Hillary's messy history

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
ylexot said:
Yeah, including you and everyone else. To me, clean would be that the skeletons may be embarrasing but they are acceptable. If the allegation of creating charges against someone so that they get fired and a friend is put in their place is true...that's unacceptable to me.
Oh hell yeah I do! I don't even see what the big deal about it is. Having Hiliary run would be the best thing for republicans. I don't think she has a snowballs chance in hell in winning. Sadly to say mainly because she's a woman.

I gotta go work. Ya'll have fun.
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Bustem' Down said:
The biggest beef I have with the Bush admin is lying. All they need to do now is come out and say we made a mistake, there were no WMD's and most people would be ok, but he just ignores the whole issue completly. You could have told me we were going over there to take all thier oil, I wouldn't have gave a damn.
You've got to be friggin' kidding me. NO WMDs DOES NOT MEAN BUSH LIED!
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
You're amazing...

Bustem' Down said:
Give me 24 hours and I could find all sorts of things. But....you would just say that it's liberal mudslinging, so I'm not going to even bother. The biggest beef I have with the Bush admin is lying. All they need to do now is come out and say we made a mistake, there were no WMD's and most people would be ok, but he just ignores the whole issue completly. You could have told me we were going over there to take all thier oil, I wouldn't have gave a damn.


There WERE WMD. The UN said so. We KNOW so; we helped them develop some of the programs!

Saddam STOPPED the inspectors, thereby making it impossible to verify the destruction of the programs. Time after time after time.

Read the damn Iraq War Resolution and set yourself free.

As far as Cheney, I think it odd to stand there and say that you KNOW he is just another dirty politician and yet not have on shred of evidence that you're willing to discuss.

Does simply working for an oil company make you a madman or a criminal?
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
ylexot said:
You've got to be friggin' kidding me. NO WMDs DOES NOT MEAN BUSH LIED!
Not so literal. I'm talking about his Admin. He just needs to apologize for a mistake made. We all make mistakes. That's all I'm saying.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
Larry Gude said:
There WERE WMD. The UN said so. We KNOW so; we helped them develop some of the programs!

Saddam STOPPED the inspectors, thereby making it impossible to verify the destruction of the programs. Time after time after time.

Read the damn Iraq War Resolution and set yourself free.

As far as Cheney, I think it odd to stand there and say that you KNOW he is just another dirty politician and yet not have on shred of evidence that you're willing to discuss.

Does simply working for an oil company make you a madman or a criminal?
blah blah blah. There's nothing there.
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
SamSpade said:
In defense - albeit briefly - of rr - I tend to shudder at some of the more outrageous crap that gets bandied about regarding the Clintons' I remember the "Clinton Body Count" some years back, only to find a large portion of the entire list to be utterly discredited and easily disproven.
Found it on my hard drive, Titled Friends of Bill;

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE BILL CLINTON'S FRIEND ??
The following is a list of dead people connected
with Bill Clinton:

James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent
heart attack while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

Vince Foster - Former White House councelor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman.
Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a
gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal
with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery raiser - Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in
Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock.
Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an aparent hanging suicide. He
was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994
was found dead in her living roon with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.
Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a
gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a
window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug
distributor.

Florence Martin - Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry
Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas
Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro
and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in
his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks
before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp.
Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15,
1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer.
Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the
Department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang
special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory
Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk
of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was
never released.

Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his
plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say
the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena arkansas airport drug operation.
Controversaial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on
railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being
placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony
could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE
IVES/HENRY CASE:
Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck
July, 1988.
Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in
April 1989.
James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup
truck in June 1990.
Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a
set-up robbery July 1989

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Bustem' Down said:
Not so literal. I'm talking about his Admin. He just needs to apologize for a mistake made. We all make mistakes. That's all I'm saying.
Ok...NO WMDs DOES NOT MEAN THE BUSH ADMIN LIED!
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
Bustem' Down said:
Give me 24 hours and I could find all sorts of things. But....you would just say that it's liberal mudslinging, so I'm not going to even bother. The biggest beef I have with the Bush admin is lying. All they need to do now is come out and say we made a mistake, there were no WMD's and most people would be ok, but he just ignores the whole issue completly. You could have told me we were going over there to take all thier oil, I wouldn't have gave a damn.
Actually, this is the part that p!sses me off the most about what liberals claim about Bush.

