How can someone say this?

[LordStanley]

Not disagreeing with you at all, but thats why i said :



it (the First) doesnt say separation of Church and State, but its been ruled on that being what the interpretation is (just like the Second is misrepresented) by both District and the Supreme Court (which i believe where the seperation argument came from)

Rog that

 

[BuddyLee]

Just because you learn about something doesn't mean you have to believe it.

True but how many enlightened folks like yourself are there?

 

[Tonio]

Students can learn about Christianity and still retain their own religious beliefs. Shoot, I know more about Christianity than most actual Christians do, and I still have my own beliefs.

Just because you learn about something doesn't mean you have to believe it. And anyway, it was my understanding that they were going to teach creationism in addition to evolution, not instead of. I don't see what the problem is, considering so many people in their world believe in creationism. It doesn't hurt you to know what other people believe.

I see nothing wrong with teaching one religion's creation myth in the context of a comparative religion course, as long as it isn't an attempt to proselytize. Ideally, such a course would include several creation myths from a variety of religions. It doesn't have to include every religion, but it shouldn't include only one, either. (I've been reading "Don't Know Much About Mythology" by Kenneth Davis, which offers summaries about numerous creation myths from different religions.)

In any case, I believe the Kansas school board had a sectarian objective, not a secular one. It seemed like a majority of members wanted to lead students to Christianity. And that is my objection. In principle, I believe it's wrong to want to change other people's religious beliefs. I believe it's especially wrong for an area of government to have that objective.

 

[Larry Gude]

Tonio...

the radical Christians want to use public schools to push their religious beliefs on other people's kids. They want to do that through mandatory prayer and through the teaching of creationism in science classes. I see those measures as attempts to coerce.

...do you remember algebra? European history? How about how to conjugate a verb? What we all remember from school is irrelevant to our lives from the standpoint of who we are. If you became an engineer, OK. Teacher, OK. Then, it means something, means more, it is a bigger part what you became, what you are. Think about the pledge of allegiance. Now think about how many people who could recite it in their sleep and yet would burn that flag in a heartbeat to protest some public policy or idea they disagree with. Some imposition of faith, huh?

In the US, we have religious freedom and the only people of faith who mean it are the people who mean it and ONLY they know and ONLY they care. Pizzing and moaning about Jerry Falwell or Sister Mother Superior and how they shoved God down someones throat is done by people who typically turn right around, when someone says 'there's too much trash on tv' and say "THEN DON'T WATCH."

And yet, it's just about as easy to not be confronted with crap TV, radio and advertising as it is to not hear the National Anthem or be exposed to the pledge or God. At the end of the day, watching Madonna doesn't make us live our lives her way, nor Falwell nor Robertson and saying the pledge doesn't make us jump in front of buses or blow ourselves up in it's defense. We CHOOSE that. Or not. We're Americans. We're suppose to be the ones who understand how free will works.

Usama isn't interested in our choices or free will. He says so. It's his way and that's it. Saddam, Hitler, Stalin, Tojo, all sides of the same coin. They all seek or sought to have things their way, for everybody, but, being an American is bigger than that, than all or any of them, at least so far, and that is what scares and ends them all, so far. No one imposes freedom.

We do nothing but waste time crying about this or that slight, real or imagined, in the land of the free. All while the enemy is at our gate, seeking to kill freedom before it washes them, yet one more real tyrant, away.

 

[Otter]

good tread...that is all

 

[dems4me]

good tread...that is all

Here Otter, they won't find us here!

 

[residentofcre]

I could offer quotes from Deuteronomy where believers are ordered to kill family members that worship rival gods. I could describe the systematic harrassment of non-Christian cadets at the Air Force Academy.

But those don't mean that "faith and love" is all a deception when it comes to Christianity. It simply means, to me, that evangelism in ANY religion is contrary the idea of "faith and love."

Deuteronomy is old testament [Jewish Law and History].... Jesus taught Faith & Love because He had come and would be the intercessor....

So... see the difference?

Bet someone tells me to take this to the religion forum like they did last time... but that's the difference in philosophy between "Radical" Christian Faith & Love...and Muslim/Islamic points...

