I'm wondering...

mAlice

professional daydreamer
dustin said:
Compare loving God to lovin your BMW. It's got all the good stuff, and brings happiness to your life, but if you treat it wrong it will put you in a ditch.


So you're saying I treated god wrong by going to church several times a week, being saved, saying my prayers, having bible study at least once a week, abstaining from anything and everything that might even remotely be viewed as bad/immoral/unhealthy, and truly believing?

Yeah, I guess I can see where I went wrong.
 

dustin

UAIOE
crabcake said:
Well, outside the National Enquirer, I haven't seen/heard any reports of God talking to people, parting seas, etc. I've never experienced it, nor anyone I know.

The closest thing to a "God-like" act I can attest to was when my Grandmother died (literally, those last couple breaths), she looked up and her eyes -- which hadn't opened for a day or two -- got really wide like she was seeing something we couldn't. But the realist in me can also fathom that being the physical reaction of one's last breath. :ohwell:
So you are looking for huge miracles? Or for the little miracles?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
crabcake said:
k, so why doesn't he do that nowadays? :shrug: Is he on hiatus? Did he toss his hands up in the air and just say "screw it; I give up"? What was so special about those people vs. people today?

And as sarcastic as that sounds, yes, I'm serious.
Nope. He didn't give up. He gave the job to Christians. Some of us don't follow our commission. Some of us do a miserable job of proclaiming. Some of us try to argue people into believing (I fell into that category. I try not to do it now.) And some, like Billy Graham do a fairly good job of proclamation.

Some people claim to be Christian but mislead people. They are the wolves in sheep's clothing that the Bible warns of. That is the reason it is important for people to read the Bible and compare what a person is preaching to the teachings of the Bible. If a person is contradicting the Bible, then that person is not a shepherd but a wolf.

I wish I could pray a prayer or do something magical that would make everyone that reads this thread believe and the spread the Good News, but I can't. I proclaim and try to answer questions to the best of my Biblical knowledge. I try not to take offense, but I sometimes fail because I am human.
 
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dems4me

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elaine said:
So you're saying I treated god wrong by going to church several times a week, being saved, saying my prayers, having bible study at least once a week, abstaining from anything and everything that might even remotely be viewed as bad/immoral/unhealthy, and truly believing?

Yeah, I guess I can see where I went wrong.


Maybe your faith is or was being tested, like in the Book of Job :smile:
 

Dondi

Dondi
elaine said:
:tap:

I'd still like a response to this. Why was I not good enough to experience whatever it is that christians are supposed to experience. The thing that convinces them that there's something to believe, an enlightenment, if you will.

It's not about being good enough to experience God. You come to God as you are, faults, sins, inadequacies, everything. You have to be totally honest and open to God. Come to Him with the attitude of wanting to know Him, seeking with your whole heart. Pray for His Love to be manifested to you. Release yourself to Him. I don't know how else to explain it. But if you're serious with God, you will find Him. It takes daring humility. I pray you will find this Love of God, elaine. Seek it fervently.
 

dustin

UAIOE
elaine said:
So you're saying I treated god wrong by going to church several times a week, being saved, saying my prayers, having bible study at least once a week, abstaining from anything and everything that might even remotely be viewed as bad/immoral/unhealthy, and truly believing?

Yeah, I guess I can see where I went wrong.
What went wrong was that your heart was either never in the right place, or you "slipped" and skidded out from the love. All those things you talk about....thats based on a type of religion. What's important is what you feel in the inside. When you get that straightened out, then everything else will follow.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
elaine said:
:tap:

I'd still like a response to this. Why was I not good enough to experience whatever it is that christians are supposed to experience. The thing that convinces them that there's something to believe, an enlightenment, if you will.
No one can convince anyone to believe. I offer this.
Matthew 8:5-13

<sup id="en-NASB-23351">5</sup>And when Jesus entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, imploring Him,

<sup id="en-NASB-23352">6</sup>and saying, "Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, fearfully tormented."

<sup id="en-NASB-23353">7</sup>Jesus said to him, "I will come and heal him."

<sup id="en-NASB-23354">8</sup>But the centurion said, "Lord, I am not worthy for You to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed.

<sup id="en-NASB-23355">9</sup>"For I also am a man under authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to this one, 'Go!' and he goes, and to another, 'Come!' and he comes, and to my slave, 'Do this!' and he does it."

<sup id="en-NASB-23356">10</sup>Now when Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those who were following, "Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel.