Lying is the *intentional* distortion of the truth. You can only tell a lie when you do actually know the "truth", but say something else.

When that famous headline appeared - "Dewey Wins" - when in fact, Truman won the election - they didn't lie. They got it wrong.

When the weatherman said it would rain last Friday - and it didn't - he didn't lie. He was *wrong*.

When - and it happens every - single - day - on this forum, so it seems - someone reports something they got in an e-mail, only to be debunked by some astute reader who went to a place like Snopes and find it's all a pile of crap - the original poster DID NOT LIE. They posted something they believed to be true.

When British intelligence - French intelligence - Russian intelligence - Israeli intelligence - Iraqi ex-patriates - and your own intelligence - all concur - he HAS WMD's - what do YOU conclude?

I mean, what do YOU do when a piece of information has THAT MUCH support behind it?

He didn't lie; he got it wrong. In the case of Iraq, it's irrelevant, because we went in for many other reasons besides WMD's. The IWR says so. You can tell yourself we changed our story AFTER the invasion, but the document AUTHORIZING the invasion says differently. It's just that the absence of WMD's has been the biggest talking point on the left since then.

Bear in mind - even *BELIEVING* he had WMD's - the left didn't want to invade.


(I was listening to someone on the left criticizing the current strength of the military - how we're so overstretched that we couldn't stop a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. I laughed out loud - like there's the tiniest chance in the world, that they'd EVER approve us doing THAT).
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
Larry Gude said:
There WERE WMD. The UN said so. We KNOW so; we helped them develop some of the programs!
:yeahthat: and he used them both against Iran and the Kurds in northrern Iraq
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
And the result of searching...

...of verifying something, of inspecting, is that you either find it or you don't.
The point being it was deemed important enough that we had to know one way or another. Bill Clinton himself has backed Bush up any number of times for this.

Don't you feel better, at all, that Saddam is off the board? If not for you, then for Kuwait. Or the Iraqi people. Or the region?

"Oh no #######, you inspected the building and found it to be in compliance. You, therefore, own an apology for verifying this! You should not have checked!"

Is that right?
 

Hessian

Well-Known Member
Laura Lied!

um...she killed somebody with her car back in the 1960's!!! See, she is no different that Ted Kennedy! (except he deserted a drowning girl, refused to call for help for hours, and relied on the family lawyers to dig him out)

The only thing Bush is guilty of is being over zealous. Intel is never perfect. He had motivation, support, verification, and the means to topple Saddam and out military did an A+ job.

What he didn't have was a plan to deal with the internal mess afterward.

The aroma that lingers around the Clintons is not perfume...its more of a stench: Pardons, Lincoln Bedroom rentals, Paying for Teas at the WH, Chinese tech gifts, Missing Files appearing, Cattle futures, Whitewater convictions, Travelgate, Vince, Ron Brown's snicker at the funeral...
and "finding" stones on Normandy to make a insta-cross..."straightening Flags" at Anzio, bimbo eruptions, lying under oath.

This is not a matter of "Mud-Slinging"...this is criminal, misconduct, deviant, cruel and an absence of character.

"HEY...what about Star's investigations???"...take a 20-20 look at Starr. He did NOT complete the job and hindered those who were trying to dig. A mere puppet who was made out to be "an avenging radical republican."

Let's not forget that tower of truth and justice Janet Reno who couldn't find anything to investigate.
Let's not forget the socialist we had as economics guru: Reich.
Let's not forget how Clinton promised to make his cabinet look like the cultural quilt of America...and it turned out to be 95% Caucasian lawyers.

This was the legacy of the Clinton White House (apart from the pizza parties and X-generation punk staffers).

Yeah...Hillary has so much to offer.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
SamSpade said:
Actually, this is the part that p!sses me off the most about what liberals claim about Bush.

Lying is the *intentional* distortion of the truth. You can only tell a lie when you do actually know the "truth", but say something else.

