Gospel of Inclusion.

[clevalley]

Yes, and "hell" meant the grave.
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Sorry - you're off base - Hell's translation in Hebrew is sheol - sheol is where dead people go in Hebrew, this is assumed "the grave" - but in today's translation, it would be the grave.

But supporting hell is a bad place with fire and screams, here you go;

Matthew 13:42: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Mark 9:43-48: And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched." The reference to fire is repeated three more times in the passage for emphasis.

Revelation 20:13-15: "...death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Revelation 21:8: "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." Brimstone is sulphur. In order for sulphur to form a lake, it must be molten. Thus, its temperature must be at or below 444.6 °C or 832 °F.

or you can research a bit from here, but you might need a Bible...

 

[2ndAmendment]

All of that will happen after death on Judgement Day link HERE.

On Judgement day everything will work out fine, and everyone will get saved at that time.

It sounds like a second chance but really it is a first chance because most people are just lost sheep and only on Judgement Day will they actually believe because then they will see and hear the truth without confusion.

You are totally wrong. The Bible says so, but you only believe in the gospel according to JPC, Sr.

After a person dies, there are no second chances. The time for acceptance of Jesus as Savior and Lord is in this life.

On the judgment day, every knee will bow and and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, but it will be too late for salvation for those who have had the chance in this life.

 

[2ndAmendment]

It is Jesus that needs us.

We are the children of God and we are very important indeed.

Each and every person is a valuable asset to God and not even one will be lost or forgotten.

John 3:16 KJV:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

On Judgement Day then everyone will believe and not even one rotten soul will be lost.

You are so spiritually wrong it is surprising that light even shines on you. On judgment day everyone will believe, but it will be too late for most according to the Bible. I'll believe the Bible over the gospel of JPC, Sr. every time.

 

[JPC sr]

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Sorry - you're off base - Hell's translation in Hebrew is sheol - sheol is where dead people go in Hebrew, this is assumed "the grave" - but in today's translation, it would be the grave.

Okay, so we do agree that the old Testement "hell" was only the common grave and not a firey torture of people.

Rock on.

But supporting hell is a bad place with fire and screams, here you go;

Matthew 13:42: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Mark 9:43-48: And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched." The reference to fire is repeated three more times in the passage for emphasis.

Revelation 20:13-15: "...death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Revelation 21:8: "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." Brimstone is sulphur. In order for sulphur to form a lake, it must be molten. Thus, its temperature must be at or below 444.6 °C or 832 °F.

or you can research a bit from here, but you might need a Bible...

Fire is a possitive symbol for the Holy Spirit and fire stands for the word of God and fire never ever means torturing people in a Hell because God loves His enemies and love does not ever means burn for all eternity link HERE.

God sent Jesus with a wonderful message of redemption and forgiveness and salvation for all of mankind.

Not even one nasty rotten sheep will be left or lost as we all will be saved unconditionally.

Even if you do call it "death of the soul" or "dead to God" the Apostle Paul in the Bible called it "dead to sin" and ONLY eternal life comes otherwise link HERE.

The "second death" in the "lake of fire" means "death to sin" and thereafter salvation for the worst of the worst sinners so then everybody gets saved.

 

[PsyOps]

Okay, I freely admit that I was mistaken about the word "Savior" being in the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible.

I had looked up "savior" in the online concordance and I never even thought about the old english wording and spelling so it is spelled with a "u" as "Saviour" in the KJV.

So this was my error and I did it.

But of course, my particular point that Jesus came to save mankind in the here and now on earth is still true and correct, and it was not directed at saving people from some "pits of a Hell" after people die.

I was wrong on the first part but the latter part was correct.

