Gun Control Laws And Opposition

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New Mexico's public health emergency, suspension of gun rights condemned on the left and right​

"I support gun safety laws," California Democrat Congressman Ted Lieu wrote on X, the platform previously called Twitter. "However, this order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution. No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution."

On Friday, Grisham suspended open and concealed carry of firearms in the city of Albuquerque for a 30-day period. The day before, she issued an executive order declaring a public health emergency over gun violence.

She issued the order following the shooting of an 11-year-old boy outside a baseball stadium, according to The Associated Press.

2024 presidential candidate and Florida GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis took to social media to criticize Grisham.

"Just a few months after ending the COVID 'public health emergency,' the Governor of New Mexico has declared a new 'public health emergency': Guns. She is now asserting the power to infringe on Second Amendment rights by executive fiat," DeSantis wrote.

"This assertion is not surprising — since 2020, 'public health' has become a pretext for depriving citizens of civil liberties and trampling on our Constitutional rights," the post continued. "It ends when I am President. Your 2nd Amendment rights SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

One of the "March for Our Lives" founders, David Hogg, said that Grisham's actions were unconstitutional.

"I support gun safety but there is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution," Hogg wrote on X.

 

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Hell Is Freezing Over: Ted Lieu Brings Sense After NM Gov's Gun Order and Troubling Police Response​

 

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New Mexico Governor Grisham suspends open and concealed carry in Albuquerque for 30 days​

From KOB4:



Interesting how so many mandates are implemented under the guise of 'public health'. We're old enough to remember when forced masking and isolation was a thing, and look how effective that turned out to be.

And as far as evaluating the order after thirty days, well, we all know how that usually goes.

Privilege's? Ah, no. Wrong word bucko

 

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And once again, the restriction will only apply to law abiding citizens because the unlawful will simply ignore it as they always have.

She's an idiot.

 

[SamSpade]

And once again, the restriction will only apply to law abiding citizens because the unlawful will simply ignore it as they always have.

She's an idiot.

Worse - she uses the fact that criminals don't obey the laws to justify outlawing guns ---

Grisham explained it doesn’t matter at all, that there are already laws on the books against illegal guns, don’t be silly, what nonsense, because there are too many criminals and everybody knows criminals don’t follow the laws"."

Well, that's a relief. Good to know they won't be getting guns legally, since they somehow follow THOSE LAWS.

 

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Worse - she uses the fact that criminals don't obey the laws to justify outlawing guns ---

Grisham explained it doesn’t matter at all, that there are already laws on the books against illegal guns, don’t be silly, what nonsense, because there are too many criminals and everybody knows criminals don’t follow the laws"."

Well, that's a relief. Good to know they won't be getting guns legally, since they somehow follow THOSE LAWS.

On top of that she’s wanting to make a few more criminals out of otherwise law abiding people.

 

[Merlin99]

I do like how she dropped this on a Friday so nobody has a chance to take it to court til Monday.

Next point, where does this go for a hearing state court or Federal?

 

[Ken King]

I do like how she dropped this on a Friday so nobody has a chance to take it to court til Monday.

Next point, where does this go for a hearing state court or Federal?

A suit was filed on Saturday in US District Court.

 

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"Imagine, in a perfect world", sorry lady, you don't have, nor will you ever have that. Thats why we have laws as a Constitution to limit what laws you may levy.

 

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The FBI massively erred about civilians stopping active shooters​

By Andrea Widburg


The essay opens by reminding readers of what happened in July 2022 in Greenwood, Indiana. A man opened fire in a shopping mall, killing three. He was stopped when 22-year-old Elisjsha Dicken, a licensed carrier, killed the shooter:

While Dicken was praised for his courage and skill – squeezing off his first shot 15 seconds after the attack began, from a distance of 40 yards – much of the immediate news coverage drew from FBI-approved statistics to assert that armed citizens almost never stop such attackers: “Rare in US for an active shooter to be stopped by bystander” (Associated Press); “Rampage in Indiana a rare instance of armed civilian ending mass shooting” (Washington Post); and “After Indiana mall shooting, one hero but no lasting solution to gun violence” (New York Times).

However, honest data show that all those claims that good guys with guns don’t really matter were a case of “lies, damn lies, and Deep State statistics.”

In fact, the FBI has been pretty bad about collecting data from those instances in which good people stepped up and, at great risk to themselves, used their legal firearms to stop someone intent on murdering large numbers of innocent people. Thus, according to the FBI, of the 302 events that the FBI identifies as “active shootings,” armed citizens only stopped 14. (According to the FBI, an “active shooting” occurs in a public area when someone is intent upon killing and does kill multiple people.)

Au contraire, says the CPRC:

An analysis by the CPRC identified a total of 440 active shooter incidents during that period and found that an armed citizen stopped 157. A previous report looked at only instances when armed civilians stopped what likely would have been mass public shootings. There were another 27 cases that we didn’t include where armed civilians stopped armed attacks, but the suspect didn’t fire his gun. Those cases are excluded from our calculations, though it could be argued that a civilian also stopped what likely could have been an active shooting event.

The FBI reported that armed citizens thwarted 4.6% of active shooter incidents, while the CPRC found 35.7%.

The problem with the FBI data is twofold: First, the FBI misclassified active shootings five times, whether by failing to acknowledge that it was an active shooting or by misidentifying that civilian’s identity. Second, and more significantly, the FBI missed 103 incidences that comported with its own definition of an “active shooting.”

What also matters in understanding that the numbers are fundamentally flawed is that they roll together shootings in places where civilians can carry arms and those in which they can’t (those “fish in a barrel” situations):

There is yet another reason that these corrected percentages are biased downward as they ignore that about half of these attacks occur where guns are banned, so law-abiding citizens who obey those rules wouldn’t have a chance to stop them.
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The FBI’s active shooting reports do not mention whether the attacks occur in gun-free zones. “The issue is that when places are posted as gun-free zones, law-abiding citizens obey those rules and would be unable to stop the attacks in those areas,” notes Carl Moody, a professor at William & Mary and the CPRC’s research director.

 

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Armed NM Gun Owners Rally in Defiance of Illegal Order, Lujan Grisham and Ted Lieu Spar​

 

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Lujan Grisham Digs the Hole Deeper With Latest Insane Justification for 'Suspending' Gun Rights​

Banning law-abiding New Mexico residents from concealed-carrying guns is not going to make a single child safer. It's just a way for Lujan Grisham to punish her political enemies, which is something she tacitly admits in her post. She's essentially saying "I broke the law because you have no plan." But what exactly would a plan look like for New Mexico legislators? What are they supposed to do? Pass a resolution saying shooting people is bad?

It's already illegal to shoot kids. The only way you reduce gun violence in any real way is by having prosecutors who vigorously enforce the law. Instead, Lujan Grisham has been part of a Democratic Party that has elevated soft-on-crime "reform" prosecutors. She is more responsible than anyone else in her state.

Regardless, it doesn't matter whether others have a "plan" or not. There is no statute that voids the Constitution as long as some other people don't offer a "plan." Lujan Grisham broke the law, and she should reap the whirlwind for that. All the flailing in the world, and she is definitely flailing, isn't going to change that.

 

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