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[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

... I did notice you failed to answer my question though so I will ask again. How many people are coming in for the MMA?

There was a report in the Enterprise on February 11, 2005, page A-6, that said, "the Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft [the MMA] would bring in up to 250 new workers for the programs development and operational testing."

Per myself, those 250 workers will bring their families with them which averages 2.5 persons each so that would mean some 750 people coming into our area just for this one MMA program. And each will bring their cars here and need housing and other extras.

But MMA is only one as there are other new programs to overload our already overloaded infrastructure like the Joint Strike Fighter and the Presidential Helicopter, the V-22 Osprey, and more.

Plus because of this Navy Base growth we get big new businesses based on that growth like the plan to expand the Walmart to super size while the local Mattingly's store is closing down.

I do not like this at all.

... What "overloading", again numbers of people please? ...

The St. Mary's County Board of Education FY 2006 Study Report, section 1.2, states that our schools have in use 84 relocatable trailers.

Those 84 trailers is the number that represents the overload overcrowding better then any other number, except perhaps the number two as in two of those relocatable trailers have already burned down in 29b.

 

[Ken King]

There was a report in the Enterprise on February 11, 2005, page A-6, that said, "the Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft [the MMA] would bring in up to 250 new workers for the programs development and operational testing."

Per myself, those 250 workers will bring their families with them which averages 2.5 persons each so that would mean some 750 people coming into our area just for this one MMA program. And each will bring their cars here and need housing and other extras.

But MMA is only one as there are other new programs to overload our already overloaded infrastructure like the Joint Strike Fighter and the Presidential Helicopter, the V-22 Osprey, and more.

Plus because of this Navy Base growth we get big new businesses based on that growth like the plan to expand the Walmart to super size while the local Mattingly's store is closing down.

I do not like this at all.

You don't like it, well boo-freaking-hoo. I don't like the fact that you are a deadbeat, ex-con running for office, so what?

Will it bring in 250 employees or will 250 positions in support of that program exist? But lets say for the sake of discussion that there will be 250 new employees that come in with the project, let's do a little math work, shall we? 250 X 2.5 = 625 and not 750. 625 people doesn't even represent 1% of the current population and that is making the assumption that they all are married, that half of them have a child and that all of them will live in St. Mary's. Still so what, as indicated it is still less then a 1% growth value and you know what else? Those 250 employees will contribute to the tax base, can you say the same?

The St. Mary's County Board of Education FY 2006 Study Report, section 1.2, states that our schools have in use 84 relocatable trailers.

Those 84 trailers is the number that represents the overload overcrowding better then any other number, except perhaps the number two as in two of those relocatable trailers have already burned down in 29b.

No, that number represents the lack of forethought by planners to upgrade and/or build permanent facilities over the years. Re-locatable classrooms have been in use since the 1960s, this is nothing new. To only have two damaged in over 45 years isn’t a bad track record. BTW, what is the current capital improvement budget for the school system? Are new schools or expansion of existing schools planned?

 

[Cletus_Vandam]

Possible Correction

yes. He might attack me with a crack pipe.

Should you have said "He might attack me with HIS crack pipe."???

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

... Will it bring in 250 employees or will 250 positions in support of that program exist? But lets say for the sake of discussion that there will be 250 new employees that come in with the project, let's do a little math work, shall we? 250 X 2.5 = 625 and not 750. ...

Okay, the WIZARD got an "F" in arithmatic. Math use to be easier for me but I think it started changing when I hit 40 at the same time that I started needing reading glasses too. So in explanation, I first doubled the 250 (2 x 250) to 500 and then took the .5 of the 500 instead of .5 of the 250 so I did have the correct math formula but applied it to the wrong number and got the wrong answer. So yes the correct answer to 250 x 2.5 = 625 and not my 750, still an F in arithmatic as excuses do not count here.

No, that [84 relocatable trailers] number represents the lack of forethought by planners to upgrade and/or build permanent facilities over the years. Re-locatable classrooms have been in use since the 1960s, this is nothing new. To only have two damaged in over 45 years isn’t a bad track record.

Bohanan tried to blame the County and the Board of Education for the overcrowding and lack of school space and my reply to him is the same for KK here at this link,

Cusick vs. Bohanan on Education.