You are mistaken about a whole bunch of things. You completly dismissed everything else I posted in regard to Jesus' references to God's Kingdom and Jesus stating that His Kingdom is not of this earth and that we should give up all worldly possessions and take up the cross and follow Him. What does that mean? It means we would suffer the same fate. We would suffer as humans on this earth. You still didn't answer to how it is so many Christians suffer from cancer and other diseases on this earth? If Jesus came for the here and now how can there be so many Christians suffering HERE AND NOW? Answer... your assertion is false. Our reward is obtained in heaven.

 

[JPC sr]

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You are mistaken about a whole bunch of things. You completly dismissed everything else I posted in regard to Jesus' references to God's Kingdom and Jesus stating that His Kingdom is not of this earth and that we should give up all worldly possessions and take up the cross and follow Him. What does that mean? It means we would suffer the same fate. We would suffer as humans on this earth. You still didn't answer to how it is so many Christians suffer from cancer and other diseases on this earth? If Jesus came for the here and now how can there be so many Christians suffering HERE AND NOW? Answer... your assertion is false. Our reward is obtained in heaven.

You post like a spoiled pampered brat.

Christ died on the cross, so you think your Christians are to miss out on that kind of fun? I say not.

Life is hard on everybody and in the next life it will be even harder.

You ask for a "reward" in Heaven, there is no reward, no prize, we are only to get more living.

Everlasting life is an adventure, and drama, and a lot of hard work, and that is the reward - we get more and more stuff to do.

It is like a child growing up, and expecting that becoming an adult then life gets easier, and it does not.

As an adult the child must mature and life gets more complicated and more challenging and far more demanding.

Mankind are just children now, and on Judgement Day we grow up fast, and for those of us that prepare now will lead the way.

 

[PsyOps]

You post like a spoiled pampered brat.

Christ died on the cross, so you think your Christians are to miss out on that kind of fun? I say not.

Life is hard on everybody and in the next life it will be even harder.

You ask for a "reward" in Heaven, there is no reward, no prize, we are only to get more living.

Everlasting life is an adventure, and drama, and a lot of hard work, and that is the reward - we get more and more stuff to do.

It is like a child growing up, and expecting that becoming an adult then life gets easier, and it does not.

As an adult the child must mature and life gets more complicated and more challenging and far more demanding.

Mankind are just children now, and on Judgement Day we grow up fast, and for those of us that prepare now will lead the way.

Pampered brat? Oh........ I mean........

You haven't paid one bit of attention to anything I have written. I was clear on the suffering Christians would go through in this life.

The Bible doesn't say one thing about the next life being harder; in fact it says just the opposite. You enjoy making up your own facts just to keep

Read this very carefully from Revelation 21:

I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, God's dwelling is with the human race. He will dwell with them and they will be his people and God himself will always be with them as their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death or mourning, wailing or pain, for the old order has passed away." The one who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." Then he said, "Write these words down, for they are trustworthy and true." He said to me, "They are accomplished. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give a gift from the spring of life-giving water. The victor will inherit these gifts, and I shall be his God, and he will be my son. But as for cowards, the unfaithful, the depraved, murderers, the unchaste, sorcerers, idol-worshipers, and deceivers of every sort, their lot is in the burning pool of fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

Time to come clean now… Are you a Christian or a Satan Worshiper? You show all the signs of the latter.

 

[JPC sr]

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Read this very carefully from Revelation 21: [Link]

The text you quote are revealing:

Verse 4, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death or mourning, wailing or pain, for the old order has passed away."

This says no more pain and that shuts out the possiblily of Hell because the Orthodox deffinition of Hell is painful.

Verse 8, "But as for cowards, the unfaithful, the depraved, murderers, the unchaste, sorcerers, idol-worshipers, and deceivers of every sort, their lot is in the burning pool of fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

It says "second death" and not eternal life in Hell.

Death does not mean living.

The Apostle Paul explained that the second death means dead to sin link HERE and so all those negative things quoted above from Revelations 21:8, will all die with the sinner and the person will come out of the purifying fire as a new creature in Christ.

Everybody gets saved on the great Judgement Day.

