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vraiblonde

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Originally posted by cariblue
People seem to think if we didn't have gays, we wouldn't have AIDS.
The fact is that gay men are the overwhelming transmitters of AIDS in the US. I DON'T have AIDS. Neither do you. Guess why.

But that's neither here nor there because that's their problem, just like unwanted pregnancy is a heterosexual woman's problem. Both are easily prevented. Mojo was trying to say that gays spread AIDS to children through blood transfusions, which is simply not true.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by cariblue
I honestly thought it had moved to hetero teenagers.
What had moved to teenagers?

And, Mojo, one more thing - the majority of kids with HIV got it from their mother, the heroin addict. Maybe we should make drugs illegal. Oh...wait...
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by cariblue
The transmission of AIDS.
AIDS risk increases the older you get, until you hit Senior Citizen age, then it declines.

The media has been going off on teen AIDS because it makes a good story and sounds really scary. But they also went off about one (1) woman who got it from her dentist not using hygenic precautions - and even that was found to be bogus.

The news guys are trying desperately to "prove" that AIDS isn't just a gay men's disease - I guess so we'll all freak out and they can sell more advertising. :shrug:
 

Tonio

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
The news guys are trying desperately to "prove" that AIDS isn't just a gay men's disease - I guess so we'll all freak out and they can sell more advertising. :shrug:

Or else they were overreacting to the Pat Buchanan-Michael Savage "AIDS is God's punishment" crap. If either of them is God, I'll switch to Ba'al.
 

Ken King

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Wake up and smell the sheets, Bubba Dean. I think anyone under 21 and over 70 shouldn't be allowed to drive.
And thank God for the representative form of government. BTW don't the statistics show that the age of those involved in most accidents is the highest in the early to mid 20s?
I think if you get more than one DWI, you should get the gas chamber. I think that if you cause an accident that kills someone, you should get the electric chair.
For the multiple DWIs they certainly should have their privilege revoked (I would save the gas chamber for those irate drivers that don’t use their seat-belts that make the cop shoot across multiple lanes of traffic to snag them). For those that cause a death I think each case is unique and who knows what could or could not have contributed to the accident or death. If a driver is concretely determined to be the sole cause, then charge them with homicide and punish them accordingly.

And yes, driving is a privilege, but when making laws as to who can or cannot drive aren't the protected categories required guidance that the states must adhere to, unless of course they can show a compelling state interest? In this case the 97 year old woman seemed to significantly exceed your 70 year cut off age without being a problem (until this recent event).

What harm would it be for people to take a reaction test or show driving skills when doing their license renewal? Hell, it might even uncover some of those that fall within the age structure that you have set and show that they have no business behind the wheel either. And it could be done without discriminating against anyone by making everyone do it.
 

mojorisin

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Originally posted by Ponytail
It is the point. Marriage is a civil right. Driving, is a privilege.

Making you the driver (benefit of the doubt being given here) in a gay marriage will never kill anyone not directly involved.

No, if an older person passes a driving exam and then is not permitted to drive just because he/she is old it would be discrimination, which would turn into a civil rights issue.
 

mojorisin

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Originally posted by FromTexas
No - as pointed out -- gay people marrying gay people doesn't kill anyone.

Driving is not a civil right. Blind people aren't allowed. Many other disabilities aren't allowed or they must meet certain standards. It is a license that says you meet these qualifications to drive a motorized vehicle safely. Old people who can not see appropriately, who get confused, and who have slow reflexes get other people killed. Public safety is greater than civil rights in most court opinions (i.e. yelling fire in a crowded theatre, etc...).

If you can not pass the test, you can not drive either. It is a privilege to those who qualify to operate a motor vehicle safely.
Elderly people should not be allowed to renew their license without having the appropriate checks every few years. They can get physical issues that deteriorate rapidly and do not fit within the context of the typical five year renewal. If they show they have the ability, they should get the license.

"Wake up and smell the sheets, Bubba Dean. I think anyone under 21 and over 70 shouldn't be allowed to drive"

This is what Vraiblonde posted. This would clearly turn into a discrimination case, don’t you think? That is my point! She is saying if you are not in the age range she suggested you couldn’t get a license no matter what. Get it!
 

mojorisin

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Driving is not a RIGHT, it's a PRIVILEGE. You do not have the RIGHT to drive.

Oops - never mind. Two people said that before me. :blushing:

The way you want it, 21-70 years old should be the only ones to be able to obtain a license would be discrimination. Can you say “civil rights”
 

Dymphna

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Originally posted by cariblue
In MD, the driver only has to be seizure free for three months. I don't feel that anyone who has epilepsy should be behind the wheel. It doesn't matter what medication you're on or how long it's been since you've had a seizure, you're still a risk. There is no way of knowing when or where you will have a seizure.
I have a friend who has been seizure free for 15+ years, you mean she shouldn't be allowed to drive?
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by mojorisin
Can you say “civil rights”
Sure - "civil rights". But driving isn't a civil right at all. You don't have the RIGHT to drive.

You have a MUCH better chance of being killed by some maniac driver than you do of contracting AIDS. Unless you're a homosexual male, which I assume you're not.

So that goes back to the original question on the other thread: how does gay marriage hurt you or affect you in any way?
 

Dymphna

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Ken King's going to come on here and slap us both around but I agree with you. I also don't think people with certain disabilities should drive, either.

We had a situation up here where some guy with epilepsy had his license taken away. He successfully sued for discrimination and got his license back. Then he promptly went out driving, had a seizure, and wiped out a man and his two young sons. Killed 'em dead. Needless to say, the wife/Mom wasn't particularly happy with the state of Maryland. :ohwell:
You forgot to say it was a sweet little old man who forgot to take his meds.
 

mojorisin

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Sure - "civil rights". But driving isn't a civil right at all. You don't have the RIGHT to drive.

You have a MUCH better chance of being killed by some maniac driver than you do of contracting AIDS. Unless you're a homosexual male, which I assume you're not.

So that goes back to the original question on the other thread: how does gay marriage hurt you or affect you in any way?

The way you want the law to read, it would be discriminating against younger and older people. I say again that it would then be a civil rights issue.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by mojorisin
The way you want the law to read, it would be discriminating against younger and older people. I say again that it would then be a civil rights issue.
How is that different than the law saying that you must be of a certain age in order to apply for and receive a driver's license? Is that a civil rights issue as well?
 

mojorisin

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
How is that different than the law saying that you must be of a certain age in order to apply for and receive a driver's license? Is that a civil rights issue as well?

There is a big difference. There is no basis for your proposal. More people get in accidents in there twenties than any other age group. Are you going to ban them also?
 
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