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If I may ...
If I may ...

Again, no, you may not....

TPD's business could be open if he complied with the current restrictions set by the local health official. It seems the sticking point is with not all employees using masks, not the customers. He has stated that those employees have indicated that they have breathing "issues" when wearing masks. The Governor. as well as the CDC, has allowed exceptions to the mask rule, but the EO allows the local health officials to place more restrictive conditions upon businesses. The difference when dealing with the big box stores (versus TPD's) is that the bigger businesses have to also follow Federal ADA requirements on providing accommodations for those employees within their business that have similar issues with the masks. To my knowledge the state cannot override the federal mandates

Thus for me the fact that TPD is choosing to voluntarily adhere to the ADA provisions (which btw is a great thing) he does not employ the requisite number of employees to mandate such adherence on his part, thus it seems that the local health official would be under no obligation to allow him an accommodation that is not required under law.

Given that there are no cases for that zip code and none of his employees have been confirmed to have the illness, and just so we are clear, I absolutely think that all of these mandates are BS, but the legislature allows for them, the rule should be that businesses must clearly advertise only:
  1. Are masks required for customers - yes or no
  2. Are masks required for employees - yes or no
And then let the people choose whether to do business with them up and until it can be proven that there is an actual health risk at that business. Then, and only then, would isolation, quarantine, and/or closure be indicated.
We are on the same road, but in different lanes, heading in the same direction, with just a bit of distance between us.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Again, no, you may not....

TPD's business could be open if he complied with the current restrictions set by the local health official. It seems the sticking point is with not all employees using masks, not the customers. He has stated that those employees have indicated that they have breathing "issues" when wearing masks. The Governor. as well as the CDC, has allowed exceptions to the mask rule, but the EO allows the local health officials to place more restrictive conditions upon businesses. The difference when dealing with the big box stores (versus TPD's) is that the bigger businesses have to also follow Federal ADA requirements on providing accommodations for those employees within their business that have similar issues with the masks. To my knowledge the state cannot override the federal mandates

Thus for me the fact that TPD is choosing to voluntarily adhere to the ADA provisions (which btw is a great thing) he does not employ the requisite number of employees to mandate such adherence on his part, thus it seems that the local health official would be under no obligation to allow him an accommodation that is not required under law.

Given that there are no cases for that zip code and none of his employees have been confirmed to have the illness, and just so we are clear, I absolutely think that all of these mandates are BS, but the legislature allows for them, the rule should be that businesses must clearly advertise only:
  1. Are masks required for customers - yes or no
  2. Are masks required for employees - yes or no
And then let the people choose whether to do business with them up and until it can be proven that there is an actual health risk at that business. Then, and only then, would isolation, quarantine, and/or closure be indicated.

I don't give a **** what the Governor says - he does not have unlimited power, no matter what that dipshit says. The Constitution specifically gives power to We the People, not they the politicians.

And this part of your post:

it seems that the local health official would be under no obligation to allow him....

Yeah, let me just stop you right there.....

To allow him?? To ALLOW him to operate his business and earn a living?? The local health department is not obligated to allow him to operate his business and earn a living???

AYFKMRN??
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
To allow him?? To ALLOW him to operate his business and earn a living?? The local health department is not obligated to allow him to operate his business and earn a living???
I think you aren't understanding what I was speaking to, that being the provision of the ADA requiring accommodations by businesses for employees with "disabilities" (unable to wear the mask) would only be required of those that the ADA applies to (businesses with 15 employees or more). Thus the difference in why the health official hasn't closed any larger businesses with the same issue as the smaller ones.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
just wear the damn mask!”
And rest assured I am not of that crowd, I'm just trying to show how the game is stacked against you based on the way the legislature has given the power to the executive and how the executive has delegated that power to appointed underlings. The most important thing I see in your defense is that your local area has zero cases and reasonably shouldn't be determined as unsafe based on that point alone and not on whether your employees are adhering to the health official's dictates.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
And rest assured I am not of that crowd, I'm just trying to show how the game is stacked against you based on the way the legislature has given the power to the executive and how the executive has delegated that power to appointed underlings.

See, and I'm not positive the legislature can take power from The People and give it to the executive. It's not theirs to give.

The problem is that not enough of us will put up a fight. If we did, we would win.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
See, and I'm not positive the legislature can take power from The People and give it to the executive. It's not theirs to give.

The problem is that not enough of us will put up a fight. If we did, we would win.
This is exactly right. All of it. :yay:
 

Hessian

Well-Known Member
TDP...just watched the youtube video...
That was smart...as Breitbart said: film everything.

It makes me mad,...yes I have been to your store...and there is creative resistance, which I would fully support-Looking for any & all loopholes in their oppressive rules.
Yes, I also approve demonstrating at THEIR offices & homes--filming them, and making their lives inconvenient.

One time I doxed a Property tax reviewer: He definitely hated the idea that I knew his name & address. THEY LOVE their anonymity, and THUS take it from them. The shroud they hide behind should be torn down.

We did it to tories in 1774-76,....it should be done again.

??So...what touched off the 'Arab Spring" revolution in Tunisia?
++++A Small time vendor lost his wares to bully cops.

??What did Machiavelli strongly urge his "princes" to NEVER touch?....a man's property. The imposition & abuse will carry on for a generation and Machiavelli KNEW that it is fatal to good rule.