Time to come clean now… Are you a Christian or a Satan Worshiper? You show all the signs of the latter.

Even Satan the Devil gets saved in the end.

Such as human demons like Adolf Hitler, then once the power is taken away from Satan and taken away from evil acting people - then they become harmless and God does love His enemies, link HERE.

They will still be upset and weeping with nashing of teeth for a long while but eventually it will work out fine.

 

[Marie]

The text you quote are revealing:
This says no more pain and that shuts out the possiblily of Hell because the Orthodox deffinition of Hell is painful.

Sorry Charlie, you have to look at when this is being said to take place.
By that point we will be able to see and think like Him, and rejoice over love ones in Hell, because its JUST. We will marvel over how JUST God is we will no longer have the same rationalization at that point that we do now!

People will no longer worry about JPC at that point, as with clear concious they did everything they could to get him to understand when there was still time!
The fact that you REJECT GOD and his WORD because it dosent meet with your aproval, you will one day recieve the justice for that rejection of the Holy Spirit ( The unpardonable Sin) and all the other souls that you confused and took with you, with the FALSE TEACHING of everyone gets saved in the end.

TRUE FRIENDS WILL LOVE YOU ENOUGH TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH EVEN IF IT HURTS! RATHER A BRUISED EGGO NOW, THEN AN ETERNITY IN HELL!

Here is the way Mathew Henry explains it!
The covenant, interest, and relation, that there are now between God and his people, will be filled up and perfected in heaven. They shall be his people; their souls shall be assimilated to him, filled with all the love, honour, and delight in God which their relation to him requires, and this will constitute their perfect holiness; and he will be their God: God himself will be their God; his immediate presence with them, his love fully manifested to them, and his glory put upon them, will be their perfect happiness; then he will fully answer the character of the relation on his part, as they shall do on their part.

The clocks ticking, how much time do you really have left? Are you really willing to gamble with the most valuable thing you have?

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"--Mark 8:36
"For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?"--Luke 9:25​

 

[JPC sr]

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Sorry Charlie, you have to look at when this is being said to take place.
By that point we will be able to see and think like Him, and rejoice over love ones in Hell, because its JUST. We will marvel over how JUST God is we will no longer have the same rationalization at that point that we do know!

That comment really knocks me out.

You have a God and Hell where you will "rejoice" over the vanquished.

This leaves me almost speachless.

It remind me of people acting Godly but by not having love (Charity in KJV) then you have nothing link HERE 1 Corinthians 13.

I tell you and all my choice, that I will burn in Hell with my comrades before I would ever bow to a tyrant and monster of a God as Orthodoxy claims.

 

[PsyOps]

The text you quote are revealing:
This says no more pain and that shuts out the possiblily of Hell because the Orthodox deffinition of Hell is painful. It says "second death" and not eternal life in Hell.

Wait a minute... You wrote here:

Life is hard on everybody and in the next life it will be even harder.

So what is it... do we live in eternal bliss or are our next lives going to "be even harder?" Once again you make it up as you go along.

Death does not mean living.

Really? Aw man... REALLY? Are you sure? Let me think about this a minute ... Death... does... not... mean... living.

I don't know man. I'm not sure if I believe this.

Okay, I've thought about it... I have to say this has to be one of the most rediculous statements I've ever read.

The Apostle Paul explained that the second death means dead to sin link HERE and so all those negative things quoted above from Revelations 21:8, will all die with the sinner and the person will come out of the purifying fire as a new creature in Christ.

Wrong again, Paul was referring to those who are saved. Those who have accepted Christ. You have to read the whole passage and not selectively cut out what doesn't fit your distorted belief:

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life... Romans 6:3-4

And the important part that you conveniently left out:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin... Romans 6:6-7

Being dead from sin means we were baptized into Christ's death and would sin no more. This does not mean when we ALL die we also die from sin. It means that we died in the death of Christ and became new. YOU MUST ACCEPT CHRIST IN ORDER FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.