BTW, what is the current capital improvement budget for the school system? Are new schools or expansion of existing schools planned?

I do not have those figures here but at home I have the BOE budget report and it could be there. I am fairly certain it is on the Board of Ed website too but I do not have that now either. I do know that they are planning to do both - build new schools and expand or improve existing schools.

 

[Ken King]

Okay, the WIZARD got an "F" in arithmatic. Math use to be easier for me but I think it started changing when I hit 40 at the same time that I started needing reading glasses too. So in explanation, I first doubled the 250 (2 x 250) to 500 and then took the .5 of the 500 instead of .5 of the 250 so I did have the correct math formula but applied it to the wrong number and got the wrong answer. So yes the correct answer to 250 x 2.5 = 625 and not my 750, still an F in arithmatic as excuses do not count here.

First of all it's Mr. Wizard Next, I would say that this is another shinning example of your inadequacy to become a delegate. I wonder how many of the other problems you have with growth and alleged overcrowding are due to your inability to properly cipher the results.

Bohanan tried to blame the County and the Board of Education for the overcrowding and lack of school space and my reply to him is the same for KK here at this link, Cusick vs. Bohanan on Education.

How can Bohanon be blamed for this when re-locatables have been used since the 1960s and he has only been in his current position since December 1999? Re-locatables are a low-budget temporary fix that have been used quite frequently while awaiting necessary funding to make permanent changes and it would be the local government and school board that are in the best position to determine the needs for new permanent structures, wouldn’t it?

I do not have those figures here but at home I have the BOE budget report and it could be there. I am fairly certain it is on the Board of Ed website too but I do not have that now either. I do know that they are planning to do both - build new schools and expand or improve existing schools.

Of course you don't have them handy, that way you don't have to speak directly to what has been requested. The county’s approximate $124 million 2006 - 2010 capital improvements plan (CIP) focuses mainly on schools (42.4%) or $52.5 million according to Moody’s Bond Rating report for St. Mary’s County. Of that $124 million in CIP funds it is stated that they are broken down as being 40% from Federal and State funding, 29.5% from county bonds, 25.8% from local taxes and fees, and 4.3% pay as you go funds. It seems that the delegates and representatives at the Federal and State level obtained the greatest portion of the funding. What does that suggest as to their effectiveness in providing for the county?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

This probably doesnt belong in this thread, but I am going to put it here anyway.

I was going in to leonardtown high school one day and I saw everyone sitting in the bleachers at the football field. I asked what was going on and was told they had a bomb threat in the school. Well kids call them in every so often I guess , but I was kind of put out by seeing all those kids in the stands.

This doesnt seem like a great plan to me, butI have seen this at other places too so I guess it pretty much accepted.

Now even the dumbest bomber can call in a bomb scare and watch to see what the school does. Now this idiot see's all the kids packed into the stadium, on the bleachers, so he is looking for mass casualties, because who cares if an empty school is bombed, so he goes out and plants a bomb under the stadium and he takes out a thousand kids in one fell swoop. If he placed the bomb in the school and the kids stayed in there, he might take out a classroom or the hallway, but the rest of the kids have some protection . Out there in the stadium they have none., also if they stayed in the school and continued studying the false calls would soon stop.

 

[Cletus_Vandam]

This probably doesnt belong in this thread, but I am going to put it here anyway.

I was going in to leonardtown high school one day and I saw everyone sitting in the bleachers at the football field. I asked what was going on and was told they had a bomb threat in the school. Well kids call them in every so often I guess , but I was kind of put out by seeing all those kids in the stands.

This doesnt seem like a great plan to me, butI have seen this at other places too so I guess it pretty much accepted.

Now even the dumbest bomber can call in a bomb scare and watch to see what the school does. Now this idiot see's all the kids packed into the stadium, on the bleachers, so he is looking for mass casualties, because who cares if an empty school is bombed, so he goes out and plants a bomb under the stadium and he takes out a thousand kids in one fell swoop. If he placed the bomb in the school and the kids stayed in there, he might take out a classroom or the hallway, but the rest of the kids have some protection . Out there in the stadium they have none., also if they stayed in the school and continued studying the false calls would soon stop.

