Gospel of Inclusion.

[tommyjones]

He came to that which was His own (Jews) but His own (Jews) did not receive Him, Yet to those who believed (Jews and Gentiles) in His name, he gave the right to become children of God.... (John 1.12)

and there you have it, a gospel written by someone who was trying to say that "if you dont believe jesus is god then you are not one of gods children" and later attributed to john to give it credence.

how do you know this annonymus work was inspired by the godly spirit and not the ungodly?

 

[fredcaudle]

and there you have it, a gospel written by someone who was trying to say that "if you dont believe jesus is god then you are not one of gods children" and later attributed to john to give it credence.

how do you know this annonymus work was inspired by the godly spirit and not the ungodly?

same way you know what you believe was thought up by man. FAITH.

Who wrote your beliefs?

 

[tommyjones]

same way you know what you believe was thought up by man. FAITH.

Who wrote your beliefs?

noone needed to write my beliefs, my beliefs are my own.

Religion is deceptive, the word of God speaks.

well if an annonymus man wrote the gospel trying to convince others of his beliefs, that makes it more religon to me that word of god.

 

[JPC sr]

Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

Revelation 22.15... "outside"... guess it takes eternity to refine those who practice falsehood to become repentant disciples after they die.

I agree that it probably will take a very long time for the worse cases of humanity to come around and God will not use force so it could take a very long time for some to reach salvation even in the Judgement Day.

Revelations even says some will show repentance but then turn again after the Devil is let loose because the children of God are a stubborn bunch.

It also says the Devil will be forever tormented by the righteous fire and that the Devil will be the one everlasting reminder to us all of the debauchery that we came out of.

Sin is forgiven but never forgotten and that is what makes sin horrible.

Every knee will TRULY bow and every tongue TRULY confess... how sad to do this after one dies instead of taking the blessing now and having the right to become children of God.

That is very true and I agree it is a very sad reality.

People do need to repent and do right now today but few will really even try.

[Your Scriptures listed in your messages did NOT say there is no hell (fire, weeping and gnashing of teeth) just said things we do as a result of believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of our life.)

Again, I do not say there is no hell because hell only means the common grave.

It is a matter of interpretation, and a matter of faith in a loving God and not a torturing tyrant of a God.

The belief in that burning torturing "hell" is believing in a monster as their God.

 

[fredcaudle]

noone needed to write my beliefs, my beliefs are my own.






well if an annonymus man wrote the gospel trying to convince others of his beliefs, that makes it more religon to me that word of god.

You sound like Al Gore... you created the "I exist, therefore I am" and evolution, and atheism... etc. etc. etc.?

We are shaped by what we see and read.

 

[fredcaudle]

I agree that it probably will take a very long time for the worse cases of humanity to come around and God will not use force so it could take a very long time for some to reach salvation even in the Judgement Day.

Revelations even says some will show repentance but then turn again after the Devil is let loose because the children of God are a stubborn bunch.

It also says the Devil will be forever tormented by the righteous fire and that the Devil will be the one everlasting reminder to us all of the debauchery that we came out of.

Sin is forgiven but never forgotten and that is what makes sin horrible. That is very true and I agree it is a very sad reality.

People do need to repent and do right now today but few will really even try. Again, I do not say there is no hell because hell only means the common grave.

It is a matter of interpretation, and a matter of faith in a loving God and not a torturing tyrant of a God.

The belief in that burning torturing "hell" is believing in a monster as their God.

It is a matter of interpretation, and a matter of faith in a loving God and not a torturing tyrant of a God.

It is a matter of interpretation based on belief.... "God is love", "God is Spirit", "God is a God of wrath"... all true in Scripture.

 

[tommyjones]

You sound like Al Gore... you created the "I exist, therefore I am" and evolution, and atheism... etc. etc. etc.?

We are shaped by what we see and read.

you asked who wrote down my beliefs, and i say no one and i never said that others thoughts haven't affected my beliefs. but at the same time none of them (or me) represented their ideas as those of god to make them carry more weight or convince others they are true.......

 

[fredcaudle]

you asked who wrote down my beliefs, and i say no one and i never said that others thoughts haven't affected my beliefs. but at the same time none of them (or me) represented their ideas as those of god to make them carry more weight or convince others they are true.......

"none of them (or me) represented their ideas as those of god to make them carry more weight or convice others they are true..."

Why do write and say so many things then? If atheists or Christians are not trying to convice, why so many arguments? Why would evolutionists keep other type of origin teaching out of schools and such then? Why not let everyone choose?

Everybody wants everybody to agree with them.... it is guised in God, gods, man, government, and such. When I say something that burns against your belief, you immediately fire back (just like I do) ... and that is trying to "convince" others or me that I'm wrong and by default you must be right. (The reverse is true towards me too.)

 

[JPC sr]

Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

It is a matter of interpretation, and a matter of faith in a loving God and not a torturing tyrant of a God.

It is a matter of interpretation based on belief.... "God is love", "God is Spirit", "God is a God of wrath"... all true in Scripture.

Amen, and that is so very true and well said too.

The true creator God is said to be like our Father that cares greatly about His children, and when anyone does wrong then we get punished and often times it is a severe punishment,

but like a loving Father the real God gives punishments that lead to repentance and that teaches the errant children to act right,

but the Father does not force it onto us.