When that famous headline appeared - "Dewey Wins" - when in fact, Truman won the election - they didn't lie. They got it wrong.

When the weatherman said it would rain last Friday - and it didn't - he didn't lie. He was *wrong*.

When - and it happens every - single - day - on this forum, so it seems - someone reports something they got in an e-mail, only to be debunked by some astute reader who went to a place like Snopes and find it's all a pile of crap - the original poster DID NOT LIE. They posted something they believed to be true.

When British intelligence - French intelligence - Russian intelligence - Israeli intelligence - Iraqi ex-patriates - and your own intelligence - all concur - he HAS WMD's - what do YOU conclude?

I mean, what do YOU do when a piece of information has THAT MUCH support behind it?

He didn't lie; he got it wrong. In the case of Iraq, it's irrelevant, because we went in for many other reasons besides WMD's. The IWR says so. You can tell yourself we changed our story AFTER the invasion, but the document AUTHORIZING the invasion says differently. It's just that the absence of WMD's has been the biggest talking point on the left since then.

Bear in mind - even *BELIEVING* he had WMD's - the left didn't want to invade.


(I was listening to someone on the left criticizing the current strength of the military - how we're so overstretched that we couldn't stop a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. I laughed out loud - like there's the tiniest chance in the world, that they'd EVER approve us doing THAT).
I still think it was the wrong reason. In my opinion (since I'm all for the war in Iraq) is that the mistake was not going there first. We should have hit Iraq first, rolled them over and screw all these idealistic ideas of democracy. It should have been a beach head in the mideast for the war on terror, fill it up with bases and launch from there with impunity.
 

rraley

New Member
Hessian said:
Let's not forget the socialist we had as economics guru: Reich.
Hessian just proved the point that I've been implying. These crap allegations are all tied to this one fact: the right DESPISES the policies of Bill Clinton. However, they couldn't beat him in two elections. They couldn't make his approval ratings sag. So, they just come up with crap to discredit the man's legacy and to flame the fires of resentment among the GOP base...they even go as far as to suggest that Bill Clinton authorized the murder of 47 people.

Can someone explain to me how this is ANY different from the left's attacks of President Bush/Iraq/anything?
 

Goofing_Off

New Member
Bustem' Down said:
I still think it was the wrong reason. In my opinion (since I'm all for the war in Iraq) is that the mistake was not going there first. We should have hit Iraq first, rolled them over and screw all these idealistic ideas of democracy. It should have been a beach head in the mideast for the war on terror, fill it up with bases and launch from there with impunity.
...He says from the comfort of his desk. :rolleyes:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Guffaw!

the right DESPISES the policies of Bill Clinton

One would have to be able to point one out and name one before anyone could like it or otherwise.

Policies of Bill Clinton. That's like saying "novels Mike Tyson has read"; it's possible, in theory.

Don't ask/don't tell and family leave act. That's it. One was as wimpy and debasing as it sounds, the other is one more chain a company can attach to employees with governmental blessing.

:raspberries:

Policies of Bill Clinton. Ha.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Larry Gude said:
One would have to be able to point one out and name one before anyone could like it or otherwise.
Family Leave Act
Defense of Marriage Act
Brady Bill
Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act

And..... (drumroll please....)



Prepare to hoot.......






The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998! :cymbalcrash:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Darn it...

vraiblonde said:
Family Leave Act
Defense of Marriage Act
Brady Bill
Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act

And..... (drumroll please....)



Prepare to hoot.......






The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998! :cymbalcrash:


...you're right again dear, which means RR is right. My side has been gnashing teeth for 10 years now. Just HOW can WE get such marvelous things done?

I mean, liberate Iraq. What a great idea! Why, I mean, really, why didn't WE think of that?

Don't ask, don't tell AND prohibit those who don't tell from marrying? Brilliant!

Epoch stuff says I. I am jealous.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Larry Gude said:
I mean, liberate Iraq. What a great idea! Why, I mean, really, why didn't WE think of that?
Republicans will just never be as smart as Democrats, I fear. 'Tis a pity.
 
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