If a bomber really wanted to cause the most amount of damage there would never be a call placed ahead of the bomb going off.

They are called bomb "threats", not bomb "promises".

Recognizing that each threat has to be treated as a potential reality, the students and staff all need to be evacuated safely while the threat is investigated. Since the school has the ultimate responsibility for the student's safety, the only choice is to corral them all in one central location. With that in mind, the stadium is the most sensible location.

If the buses were called and the student's sent home there wouldn't be a summer vacation with all the make up days the kids had to complete.

Believe it or not, the stadium is the best way to go. What are the other choices?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

School bombs.

What makes you believe a bomber wouldnt call in a bomb scare to see what plans are used?

Theres nothing like corralling potential targets in one place. Makes it easy to get them all with one shot.

I dont know the answer. I only know the current plan sucks. IMO that is.

Its a lot easier to go to the school at night and plant explosives under the stadium seats than it is to enter a locked school.

It would seem a lot better plan to assemble each class in a specific location outside than to gather them all in one place.

The stadium plan is the easiest for Staff because it solves the problem of students roaming off campus, but it sure works better for the terrorist too.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizaed!

... How can Bohanon be blamed for this when re-locatables have been used since the 1960s and he has only been in his current position since December 1999? ...

I do not blame Bohanan directly for the relocatable trailers. I blame Bohanan for his reckless policies of out of control growth that Bohanan orchestrates through the Navy Base. It is that growth that is overloading our area's entire infrastructure and it is that growth that is overcrowding our schools and thus forcing the need and use of those relocatable trailers. The SMC Board of Education(BOE) can not stop the growth policies so the BOE is only reacting to the growth created through Bohanan's reckless policies.

... It seems that the delegates and representatives at the Federal and State level obtained the greatest portion of the funding. What does that suggest as to their effectiveness in providing for the county?

Facts and figures and percentages mean nothing when the schools are overcrowded and the students are forced into the fire box trailers and the BOE is now planning to build new Columbine style schools to handle the growth that is orchestrated to our detriment by those federal and State level representatives.

This gives a sound reason why Americans termed the addage that "statistics are for losers."

 

[Ken King]

I do not blame Bohanan directly for the relocatable trailers. I blame Bohanan for his reckless policies of out of control growth that Bohanan orchestrates through the Navy Base. It is that growth that is overloading our area's entire infrastructure and it is that growth that is overcrowding our schools and thus forcing the need and use of those relocatable trailers. The SMC Board of Education(BOE) can not stop the growth policies so the BOE is only reacting to the growth created through Bohanan's reckless policies.

Didn't the expansion of Patuxent River, via BRAC, start well before Bohanon became a Steny advisor? I think it did.

Facts and figures and percentages mean nothing when the schools are overcrowded and the students are forced into the fire box trailers and the BOE is now planning to build new Columbine style schools to handle the growth that is orchestrated to our detriment by those federal and State level representatives.

This gives a sound reason why Americans termed the addage that "statistics are for losers."

Facts mean nothing, damn JPC you really are stupid enough to believe this, aren't you? I guess it facilitates your spewing of lies to ignore what others know and can prove is the truth.

A better adage for you JPC would be "liars are losers".

 

[reelsdeals]

Transition might be difficult? What are you talking about. You obviously have never been in the military. Our life since joining is nothing but transition. Constant deployments, detachments, months upon end away from home and family. But yet you think transition might be difficult for us. You are more shallow that I gave you credit for before. New programs come in and old programs go away. Lets see, what program just left the base? How about the H-1/A-1 upgrades program. My command had this program and recently lost a great number of jobs along with the program. The base is constantly in transition and always will be.
It's nothing new that as many Navy guys and gals are coming to Pax as in years past. Many shore duty positions are being filled by civilians for dollar purposes. Who does this help? The local economy. Why? More money coming in. Most of the aircraft maintenance is done by civilians now and that is a trend that will continue. Before you go out with your cannons blazing, you need to have your facts straight and know that you aren't talking to some guy straight from boot camp. I know how the military works and what the thought processes are on most of the decisions made. Since 9/11, the programs have increased due to being in multiple war zones and much of the stuff testing here is having a direct effect on our capabilities of my brothers and sisters in the field. That is the product of our work here, not a gun scare being blamed on growth. We are at war and it isn't an easy one as we all know. How about supporting the missions that we are doing instead of beating a dead horse. Growth is the devil, the cause of all our problems in society. The real problem is the morals of today's society. Get behind us and all the military and civilians working to make the US better and safer and quit griping about growth.



