Gospel of Inclusion.

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

Throughout the Bible God has used man to go to war for Him. God has destroyed cities (i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah) in very violent ways. God destroyed the entire world with a flood. Can't get more violent than that. Revelations (which you have admitted has no credibility) is a book revolving around the violent end of this world. Jesus used violence to drive the merchants from His temple. God is the final judge and will not hesitate to cleanse His creation through whatever means He sees fit (and He has ascribed His means clearly in the Bible).

You are in denial of these facts because you want to fit God into your little convenient mold.

I do not deny any of that but I do interpret it more correctly.

Since God is going to ressurect all those people and He has already worked out their full and complete salvation, then it is not really an act of violence at all.

We could call it mercy killing as that would be more accurate indeed.

 

[2ndAmendment]

JPC is a liar. He must be a pathological liar since he apparently does not understand that he is lying.

How he can read scripture and come up with what he believes is inconceivable by anyone who actually reads the Bible. Time and time again people post scripture and he comes up with some off the wall meaning that is so off base that one must wonder if he has any cognitive ability at all.

Jpc is only correct in his own confused mind.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

JPC is a liar. He must be a pathological liar since he apparently does not understand that he is lying.

How he can read scripture and come up with what he believes is inconceivable by anyone who actually reads the Bible. Time and time again people post scripture and he comes up with some off the wall meaning that is so off base that one must wonder if he has any cognitive ability at all.

Jpc is only correct in his own confused mind.

I just want to point out that "2A" is attacking me the messanger while he completely avoids the message and the subject.

That is what the religious leaders did to Jesus when they attacked Jesus to silence His message.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I just want to point out that "2A" is attacking me the messanger while he completely avoids the message and the subject.

That is what the religious leaders did to Jesus when they attacked Jesus to silence His message.

OK. Let me rephrase. The message you are proclaiming are lies. Better?

You proclaim a message that tickles the ears instead of proclaiming the Truth. The Bible says people like you will come in the last days, but we know you do not believe the Bible.

2 Timothy 4:3-4

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

 

[Marie]

He welcomes them to hell

But you do accept that the spiritually blind and deaf and those giving false statements and leading others astray - such one(s) must burn in the pits of Hell.

If that is not getting "upset" or particlarly "faulting" them (and me) by condemning to Hell, then it is just cold blooded hatred. But I do know the Orthodox version of "truth".

That Jesus and the saints and believers are to go to happiness and bliss in Heaven, while us sinners and defiant ones burn in the fires of Hell.

My eyes are wide open to that and I reject it completely. And I honestly denounce it all as false and incorrect.

Everybody gets saved and not even one rotten awful sinner gets lost.

He welcomes them to hell
Thomas Watson

"The prince of this world." John 16:11
The devil has a kingdom. His throne is set up in the hearts of men. Satan does not care for their purses--but their hearts! Satan's empire is very large. Most people in the world pay tribute to him.
His kingdom has two characters:
[1] Satan's kingdom is a kingdom of IMPIETY.
Nothing but sin goes on in his kingdom. Murder and heresy, lust and treachery, oppression and division--are the constant trade driven in his dominions. He is called "the unclean spirit."
Nothing else but iniquity is propagated in his kingdom.
[2] Satan's kingdom is a kingdom of SLAVERY.
He makes all his subjects--slaves. The sinner is held captive under the grim tyranny of the devil!
Satan is a tyrant--and a worse tyrant than any other! Other tyrants do but rule over the body: but Satan rules over the soul! He rides his captives--as we ride upon horses.
Other tyrants have some pity on their slaves.
Though they make them work in the galleys; yet they give them food, and let them have their hours for rest. But Satan is a merciless tyrant--who gives his slaves poison instead of food, and hurtful lusts to feed on! 1 Tim 6:9.
Nor will he let his slaves have any rest--he wearies them out to do his drudgery. "They weary themselves to commit iniquity." Jer 9:5.
When men have served him to their utmost strength--he welcomes them to hell with fire and brimstone! Thus he is the worst of tyrants.
Men are willing slaves to Satan! They will fight and die for him! Therefore he is not only called "the prince of this world," but "the god of this world" (2 Cor 4:4), to show what power he has over men's souls.
O let us pray that "they may come to their senses and escape the Devil's trap, having been captured by him to do his will." 2 Timothy 2:26

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

He welcomes them to hell
Thomas Watson

"The prince of this world." John 16:11
The devil has a kingdom. His throne is set up in the hearts of men. Satan does not care for their purses--but their hearts! Satan's empire is very large. Most people in the world pay tribute to him.
His kingdom has two characters:
[1] Satan's kingdom is a kingdom of IMPIETY.
Nothing but sin goes on in his kingdom. Murder and heresy, lust and treachery, oppression and division--are the constant trade driven in his dominions. He is called "the unclean spirit."
Nothing else but iniquity is propagated in his kingdom.
[2] Satan's kingdom is a kingdom of SLAVERY.
He makes all his subjects--slaves. The sinner is held captive under the grim tyranny of the devil!
Satan is a tyrant--and a worse tyrant than any other! Other tyrants do but rule over the body: but Satan rules over the soul! He rides his captives--as we ride upon horses.
Other tyrants have some pity on their slaves.
Though they make them work in the galleys; yet they give them food, and let them have their hours for rest. But Satan is a merciless tyrant--who gives his slaves poison instead of food, and hurtful lusts to feed on! 1 Tim 6:9.
Nor will he let his slaves have any rest--he wearies them out to do his drudgery. "They weary themselves to commit iniquity." Jer 9:5.
When men have served him to their utmost strength--he welcomes them to hell with fire and brimstone! Thus he is the worst of tyrants.
Men are willing slaves to Satan! They will fight and die for him! Therefore he is not only called "the prince of this world," but "the god of this world" (2 Cor 4:4), to show what power he has over men's souls.
O let us pray that "they may come to their senses and escape the Devil's trap, having been captured by him to do his will." 2 Timothy 2:26

Satan the Devil serves a Godly purpose in this world link HERE.