Punishment might look and feel like force but it is only to stop the wrongdoing, while for doing right we must do the repenting ourselves or else it would be worthless.

Many if not most of humanity will not repent until the Judgement Day and then there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[tommyjones]

"none of them (or me) represented their ideas as those of god to make them carry more weight or convice others they are true..."

Why do write and say so many things then? If atheists or Christians are not trying to convice, why so many arguments? Why would evolutionists keep other type of origin teaching out of schools and such then? Why not let everyone choose?

Everybody wants everybody to agree with them.... it is guised in God, gods, man, government, and such. When I say something that burns against your belief, you immediately fire back (just like I do) ... and that is trying to "convince" others or me that I'm wrong and by default you must be right. (The reverse is true towards me too.)

debating something is differnet than attributing writings to god's word.

you cliam your beliefs carry more weight bc they are gods word not religion.


if you want to debate why we debate thats a differnt argument....

 

[fredcaudle]

debating something is differnet than attributing writings to god's word.

you cliam your beliefs carry more weight bc they are gods word not religion.


if you want to debate why we debate thats a differnt argument....

"you cliam your beliefs carry more weight bc they are gods word not religion."

You claim your beliefs carry more weight because they have no "religious" tone or belief but come from man alone without a need for god.

debate: n (Webster; 1992) a formal argument conducted as a contest between opposing sides... [note this is definition 2 under noun] A contest is worthless without attributing words to god, gods, man, government, science

... afterall, if your opinion is not supported by anything than it has no weight, right? Making a claim for god or no gods cannot come from one or it is not recognized. The weight of atheists rests in philosophy, government, science, and history... these must be quoted in order to be recognized as "true" or "worthy of opinion" and so therefore would imply "weight" of value.

For man to say the Bible is not written by the Spirit of God... he must quote something to substantiate that claim, like "because man wrote it"... okay, who just wrote that claim? Another man!????? Kinda weird how that works isn't it...

So in the end, which "man" are we going to believe? We choose, and it is perfectly okay to choose.

 

[JPC sr]

Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

So, in context of the scripture you quoted, Matthew 6 in the same sermon (Matthew 6.15) does not mean anything... If I don't forgive, Jesus lied?

Matthew 6:14-15 link HERE mean in this present world - now, not after death, link HERE.

We have two different equations.

One is the commandments for life in this world,

and the second is principles that carry onto the next world.

On Judgement Day the conditions for humanity will be greatly improved.

Therefore the physical demands of this world will not exist in the next.

 

[fredcaudle]

Matthew 6:14-15 link HERE mean in this present world - now, not after death, link HERE.

We have two different equations.

One is the commandments for life in this world,

and the second is principles that carry onto the next world.

On Judgement Day the conditions for humanity will be greatly improved.

Therefore the physical demands of this world will not exist in the next.

Well, that is certainly convenient. Here's hoping it works out that way. (After all, we reap what we sow.)

 

[fredcaudle]

Well, that is certainly convenient. Here's hoping it works out that way. (After all, we reap what we sow.)

On Judgement Day the conditions for humanity will be greatly improved. Here's a picture of judgment day (I know, just written by men who were religious and trying to dupe everyone...)

Revelation 20:11-15 (NIV) Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

 

[godsbutterfly]

On Judgement Day the conditions for humanity will be greatly improved. Here's a picture of judgment day (I know, just written by men who were religious and trying to dupe everyone...)

Revelation 20:11-15 (NIV) Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

You are right that you're probably going to be told it's just religious propaganda. To me it is the infallible word of God and I believe God is not a man that He would lie - just as it is written. Even Satan knows the scriptures - he said so. He said "I know scripture more than all of you." It is about Faith. I don't like to "debate" God. It tends to make people not even hear what you're saying after awhile.The only way the issue will ever be settled for some is when the moment actually comes at the end of their life to face whatever comes next for them.

 

[fredcaudle]

You are right that you're probably going to be told it's just religious propaganda. To me it is the infallible word of God and I believe God is not a man that He would lie - just as it is written. Even Satan knows the scriptures - he said so. He said "I know scripture more than all of you." It is about Faith. I don't like to "debate" God. It tends to make people not even hear what you're saying after awhile.The only way the issue will ever be settled for some is when the moment actually comes at the end of their life to face whatever comes next for them.

Yeah, if we quote man (that man agrees with anyway) - it is truth... quote something like the Blble and look out! It truly is amazing how this one book has been debated, refuted, approved, disaproved, etc... but the book keeps going with 1,000's of translations that never change in meaning.

...anywho's, ...take care.

 

[Xaquin44]

but the book keeps going with 1,000's of translations that never change in meaning.

ummm if they never changed in meaning then they wouldn't be different translations.

 

[camily]

ummm if they never changed in meaning then they wouldn't be different translations.

They are just written differently to make it easier to understand for different people.

 

[Xaquin44]

They are just written differently to make it easier to understand for different people.

so they're written differently.

Meaning they're different.

 

[camily]

so they're written differently.

Meaning they're different.

No, it's the same meaning with different phasing.
Ex:John 3:16 (New American Standard Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16"For God so (A)loved the world, that He (B)gave His (C)only begotten Son, that whoever (D)believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.