A problem is the opportunity for improvement.

I guess the transition might be some difficult on the Navy personel but now you do here have some advance notice that many of you guys will just have to pack your bags and be moving out.

Feel free to tell your comrades that the change is a coming.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

... The base is constantly in transition and always will be. It's nothing new that as many Navy guys and gals are coming to Pax as in years past. Many shore duty positions are being filled by civilians for dollar purposes. Who does this help? The local economy. Why? More money coming in. ...

This concept of tossing a biscuit to the dogs so he will jump is going to stop with me. That idea that our home is for sale and the growth is giving out money so the locals get screwed. The Navy Base growth is not employing local workers - it is bringing in their own workers from way outside of this area.

When I get elected then this process of dumping onto St. Mary's County is going to end.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

Didn't the expansion of Patuxent River, via BRAC, start well before Bohanon became a Steny advisor? I think it did.

Bohanan might appear to be a competant representative but the reality is that Bohanan does not protect the community and he does not defend our infrastructure. So behind Bohanan's looks and his credentials is the sad fact that he has betrayed his position.

Facts mean nothing, damn JPC you really are stupid enough to believe this, aren't you? ...

I only said that the facts mean nothing when the infrastructure is overloaded. Perhaps I needed to have put it this way - that KK is giving irrelivant facts to cover up the other facts that show the entire infrastructure is overloaded because of the excessive growth. So I do like facts but not when the statistical facts are used to hide the reality that we are the losers to the growth.

 

[reelsdeals]

The fact of the matter is that most of the maintenance positions are filled by residents, not by people coming in to work. $20 an hour here isn't much compared to alot of other places. Yes, some people come here to work, i.e., engineers and such, but the majority of the positions are filled by people who reside in the area either being from here or have retired here. There are alot of people who have retired from the military who live here now and work hard. They don't contribute to the economy? I could poll the contractors working in my hangars and the majority are from here or have been here many years. I talk to them on a daily basis and I can promise you that they don't want types like you to impede on their ability to make a competitive living. What it all boils down to is this. The majority of people that are moving into this area isn't working on the base. The majority drive to and from DC daily. Why? The cost of living here and buying property here is cheaper than in the DC area and surronding suburbs. Instead of pointing fingers, that's where you need to focus your energies on.

 

[Ken King]

Bohanan might appear to be a competant representative but the reality is that Bohanan does not protect the community and he does not defend our infrastructure. So behind Bohanan's looks and his credentials is the sad fact that he has betrayed his position.

And you continue with the lies. Bohanon is protecting our interests; they just seem to be a lot different then yours. Thankfully.

I only said that the facts mean nothing when the infrastructure is overloaded. Perhaps I needed to have put it this way - that KK is giving irrelivant facts to cover up the other facts that show the entire infrastructure is overloaded because of the excessive growth. So I do like facts but not when the statistical facts are used to hide the reality that we are the losers to the growth.

You might be a loser to growth but many of us aren't. I like the fact that since 1999 (when Bohanon first became a delegate) my wages have increased significantly and my properties value has done likewise. Maybe if you were employed you could reap the benefits that a strong local economy has to offer. Instead we see the path that you want, the one of the deadbeat with a hand out begging for a gift.

The facts that I offer (while I notice you offer nothing but rhetoric) are very relevant in that the county, state and Federal governments are working towards a viable solution to contend with growth while you only care for a cease to it.

If you want to see overcrowding head on up towards the metro area where it can take one an hour to go twenty miles, where home prices make getting a piece of the American Dream unattainable for many above the poverty line, and where crime in the schools is so routine that you don't hear about it on the news because it is the norm.

Our growth, as indicated by facts from the Census, show that we are not growing as fast or getting as large as our neighboring counties. Yet, for you it is still too much. And what is worse is that you haven't even been a contributor to our society for some time. You are a leach that wants to set the rules for all, even in areas where you will have no say.

