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Novus Collectus

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godsbutterfly said:
I know they don't but if you have the gun in your possession and you are having a heated arguement over "whatever" there is a greater chance you are going to shoot somebody than if you have to lunge at somebody and bash their brains in or look for a nearby rock etc. I met some felons I would never want to see have a gun again.
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Statistically that is not provable beyond correlation, and logically the opposite can be argued. An armed person may show more restraint than one that is unarmed in many cases thereby not letting the situation escalate. We can never know how many attacks were avoided because of this and we can only count the attacks that did occur and that leads us to Russia.
In Russia there is no private ownership of handguns and as a result handgun murder rate is lower than it is in the US....but overall murder is many times higher than in the US. If the idea that no gun means fewer incidents leading to murder is based on stats, then statistically Russia probably disproves that idea through correlation too.
 
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vraiblonde said:
I think you people who are advocating gun rights for felons are crazy. It never in a million years occurred to me that Larry Gude would suddenly develop this affinity for criminals and gnash his teeth that they are denied rights.

Mike Farrell called and he wants his candles back. :rolleyes:
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...you have some back peddling to do???

:lmao:
 
Novus Collectus

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vraiblonde said:
I think you people who are advocating gun rights for felons are crazy. It never in a million years occurred to me that Larry Gude would suddenly develop this affinity for criminals and gnash his teeth that they are denied rights.

Mike Farrell called and he wants his candles back. :rolleyes:
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Felons can get their gun rights back in a few ways already.
If they live a clean life then they have a chance, but if they are still doing questionable acts or criminal acts, then fugettaboutit.
 
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Larry Gude said:
...you have some back peddling to do???
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Let's see...you cite a blog. I cite a real news site:
Redskins' Taylor Critical After Shooting

The man Taylor allegedly hit, Ryan Hill, sued, seeking at least $15,000 in damages. Hill sustained bruises to his body, incurred medical expenses and lost wages because of the fight, the lawsuit said.
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Now I suppose it's possible that a guy whole stole two ATVs would sue the owner. Stranger things have happened.

So no, I don't have any backpeddling to do.
 
vraiblonde

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Novus Collectus said:
Felons can get their gun rights back in a few ways already.
If they live a clean life then they have a chance, but if they are still doing questionable acts or criminal acts, then fugettaboutit.
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And that's fine. But Taylor apparently has a history of banging with the gang and hanging out in the hood, so I highly doubt he is some model citizen.
 
FromTexas

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godsbutterfly said:
No, but the law looks at statistics and guns kill faster and more people at once.
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Guns kill faster? That makes them worse?! I guess being gutted by a rusty butter knife would be a preferable way to go.

Guns kill more people at once? I guess its those tricky bouncing bullets that are able to kill two or three people with one shot.

How much crack did you smoke before this post?
 
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AK-74me said:
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I am not talking about murderers getting rights back because I don't want them to be alive in the first place. The point is that once released back into society all people should have the right to defend themselves, period!
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I dont know what country you live in, but in my USA there are plenty of convicted murderers walking the streets. i dont want any of them to be carrying weapons.

Now dont get me wrong, i wish they would hang 'em all and be done with it, but we dont and as a result there are a lot that end up being our neighbors. I think if you kill somebody you should lose some rights. i dont think the founders envisioned a country where murderers we not executed.
 
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FromTexas said:
Guns kill faster? That makes them worse?! I guess being gutted by a rusty butter knife would be a preferable way to go.
Guns kill more people at once? I guess its those tricky bouncing bullets that are able to kill two or three people with one shot.

How much crack did you smoke before this post?
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Hey, let's make machine guns legal now!:sarcasm:
Gun lovers get off on insulting their opponents. Perfect for the GOP/Swift boat crowd...
 
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Plan B said:
Hey, let's make machine guns legal now!:sarcasm:
Gun lovers get off on insulting their opponents. Perfect for the GOP/Swift boat crowd...
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Machine guns ARE legal! You just need to pay the $250.00 for the tax stamp and apply for the permit. Relatively painless to get. You better go to plan C!

Yeah, we insult our opponents with the facts, not blown up lies and twisted truths like the anti-self defence crowd!
 
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PsyOps said:
Okay... I'm jumping into this a little late but, if I have a gun in my home to protect myself exactly how am I supposed to use it without BRANDISHING IT?
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He didn't have the gun in his home to protect himself. He grabbed the gun, left the project house where he was staying, and went in search of the guy he thought stole his ATVs.

Now, I don't know about you all, but I'm not particularly interested in having hood boys running around dispensing justice with a firearm.
 
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vraiblonde said:
Great, but I've officially lost interest. And I still think that he #1) shouldn't have gone after the thief on his own, he should have called the cops like normal people do; and #2) shouldn't be allowed to own a gun, as he committed a violent felony.
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You keep saying felony, but he pled to two misdemeanors. The only reason he was not allowed to have a gun is that he was on probation.

There are many people on probation who still have guns, so the fact that he was following the rules gives a little bit of credence to the thought that he is not a typical gang banger.

I've also heard that the gang-bangers will target someone who tries to leave the thug life behind. It's possible Taylor was trying to do the right thing and paid for it.

I'm thinking this is one murder that will be quickly solved.
 
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vraiblonde said:
He didn't have the gun in his home to protect himself. He grabbed the gun, left the project house where he was staying, and went in search of the guy he thought stole his ATVs.

Now, I don't know about you all, but I'm not particularly interested in having hood boys running around dispensing justice with a firearm.
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We have a two-fold problem with guns. We have folks that want to ban guns from normal citizen ownership because we are concerned they are going to dispense their own form of justice. This is a valid argument IF there were stats to back it up. There aren't. The second part of the problem is this puts the advantage in the criminals' hands. They are dispensing their own form of justice by taking advantage of an unarmed society. DC is a good example of an unarmed society that is replete with crime.

That aside... I'm with you on the Sean Taylor thing though. His behavior reeks of the criminal. It’s my guess there is more to this story than is being reported. He has a shady background. I sense this was more than just a botched robbery. As the season goes on the facts will unfold. Sean Taylor seems to be a victim of his own doing.
 
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