, before my parents were born, before existence existed. I am essentially running the "He Selects "A"" program.
If you believe such constraints culminate in some sort of a real "volitional free will", have at it. I think the contradiction is very self-evident.
wxtornado said:
:braincramp:
Okay, I'll put theBuddyLee said:Basically, no destiny. Free will baby.
in next time! 
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
wxtornado said:
Hmmmm, no disrespect intended, but what if your view is too narrowly interpreted?
What if God knows that something will happen to you in your life that could or might change your thinking? He's gonna let it happen, right?
The thing is YOU don't know what lies in store for you, until you come to that fork in the road. He may know which way you'll turn, but you might not know until that time and space arrives.
And that turn may make all the difference in the rest of your life, eh?
You are right the repentance is admitting your sins to God and asking for forgiveness from Him through His sacrifice on the cross. But what is repentance? Is it saying your sorry to cover your assets or is it truly being sorry for not doing God's will and not wanting to disobey again? I submit that God knows the attitude of your heart and whether you are saying your sorry just for insurance or you are saying you are sorry because you really are.MMDad said:
Might you, me, and others do the same wrong thing, sin, again after saying you are sorry and receiving forgiveness? Yes. Will God still forgive us? Yes. But it is the attitude of the heart that is key.
When God forgives us, He no longer remembers our sins. Why? Because He is forgetful? No. He chooses to forget.
Yes, we have the ten commandments along a lot of other ordinances given to the Jews at Mt. Sinai. If we all lived by those few ordinances given, we would not need the many thousands of laws we have on the books of the legal system.Nicole_in_somd said:
Are you an adult? If your mom told you to do something and you wanted to do something else, would you do what you mom wants or what you want? If you didn't do what your mom wanted, would she be pleased with you? She would still love you, but would she be likely to go out and buy you a new car because you did what you wanted instead of what she instructed?
As a child, did you do things your dad told you not to do? Did he punish you?
God does not bless disobedience. God forgives sin. He does not keep us from suffering the consequences of that sin.
A murdered can repent of his sins. God will forgive the murderer, but the murderer will still have to be subject to the consequences of the actions committed; prison term, death sentence. But the murderer can be forgiven and can enter the kingdom of heaven. Again, attitude of the heart.
We are to have the faith of a child.
It takes humility for an adult to set aside "knowledge" and have faith like a child, but that is the kind of faith we must have. Blind faith? I'd say that it was not until I was "blinded" by faith that my eyes were truly opened. Spiritual things cannot be apprised by eyes that are full of earth.