Hmm, doesn't that make you a wanna-be oligarch?

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

And you continue with the lies. Bohanon is protecting our interests; they just seem to be a lot different then yours. Thankfully.

You might be a loser to growth but many of us aren't. I like the fact that since 1999 (when Bohanon first became a delegate) my wages have increased significantly and my properties value has done likewise. ...

It surely is not some surprise that KK is personally profiting from Bohanan's policies of reckless growth while the County infrastructure is the one that is being overrun. I have said from the beginning that the force behind the growth was senseless greed but let us not to forget the selfishness behind it too. Your's and Bohanan's profits are at other people's pain, like the overcrowded schools, the crammed full jail, the outpriced renters, and etc.

... ... If you want to see overcrowding head on up towards the metro area where it can take one an hour to go twenty miles, where home prices make getting a piece of the American Dream unattainable for many above the poverty line, and where crime in the schools is so routine that you don't hear about it on the news because it is the norm. ...

That is really my point in that bringing that growth to St. Mary's County is bringing the congestion and crime and poverty with it. This is part of the reason that I say to put that Bohanan out and make the change now in election 2006. The growth is bringing the poison to our home.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

The fact of the matter is that most of the maintenance positions are filled by residents, not by people coming in to work. ...

I can believe this that the crap jobs are being filled by this area's residents. We are being made servants in our own home. I do not like it at all.

 

[Ken King]

I can believe this that the crap jobs are being filled by this area's residents. We are being made servants in our own home. I do not like it at all.

Crap jobs, what does an aviation mechanic make JPC? Lots of people would like that kind of crap job. And do you ever think that any engineers are from around here, let me clue you in, there are.

It surely is not some surprise that KK is personally profiting from Bohanan's policies of reckless growth while the County infrastructure is the one that is being overrun. I have said from the beginning that the force behind the growth was senseless greed but let us not to forget the selfishness behind it too. Your's and Bohanan's profits are at other people's pain, like the overcrowded schools, the crammed full jail, the outpriced renters, and etc.

I've had my job as a public servant here since the late 1980s and my pay raises are due to performance, an occasional step increase, and federally mandated annual increase. They have not one damn thing to do with Bohanon, but I tossed it out there to see if you would bite and you did just like the hungry mutt that you are.

Twist it all you want but what you are saying is unadulterated BS and everyone out here knows it but you. That is a sad testament to the level of your idiocy.

 

[reelsdeals]

Like I said before, you are ignorant. What other kind of "crap jobs" are you going to start at $20 an hour. The new presidential helo program is hiring aviation mechs at around $33 an hour. Yes, those are the crap jobs being filled by this area's residents. And those are the jobs with just experience, no special qualifications, like a A & P license. (Oops, forgot who I was talking to, that means Airframes and Powerplant mechanic) Do you know what an experienced A & P mech with additional license, like an FAA radar license, makes in Jacksonville, FL? My friend retired there with the above licenses and is making $15.50 an hour. I guess that is what 20 years of sacrificing and multiple licenses get you huh? But here, you start at $20 an hour or more, but yet these are crap jobs. Before you start throwing stupidity out here, you need to educate yourself. You won't ever be elected here, the people here are too smart to elect a certified idiot. If I was you, I'd watch over my shoulder because the men in white coats are on their way to put you bach in that funny jacket and then place you back in the funny padded room.

I can believe this that the crap jobs are being filled by this area's residents. We are being made servants in our own home. I do not like it at all.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

Crap jobs, what does an aviation mechanic make JPC? Lots of people would like that kind of crap job. And do you ever think that any engineers are from around here, let me clue you in, there are. ...

And once again it comes down to the reality that if we are prospering and doing well then how can the infrastructure be overloading? and there is one answer for sure in that our elected leaders are either not doing their jobs or they are failing at their jobs. We can thank God that Mckay is finally out of the County Commissioners and now we need Bohanan out of 29b.

The first rule of government as I understand it is to protect and defend the home town and not to overrun and overload our infrastructure. This they have failed at and that means even if you and they are still getting rich off of it.