WE, Citizens...are rooting for you, and YES, I will gladly help dox & embarrass bully officials.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
@TPD

So...today I had to go to Safeway in PF (well, I went there yesterday, too, but today was worse) They have SO MUCH stuff in that store that it is nearly impossible to "safe distance" from anyone in most of that store! When you walk into the front by the produce section - there refrigerator cases all over the place with fruit/veggies/etc in them. You already have to navigate your grocery carts like the Indy 500, but additionally - beside the cases are tall stands with shelves of "stuff" - which narrows the passages even more. This is all right beside the Floral department, where it is nearly impossible to navigate a grocery cart. Forget social distancing. Once you're in the PRODUCE dept - FAT CHANCE of not being neck and neck with other shoppers.

Then, traveling to other aisles, there are people traveling both ways in and out and stopping right behind or beside someone else.

When trying to stand in line to check out at the self-check outs - that's a joke! On one of the aisles, they have stacks of TP (go get some!) overflowing into the aisle space where you're supposed to stand in line. The only thing is - you can't GET in the line, because it starts IN THE AISLE, but it's only one person WIDE! So I guess they want you to walk all the way down the other aisle so you can walk all the way back up the aisle to get in line?

I was going to ask at Customer Service after I finally got to check out, but there was no one at the Customer Service counter and there were 3 people waiting already. :crazy:

I have a a few pics on my phone and will upload them to show you the aisle I'm talking about. I could have taken many more pictures, but the problem with that is there were too many people and I don't think most people want you taking their picture for no reason. :lol:
 
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Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Safeway PF 12-20-20

Not that this helps you in St.Mary's...but for what it's worth -
153969

153970

153971
 

PeoplesElbow

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GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
That and most people that talk about fighting means they want someone else to sacrifice and not do it themself, they are too busy with stuff like babysitting.


I posted this earlier

The Revolutionary War

Tories or Against the War 30%
Fence Sitters 30 %
For the War 30%

of the 30 FOR the war very few fought

then how would the Fed Gov respond to the raising of 15,000 Man Militia
Police - It's Criminal
National Guard
Military

:sshrug:



Where do you go ? do you march on Washington DC and Try to unseat the Current Congress ?
Try to Storm the White House after the President has flown off
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
I posted this earlier

The Revolutionary War

Tories or Against the War 30%
Fence Sitters 30 %
For the War 30%

of the 30 FOR the war very few fought

then how would the Fed Gov respond to the raising of 15,000 Man Militia
Police - It's Criminal
National Guard
Military

:sshrug:



Where do you go ? do you march on Washington DC and Try to unseat the Current Congress ?
Try to Storm the White House after the President has flown off
I'd say first step would be to run for office yourself.

I wanted to run for county comission years ago but the hatch act prevents it. When I retire I'm leaving MD so no chance here. I may run for Mayor of wherever I move to.
 

TPD

the poor dad
@TPD

So...today I had to go to Safeway in PF (well, I went there yesterday, too, but today was worse) They have SO MUCH stuff in that store that it is nearly impossible to "safe distance" from anyone in most of that store! When you walk into the front by the produce section - there refrigerator cases all over the place with fruit/veggies/etc in them. You already have to navigate your grocery carts like the Indy 500, but additionally - beside the cases are tall stands with shelves of "stuff" - which narrows the passages even more. This is all right beside the Floral department, where it is nearly impossible to navigate a grocery cart. Forget social distancing. Once you're in the PRODUCE dept - FAT CHANCE of not being neck and neck with other shoppers.

Then, traveling to other aisles, there are people traveling both ways in and out and stopping right behind or beside someone else.

When trying to stand in line to check out at the self-check outs - that's a joke! On one of the aisles, they have stacks of TP (go get some!) overflowing into the aisle space where you're supposed to stand in line. The only thing is - you can't GET in the line, because it starts IN THE AISLE, but it's only one person WIDE! So I guess they want you to walk all the way down the other aisle so you can walk all the way back up the aisle to get in line?

I was going to ask at Customer Service after I finally got to check out, but there was no one at the Customer Service counter and there were 3 people waiting already. :crazy:

I have a a few pics on my phone and will upload them to show you the aisle I'm talking about. I could have taken many more pictures, but the problem with that is there were too many people and I don't think most people want you taking their picture for no reason. :lol:

but I have been deemed an unsafe facility with an unreasonable risk of exacerbating the spread of Covid....
 

Clem72

Well-Known Member
I'd say first step would be to run for office yourself.

I wanted to run for county comission years ago but the hatch act prevents it. When I retire I'm leaving MD so no chance here. I may run for Mayor of wherever I move to.

You could have run as an independant.

Permitted candidacies[edit]
Federal employees are allowed to be candidates in non-partisan elections, meaning where no candidates are identified by political party.[69] This type of election is used by most municipalities and school boards in the United States.[70]

They are also allowed to be independent candidates in partisan elections for offices of certain localities where most voters are federal employees, as designated by the Office of Personnel Management:[69]


  1. ^ Jump up to:a b Unincorporated area, no elected offices of its own.
  2. ^ Listed as "Chevy Chase, section 4", its former name.
  3. ^ Listed as "Fairmont Heights".
  4. ^ Listed as "Riverdale", its former name
 
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