Everybody gets saved on the great Judgement Day. Even Satan the Devil gets saved in the end.

Once again you completely ignored this passage:

The Devil who had led them astray was thrown into the pool of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever... Rev 20:10

Such as human demons like Adolf Hitler, then once the power is taken away from Satan and taken away from evil acting people - then they become harmless and God does love His enemies, link HERE.

They will still be upset and weeping with nashing of teeth for a long while but eventually it will work out fine.

I have no idea what Hitler's fate is. It's up to God. I have no idea what your fate is. I know you have admitted we do not have souls. This convinces me that you are NOT a believer. Just my observation.

 

[JPC sr]

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So what is it... do we live in eternal bliss or are our next lives going to "be even harder?" Once again you make it up as you go along.

It is no confusion of mine.

You are claiming "eternal bliss" and not I, and I counter your incorrect claim by saying in the Kingdom of God there will be much righteous work to do.

So the confusion comes from comparing your wrong belief with my correct interpretation.

Really? Aw man... REALLY? Are you sure? Let me think about this a minute ... Death... does... not... mean... living.

I don't know man. I'm not sure if I believe this.

Okay, I've thought about it... I have to say this has to be one of the most rediculous statements I've ever read.

You and Orthodoxy claim that death means "enternal life" in Hell, and I point out that it does not link HERE Romans 6:23.

It says death is the punishment and eternal life is the gift, so Hell is not the punishment.

So death does not mean eternal living in Hell as you and the Orthodox are mis-claiming.

And since Jesus paid the punishment for everyone then everyone will die to sin and everyone gets saved.

It really is very simple yet overwhelming too.

 

[PsyOps]

It is no confusion of mine.

You are claiming "eternal bliss" and not I, and I counter your incorrect claim by saying in the Kingdom of God there will be much righteous work to do.

Yup, completely dismissing this:

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end… Rev 21:3-6

You and Orthodoxy claim that death means "enternal life" in Hell, and I point out that it does not Romans 6:23.

No! Pay attention… The second death is the final death. It is not to be compared to what we call dying, as in the flesh (the heart stopping, no brain activity, the body decaying, etc…). It is a spiritual death. It is eternal damnation of the soul (the thing you have admitted you do not believe exists). A complete and everlasting separation from God. To be separated from God means to be dead to God. And since you don’t believe God gave each of us a soul how could you possibly understand this.

It says death is the punishment and eternal life is the gift, so Hell is not the punishment.

So death does not mean eternal living in Hell as you and the Orthodox are mis-claiming.

The sentence of eternal damnation in the “pool of fire” is the death. This is the eternal separation from God. This is what sin means. Separation from God. When one decides to not accept Christ they accept their life of sin and will die in that sin and remain separated from God forever. You throw these terms out there like: death, and punishment, and love, and Orthodoxy as if they had real meaning the in the context of this discussion when in reality you are only using them as term intended to distort the Word of God.

And since Jesus paid the punishment for everyone then everyone will die to sin and everyone gets saved.

It really is very simple yet overwhelming too.

If it's so simple then why aren't you getting it?

Jesus paid the punishment for everyone that believes. You must do something; take action. You must believe. It is not by just being born as a human that we are saved. It says it over and over in the bible that you have to take the ACTION to believe in order to be saved and not face eternal damnation.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek… Romans 1:16

Again, you are setting up your own rules so you don’t have to make that commitment. Life is not formed around your convenience. But you sure think it is.

 

[JPC sr]

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Yup, completely dismissing this:

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Rev 21:3-6

Having righteous work to do does not mean or include crying, sorrow or pain.

You might see hardships in worldly work but it is not in righteous jobs.

 

[PsyOps]

Having righteous work to do does not mean or include crying, sorrow or pain.

When God says it's finished, that means it's finished. There is no more "righteous work" to do.

You might see hardships in worldly work but it is not in righteous jobs.