<sup id="en-NASB-23357">11</sup>"I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;

<sup id="en-NASB-23358">12</sup>but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

<sup id="en-NASB-23359">13</sup>And Jesus said to the centurion, "Go; it shall be done for you as you have believed." And the servant was healed that very moment.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
elaine said:
So you're saying I treated god wrong by going to church several times a week, being saved, saying my prayers, having bible study at least once a week, abstaining from anything and everything that might even remotely be viewed as bad/immoral/unhealthy, and truly believing?

Yeah, I guess I can see where I went wrong.
Remember the scribes and Pharisees also were very religious. Going to church and doing "all the right things" gets us nowhere. People cannot earn their way into the kingdom of God. It is only by God's grace that we are saved. God knows our heart. I still have great hope for you. :huggy:
 
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crabcake

But wait, there's more...
dustin said:
So you are looking for huge miracles? Or for the little miracles?
I'm not looking for anything in particular. I guess you could say there were "miracles" in my life ... the birth of my daughter (who was the result of well-timed sex); that I didn't get shot when I was carjacked (perhaps the guy was too high on coke to figure out how to use the gun); that I didn't kill my ex-h for being a jackass at times during our marriage (that was self-control on my part and knowing I'd get him back later).

Other "miracles" ... ill people being cured -- modern medicine; survivors of the tsunami -- they got lucky ... it just all boils down to one's beliefs, and mine aren't such that I chalk everyday happenings up to "God's work" when I see God ignoring so many other things. :shrug:
 

dustin

UAIOE
elaine said:
So you're saying I treated god wrong by going to church several times a week, being saved, saying my prayers, having bible study at least once a week, abstaining from anything and everything that might even remotely be viewed as bad/immoral/unhealthy, and truly believing?

Yeah, I guess I can see where I went wrong.
Or maybe your just not ready yet :shrug:

If youre not ready to believe yet, that's ok, noone should pressure you into believing something you don't want to.

In the meantime, keep questioning,....and you will come to a conclusion eventually.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
The one thing you all seem to be missing is that I did believe, with all of my heart. So, if god does exist, I'll just have to assume that he isn't interested in me and has no place for me. TYVM.
 

Nanny Pam

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crabcake said:
The closest thing to a "God-like" act I can attest to was when my Grandmother died (literally, those last couple breaths), she looked up and her eyes -- which hadn't opened for a day or two -- got really wide like she was seeing something we couldn't. But the realist in me can also fathom that being the physical reaction of one's last breath. :ohwell:


I beg to differ, my little cupcake. :huggy:

Mom had been on heavy Morphine (sp) for 2 days. She didn't have an ounce of strength in her tiny, frail little body. Remember....we couldn't even get her to drink. We gave her ice chips. The Morphine we gave her was in liquid form.
I know that Mom saw God. How do I know this? I can't answer that ... but I know it. I believe in what I saw her face "do." Where did that light (in her face) come from? It came from her knowing she was going to her reward. (which she definately deserved after raising her kids) :angel:


..... and that is all I can say right now.
 

dustin

UAIOE
crabcake said:
I'm not looking for anything in particular. I guess you could say there were "miracles" in my life ... the birth of my daughter (who was the result of well-timed sex); that I didn't get shot when I was carjacked (perhaps the guy was too high on coke to figure out how to use the gun); that I didn't kill my ex-h for being a jackass at times during our marriage (that was self-control on my part and knowing I'd get him back later).

Other "miracles" ... ill people being cured -- modern medicine; survivors of the tsunami -- they got lucky ... it just all boils down to one's beliefs, and mine aren't such that I chalk everyday happenings up to "God's work" when I see God ignoring so many other things. :shrug:
See it all depends on your prespective on life :lol:

you know everyone has a choice to believe what they want. And everyone is gonna give you a different answer as to what they believe and how.

It's easy to overlook the good things in life while our media is exploiting the bad. Focus more on the positive, and you will see there is more out there...:smile:
 
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dems4me

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dustin said:
What went wrong was that your heart was either never in the right place, or you "slipped" and skidded out from the love. All those things you talk about....thats based on a type of religion. What's important is what you feel in the inside. When you get that straightened out, then everything else will follow.


Kind of like the analogy of the post man that slips and falls down in the blinding snow delivering the mail, the point is, yes he slipped, but he didn’t stay on the ground thinking, why me? why did this happen? life sucks...etc. He got back up and continued his route... he didn’t fall backwards and all the way down the street, he just slipped and feel where he was at....
Sometimes folks fall away from the Lord but instead of staying there wondering all the whys, sometimes its best to just get back up and start where you left off at. This is encouraged in the Bible. 2A, what is the exact scripture for this where the Lord loves a repentant returner to the Lord more so than the love he has for someone that never left? It happens, we all fall and slip at times and yes its humbling, but through spirit and faith you get back up and continue on your path, no matter what life throws at you.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
crabcake said:
The closest thing to a "God-like" act I can attest to was when my Grandmother died (literally, those last couple breaths), she looked up and her eyes -- which hadn't opened for a day or two -- got really wide like she was seeing something we couldn't. But the realist in me can also fathom that being the physical reaction of one's last breath. :ohwell:
We are called to have the faith of a little child. Does K question everything you tell her? She believes you because you are her mommy. I believe God because He is my Father.