 

[Kain99]

Want an example that is a lil more recent?

KKK

You guys can believe anything you want. The truth is that Christian zealots existed in the past and they exist today. The facts are the facts.

On a more personal note, I am a Christian and not all that long ago I wanted all Muslim countries turned into a sheet of glass. I wanted them irradicated.

People are fallible and people - Christians included are more than capable of hate.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

KKK

What do Kool Kolored Kids have to do with this??

 

[Tonio]

And yet, it's just about as easy to not be confronted with crap TV, radio and advertising as it is to not hear the National Anthem or be exposed to the pledge or God. At the end of the day, watching Madonna doesn't make us live our lives her way, nor Falwell nor Robertson and saying the pledge doesn't make us jump in front of buses or blow ourselves up in it's defense. We CHOOSE that. Or not. We're Americans. We're suppose to be the ones who understand how free will works.

I agree with you for the most part. I just have an issue when a believer in any religion tells others that they're going to hell. An adult or even a 16-year-old would shrug it off like you said above, but a 5-year-old would be much more vunlerable.

 

[Tonio]

Deuteronomy is old testament [Jewish Law and History].... Jesus taught Faith & Love because He had come and would be the intercessor....

So... see the difference?

Sort of. I suspect that difference isn't obvious to casual readers of the Bible, people who have little or no religious instruction from church or Sunday school. If Jesus did indeed overturn Jewish law, I wonder why the early Christians didn't redact those sections of the Old Testament. Some corporations do this with their policies or bylaws, showing deleted sections as crossed out.

 

[vraiblonde]

KKK

The KKK had/has very little to do with religion and almost everything to do with race, you dingleberry

 

[vraiblonde]

Sort of. I suspect that difference isn't obvious to casual readers of the Bible, people who have little or no religious instruction from church or Sunday school. If Jesus did indeed overturn Jewish law, I wonder why the early Christians didn't redact those sections of the Old Testament. Some corporations do this with their policies or bylaws, showing deleted sections as crossed out.

The OT is a history book - the NT is what Christians base their faith on. Jesus was very clear that the OT way of doing things was wrong and that's why God sent him to earth - to straighten everyone out.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth;
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
-Matthew 5:37-38

Refers to:

Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
-Leviticus 24:20

 

[vraiblonde]

Interesting to note the similarities between the OT and the Quran. Is there a New Testament type addition to the Quran that teaches hope and love and tells you to turn the other cheek?

I'm not aware that there is. So maybe that's their problem - their Messiah hasn't arrived yet to tell them to cut it out.

 

[FireBrand]

WKKK
Is'nt that 102.9 FM.
So Mo's country music radio ???

 

[Kain99]

WKKK
Is'nt that 102.9 FM.
So Mo's country music radio ???

No my silly friend... That would be WKI K

BIG difference!

 

[Kain99]

The KKK had/has very little to do with religion and almost everything to do with race, you dingleberry

Wrong Momma! Please research their doctrine. TIA!

 

[Kain99]

Oh! and whilst I am here..... How about....

The Abortion Clinic Bombers?

Dismiss that!

 

[Kain99]

And HELLO people!

We have massive religious nuts here in America! They issue their own "Fatwas. "

How about the nuttiest of them all??? the so-called Rev. Pat Robertson, who urged the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez?

When his "Fatwa" caused an uproar among more sensible evangelicals, Idiot Robertson first said he was misquoted - which he wasn't - and then apologized as if he didn't mean what he said. So he's not just a nut, he's a liar.

Possibly, he is a dangerous liar.

I am shocked and saddened at the "Christians are all fabulous people, band wagon jumping" that has occured here today!

Christians can be maniacal lunatics! As I have mentioned before - People are people and in general they suck!

God! Am I honestly, the only person here, not afraid to say so?

 

[vraiblonde]

The Abortion Clinic Bombers?

FINALLY you come up a legitimate, modern example!

Yep, there are nuts in all religions. I'll bet there are even Buddhist nuts. Zoroastrian nuts.

And we see these nuts regularly killing people and blowing things up. Happens all the time. Every day in fact. Thousands and thousands of people killed by these religious loonies. It's a real problem with these people.

Right?