As usual, your grammar leaves me wondering what the heck you're talking about.

 

[JPC sr]

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When God says it's finished, that means it's finished. There is no more "righteous work" to do.

So I guess this will be another surprise waiting for your kind.

So you are of the Orthodox belief in a Heaven of bliss and do nothing for all eternity while others burn in Hell and praise your God.

My God gives me an exciting life now, and promises of adventures in the next life, and no bliss for me.

As usual, your grammar leaves me wondering what the heck you're talking about.

I know and this happens to me a lot.

It just feels so repulsive for me to talk down to others that I do not do that very often. :shrug:

 

[JPC sr]

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It is a spiritual death. It is eternal damnation of the soul (the thing you have admitted you do not believe exists). A complete and everlasting separation from God. To be separated from God means to be dead to God.

The sentence of eternal damnation in the “pool of fire” is the death. This is the eternal separation from God. This is what sin means. Separation from God. When one decides to not accept Christ they accept their life of sin and will die in that sin and remain separated from God forever.

If it's so simple then why aren't you getting it?

I have heard that claim a lot lately about being "separated from God" and it is impossible to be correct or for it to happen.

If one sparrow (bird) falls to the ground then God knows it, link HERE, and we are more valuable than birds.

Our very life and heart beat and breath of air are all from God and there is no such thing as being separate from God.

No one can be lost in "Hell" or lost (separated) from God by sin or by anything.

Perhaps the mistake comes from the Orthodox belief that one accepts Jesus as their savior and that starts a relationship with God and that misses the reality.

Everybody already has a personal relationship with the real God whether anyone likes it or not.

It is just that some people have a negative relationship, or a shallow relationship with God, but everyone is connected to the real God and it is totally impossible to be separate or separated from the truth which is God.

We people do not have any choice if we want it or not, or if one accepts it or not.

No one is left out, no one is lost, and everyone gets saved.

 

[PsyOps]

So I guess this will be another surprise waiting for your kind.

So you are of the Orthodox belief in a Heaven of bliss and do nothing for all eternity while others burn in Hell and praise your God.

My God gives me an exciting life now, and promises of adventures in the next life, and no bliss for me.

Your god is not my God. This much is obvious. The Revelation 21 is clear that Heaven and Earth will be new and God will dwell with His people. It is quite obvious there are those that will be saved and live in this place with God and others will not.

It just feels so repulsive for me to talk down to others that I do not do that very often.

Yeah, right.

If you're so repulsed by talking down to me OH MIGHTY AND ARROGANT ONE, then why do you bother?

 

[JPC sr]

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Your god is not my God. This much is obvious. The Revelation 21 is clear that Heaven and Earth will be new and God will dwell with His people. It is quite obvious there are those that will be saved and live in this place with God and others will not.

This is fine by me.

You have your beliefs and I maintain my beliefs and that is that.

In my opinion it matters more how one acts and what they do, then what the person believes.

Yeah, right.

If you're so repulsed by talking down to me OH MIGHTY AND ARROGANT ONE, then why do you bother?

Because I care.

 

[PsyOps]

This is fine by me.

You have your beliefs and I maintain my beliefs and that is that.

In my opinion it matters more how one acts and what they do, then what the person believes.

You have to have both. Read James 2:26

"For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."

How about Romans 3:27-30

What occasion is there then for boasting? It is ruled out. On what principle, that of works? No, rather on the principle of faith. For we consider that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Does God belong to Jews alone? Does he not belong to Gentiles, too? Yes, also to Gentiles, for God is one and will justify the circumcised on the basis of faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

What this means is it doesn't matter what you do if you don't have faith; a belief in Christ; be born again.

Because I care.

Someone that cares is not repulsed. Someone that cares does not place themselves above others as you have:

It just feels so repulsive for me to talk down to others that I do not do that very often.

This is an arrogant and self-serving mentality that shows very little care, if any.