My mother was in the hospital once. After she recovered, she told me that when she looked at us when my dad a I went to visit, that she saw Jesus standing behind us.

There are spiritual beings around us all the time. Sometimes we see them. Sometimes we don't see them.


2 Kings 6:15-17

<sup id="en-NASB-9690">15</sup>Now when the attendant of the man of God had risen early and gone out, behold, an army with horses and chariots was circling the city. And his servant said to him, "Alas, my master! What shall we do?"

<sup id="en-NASB-9691">16</sup>So he answered, "Do not fear, for those who are with us are more than those who are with them."

<sup id="en-NASB-9692">17</sup>Then Elisha prayed and said, "O LORD, I pray, open his eyes that he may see " And the LORD opened the servant's eyes and he saw; and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
 

dustin

UAIOE
elaine said:
The one thing you all seem to be missing is that I did believe, with all of my heart. So, if god does exist, I'll just have to assume that he isn't interested in me and has no place for me. TYVM.
Are you looking for an answer? Or have you already decided and think you will never change your mind?
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
dustin said:
Are you looking for an answer? Or have you already decided and think you will never change your mind?

Why are you answering my question with a question?
 

dustin

UAIOE
elaine said:
Why are you answering my question with a question?
I'm just having a hard time understanding where you are coming from, as this is never happened to me.

I tried to explain what I know, but I believe your situation is past my experience level. It would have been better if I had some kind of better insight for you to take in...

I wish you the best in trying to figure out what you want in life :smile:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
dems4me said:
2A, what is the exact scripture for this where the Lord loves a repentant returner to the Lord more so than the love he has for someone that never left?
The parable of the prodigal son.
Luke 15:11-32

<sup id="en-NASB-25600">11</sup>And He said, "A man had two sons. <sup id="en-NASB-25601">12</sup>"The younger of them said to his father, 'Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me ' So he divided his wealth between them.

<sup id="en-NASB-25602">13</sup>"And not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country, and there he squandered his estate with loose living.

<sup id="en-NASB-25603">14</sup>"Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be impoverished.

<sup id="en-NASB-25604">15</sup>"So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

<sup id="en-NASB-25605">16</sup>"And he would have gladly filled his stomach with the pods that the swine were eating, and no one was giving anything to him.

<sup id="en-NASB-25606">17</sup>"But when he came to his senses, he said, 'How many of my father's hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger!

<sup id="en-NASB-25607">18</sup>'I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight;

<sup id="en-NASB-25608">19</sup>I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men."'

<sup id="en-NASB-25609">20</sup>"So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him.

<sup id="en-NASB-25610">21</sup>"And the son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.'

<sup id="en-NASB-25611">22</sup>"But the father said to his slaves, 'Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet;

<sup id="en-NASB-25612">23</sup>and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate;

<sup id="en-NASB-25613">24</sup>for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.' And they began to celebrate.

<sup id="en-NASB-25614">25</sup>"Now his older son was in the field, and when he came and approached the house, he heard music and dancing.

<sup id="en-NASB-25615">26</sup>"And he summoned one of the servants and began inquiring what these things could be.

<sup id="en-NASB-25616">27</sup>"And he said to him, 'Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has received him back safe and sound.'

<sup id="en-NASB-25617">28</sup>"But he became angry and was not willing to go in; and his father came out and began pleading with him.

<sup id="en-NASB-25618">29</sup>"But he answered and said to his father, 'Look! For so many years I have been serving you and I have never neglected a command of yours; and yet you have never given me a young goat, so that I might celebrate with my friends;

<sup id="en-NASB-25619">30</sup>but when this son of yours came, who has devoured your wealth with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him.'

<sup id="en-NASB-25620">31</sup>"And he said to him, 'Son, you have always been with me, and all that is mine is yours.

<sup id="en-NASB-25621">32</sup>'But we had to celebrate and rejoice, for this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found.'"
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
elaine said:
The one thing you all seem to be missing is that I did believe, with all of my heart. So, if god does exist, I'll just have to assume that he isn't interested in me and has no place for me. TYVM.
God is certainly interested in you. He loves you just as He loves us all.
 
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