Good thing you, 2A, do not get to make that decision.2ndAmendment said:
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The Bible does says Christians get to judge.vraiblonde said:Good thing you, 2A, do not get to make that decision.
That will be an awesome responsibility.
Matthew 7:1-5
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nomoney said:
I agree. I don't trust any human being to have the power of life and death over me, and I include my fate after death in that category. And that's what religious "judgment" is all about - the sickening, horrifying idea that someone has to have the "right" beliefs in order to exist.
The case of Abdur Rahman still saddens and outrages me. It was like something out of the Dark Ages. I'm glad that he wasn't martyred, but if he had to die, I wanted him to put up a tremendous fight. His religious beliefs would probably stop him from doing this, but what if he had holed himself up in his house with a machine gun and killed dozens of Afghan police officers before he was captured? Do you think a person should be willing to kill to protect his freedom of conscience, or is it enough that the person should be willing to die to protect it?
Difference in period of time. Yours, don't judge in this lifetime. Am I guilty? Yep, but I'm working at not doing it. Mine, judgment in the afterlife; we will have a clear understanding of God's standard which we do not have now. Just a bit of difference.vraiblonde said:Matthew 7:1-5
I agree. I also dislike the condemnation of those that don't know God at all. And to be clear, that is not to indicate that you do not know God at all. I don't know your relationship with God.nomoney said:
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And why would that be? You can PM me.pixiegirl said:2A, you should be ashamed of yourself and that's all I can say in the religion forum.
I have not condemned anyone. I can't. Not my job in this life. I also will not shy from quoting the Bible in the hope that people will open their lives to Jesus.
And your opinion has nothing to do with the order that God prescribes in the Bible. You may not like it, but it is there just the same. You believe or you don't. We again come to an impasse.Tonio said:
Which one?camily said:
Right. But if you're judging now, you will not be judging in the afterlife. I think that's pretty clear.2ndAmendment said:
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
2ndAmendment said:
We come to an impasse because you believe that the Bible represents objective, absolute truth, when I believe that there is no such thing as absolute truth in religious matters.
I don't understand why anyone's religious beliefs have to apply to other people. None of us has any responsibilty or authority over other people's personal religious beliefs. I think the ultimate expression of that idea is what almost happened to Abdur Rahman.
Where did I judge? You mean, "I hope you like a hot climate." My attempt at levity. Sorry, I guess it failed. Your eventual afterlife is not decided until you die. Until then, all things are in flux.vraiblonde said:
As to judging now, I think the scripture points that by the standard you judge, you will be judged.
But to a Christian, the Bible is absolute Truth, and Christians are directed to go into all the world teaching and preaching. I am following my commission.Tonio said:
To do otherwise would be to fail my Lord.
They don't - that's why they're called religious "beliefs".Tonio said:
If you believe in God, then you believe that God alone has all the answers. Trying to be all-knowing and be God on Earth is a sin and you will surely roast for doing it.
Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time.
I Peter 5:5-6
A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.
Proverbs 29:23
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?
James 4:11-12
May I just be brutally honest here for a minute?2ndAmendment said:
You don't have to like condemnation from the nonbelievers. Jesus probably didn't like it much when they nailed him to the cross, know what I'm saying?
And I say this with complete affection in the spirit of conversation, because I loves me some 2A