1 Corinthians 5:5, The Apostle Paul said about a sinner:

KJV: To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Satan works hell here on earth to the flesh - THEN - everybody gets saved on J-Day.

 

[Marie]

Nice try but you didnt do your homework!

Satan the Devil serves a Godly purpose in this world link HERE.

1 Corinthians 5:5, The Apostle Paul said about a sinner:

KJV: To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Satan works hell here on earth to the flesh - THEN - everybody gets saved on J-Day.

Hey nice try, but were you sleeping last night? Obviously you didnt do all the work to interpurt the veres. Remember the 5 steps?

So as you dont confuse anyone else with this verse taken out of context, heres what it really means.

1Co 5:5 - To deliver such an one - This was the highest degree of punishment in the Christian church; and we may observe, the passing this sentence was the act of the apostle, not of the Corinthians. To Satan - Who was usually permitted, in such cases, to inflict pain or sickness on the offender. For the destruction - Though slowly and gradually. Of the flesh - Unless prevented by speedy repentance.

<SUP>(5) The one who is excommunicated is delivered to the power of Satan, in that he is cast out of the house of God.
(c) What it is to be delivered to Satan the Lord himself declares when he says, "Let him be unto thee as a heathen and publican"; (Mat_18:17). That is to say, to be disfranchised and put out of the right and privileges of the city of Christ, which is the Church, outside of which Satan is lord and master. (6) The goal of excommunication is not to cast away the excommunicate that he should utterly perish, but that he may be saved, that is, that by this means his flesh may be tamed, that he may learn to live to the Spirit.

And for the millionth time, only those whose name is written in the lambs book of life will be in heaven, not everyone!And no not everyone name is in there!

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[JPC sr]

The big pic.

So as you dont confuse anyone else with this verse taken out of context, heres what it really means.

1Co 5:5 - To deliver such an one - This was the highest degree of punishment in the Christian church; and we may observe, the passing this sentence was the act of the apostle, not of the Corinthians. To Satan - Who was usually permitted, in such cases, to inflict pain or sickness on the offender. For the destruction - Though slowly and gradually. Of the flesh - Unless prevented by speedy repentance.

<SUP>(5) The one who is excommunicated is delivered to the power of Satan, in that he is cast out of the house of God.
(c) What it is to be delivered to Satan the Lord himself declares when he says, "Let him be unto thee as a heathen and publican"; (Mat_18:17). That is to say, to be disfranchised and put out of the right and privileges of the city of Christ, which is the Church, outside of which Satan is lord and master. (6) The goal of excommunication is not to cast away the excommunicate that he should utterly perish, but that he may be saved, that is, that by this means his flesh may be tamed, that he may learn to live to the Spirit.

And for the millionth time, only those whose name is written in the lambs book of life will be in heaven, not everyone!And no not everyone name is in there!

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Both "Marie" and whoever she is quoting has twisted that Bible verse way out of proportion.

What I said in my previous post is correct and true, and I gave a link to the text,

and see in my post I have it short and simple and easy to understand,

because it is easy to understand the Bible - while others try to make the scriptures complicated.

 

[Marie]

Both "Marie" and whoever she is quoting has twisted that Bible verse way out of proportion.

What I said in my previous post is correct and true, and I gave a link to the text,

and see in my post I have it short and simple and easy to understand,

because it is easy to understand the Bible - while others try to make the scriptures complicated.

Well congratts you understand scripture better than John Wesley, Mathew Henery, and the writters of the Geneva Bible.

Like I said you didnt do you homework, the coresponding verse is
<DIR>1Ti 1:20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
</DIR>Amazing Hugh?
REMEMBER THE INDUCTIVE METHOD OF STUDING SCRIPTURE?

Examining data to make a conclusion and then an application.
CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT!​

Step One:​

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Observe the text:
Look at the coresponding verses!
Who was Paul writting to the church of Corinth, Why to address division & disorder in the church.
Step Two: How wide is the river?
Not very!​

Step Three:​

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What is the principle?
Discipline that without the fellowship/support of other belivers, this mans left alone to face his sin and repent or that Satin would cause an infliction driving him to God and the disclipine of putting someone out of the church.​

Step Four:​

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Does the NT change my understanding?
NO​

Step Five:​

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Application:
A last resort means of dealing with a church member​

 

[2ndAmendment]

Everyone does not get saved. Everyone can, but everyone won't.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

Well congratts you understand scripture better than John Wesley, Mathew Henery, and the writters of the Geneva Bible.

This is true but they lived a long time ago and did not have the resources that we have today.

It does not mean they were stupid or such, they just did not have the info available as we do now.

Like I said you didnt do you homework, the coresponding verse is
<DIR>1Ti 1:20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
</DIR>Amazing Hugh?

Step Five: Application:
A last resort means of dealing with a church member

The point I made, and that text confirms, is that Satan is performing a necessary task.

Satan teaches the person not to "blaspheme" and then the person gets saved.

That is also the message of Judgement Day, that then everyone will believe and everyone gets saved.