Starman3000m
New Member
I'll ask the same of you Xaquin. What do you believe about Christianity, why do you discredit it and what do you really believe.
I'll wait for both of your answers on this thread.
In case you
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I'll ask the same of you Xaquin. What do you believe about Christianity, why do you discredit it and what do you really believe.
I'll wait for both of your answers on this thread.
Starman3000m
New Member
I suppose that will be Nucklesack's answer? You seem to be speaking for him lately. lol
Xaquin44
New Member
show me one instance.
Starman3000m
New Member
When I asked Nucklesack:
OK - so which is the "One" you believe in?
You wrote:
When I asked Nucklesack:
I would like to know then what your understanding of Christianity is, why you discredit it and what you really believe. Would that be too much to ask?
You replied:
My questions were directed to Nucklesack. I was waiting for his answers.
This_person
Well-Known Member
Do you really believe it is so outside of credibility to believe in something without proof as to call it lack of sanity?
Does that go for people who believe abiogenesis? Human evolution? Big Bang? Etc., etc? Or, just the things YOU choose not to believe in?
This_person
Well-Known Member
That's two, he only asked for one. Jeesh.
Xaquin44
New Member
note, that I did not speak for him once, but rather explained his painfully obvious post once, and told you as much to do a search at the next.
neither time did I speak for him.
you're exceptionally good at saying things are truth and presenting no evidence to back up your claims.
edit: also, there is nothing stopping him from responding to you, I was just trying to let you in on a little obvious information in case you wanted to know it.
neither time did I speak for him.
you're exceptionally good at saying things are truth and presenting no evidence to back up your claims.
edit: also, there is nothing stopping him from responding to you, I was just trying to let you in on a little obvious information in case you wanted to know it.
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
These things you mention stand or fall on the facts that support it, not if someone "believes" in it. Evolution, for example, will continue because it is supported my mountains of evidence, and it won't stop because someone doesn't "believe" in it.
This_person
Well-Known Member
While we can debate the relative merits of the "mountains of evidence", that does not answer the other issues.
The evidence that supports all of the concepts I listed is as testable and fullfilling as the evidence that supports religious concepts. For example, to test (and thus provide "evidence" for) the Big Bang Theory, one must start where no universe exists, and create one. For human evolution and abiogenesis, one must start with a planet in the (as yet unknown/unprovable) condition the earth was, and witness the evolutionary process from no life, to single celled life, to the vast plethora of different life forms that exist today. I don't think that'll be happening any time soon, and thus leaves us with the same "evidence" (read: conjecture) as everything else.
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
Well, we've been thru this one before, haven't we? Support your assertion with something concrete, and then we can test that assertion for accuracy. A great exmaple on the scientific side is evolution: Once it was just an idea in a couple of people's heads. But then, after building a case for it, it was shown to have validity.
Can your theism match that?
brendar buhl
Doesn't seem Christian
Why should theism have to stand up to scientific standards? That's like me rejecting evolution because it won't "save my soul".
Xaquin44
New Member
because if you're going to saunter about spouting off statements as fact, it's always a good idea to have some evidence. Especially if you're going to ask for 10% of their income and/or damn them to an eternity in hell.
also, proponants of evolution couldn't generally care less about 'saving your soul' in the context of the theory.
In other words, evolution make no claims on the soul so you would be rejecting it on a belief that the theory itself has no claim on.
Starman3000m
New Member
Even though we may have parrallel thoughts, he doesnt speak for me. I do have to work occasionally
My problems with ALL religions, not specifically yours, is they all suffer from the same failure of logic. You and others (of your own or other beliefs) obviously dont see it the same as myself and others non-believers.
thats it short and sweet
Even if there were no religious beliefs, Nucklesack, I can almost guess that Atheists would still never be able to agree among themselves in regard to the origins of life. The real problem with Atheists is that the concept of a Supreme Creator Being becomes a "thorn" in their side and this in turns results in contempt and antagonism toward anyone who believes in Creationism. It is evident by the constant attacks and ridicule that Atheists launch against one who believes in God.
And, even if there were no "religious" values regarding loving your neighbor and enemy as Jesus taught, I am quite sure that mankind would never be able to grasp that concept on their own. Mankind would still be at war with one another and hate for others would abound just as much.
With so much disagreement among non-religious humanistic values, i.e., Communism & Marxism, Non-believers are the ones who seem to suffer from a failure of logic. In the end, There Is Only One Truth.
Starman3000m
New Member
Only because you have failed to seek Truth and when anyone places it in front of you cannot accept it.
Jesus said, " I Am The Way, The Truth and The Life; No Man Can Come Unto The Father except through Me." (John 14.6)
tommyjones
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Starman3000m
New Member
i'm pretty sure Charlie Manson and Jim Jones said about the same things
You forgot to mention "Hitler"! lol
And perhaps you are not aware of what Jesus said in regard to anyone who claims to be one of His followers:
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock..."
(Matthew 7:22-24)
