In support of the Apocrypha

[thatguy]

It's more than faith, my friend, it is the personal encounter through God's Divine intervention that confirmed the New Testamnet account that Jesus is The Son of God. Something many people deny, but then again, many denied Him and mocked His claim to be The Son of God. Not all roads lead to God - there is only One Way and One Truth.

I would hope that you would take the time to read the New Testament accounts of Jesus and decide for yourself from that point. Your argument about what is Truth is actually not with me but with Jesus' claim to be the Saviour of mankind and the door to Salvation. As stated, people who have had a spiritual encounter with God's presence of His Holy Spirit are revealed The Truth. Have you ever really read the New Testament accounts?

With so many religions and philosophical ideologies in the world, perhaps you can share what your concept of the Truth really is since There Is Only One Truth.

What do you belive to be true?

its all your opinion, and as libby stated so well, many have made similar claims of devine inspiration. You are not unique in your claim.

for all we KNOW the one truth could be that there are many paths to salvation

 

[Starman3000m]

Every single devoutly religious person can make all of the statements that you are making as evidence that his/her particular brand of faith is the one Truth.
Joseph Smith claims to have had an encounter with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. He claims something far more compelling than you do, a face to face encounter. Just because he makes such a claim does not make the gospel of the LDS church true, and neither does it for you.
If you are sincerely loving Jesus Christ and doing what you believe to be right, then I believe by His Merits you will go to Heaven.
I also believe a Muslim, who is truly seeking God, but somehow misses the boat, will see Heaven, too.

libby, the "face to face" encounter that Joseph Smith claimed is proven as totally unscriptural since no man has seen God, according to the Holy Bible and the only way we see God is through Jesus Christ, who was God in the flesh.

When I was studying Mormonism with the LDS missionaries, I believed that perhaps their "religion" was the true one. That was when I was searching for Truth. The missionaries asked me to pray about their church - they were confident that I would agree the Joseph Smith was indeed a "prophet" of God.

Here is the testimony of my encounter with the LDS teachings:
It was in 1976, prior to my wife's and my conversion to Christ that I was really searching for the Truth of God. That's when I almost fell for the deceptive claim that the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" was the "true church".

I had a little bit of Biblical knowledge at that time but the missionaries appeared to know everything about the "Bible" and about living right for God. Boy, that's what I wanted and was eager to learn. I also had met many kind, warm and loving Mormons whose lives sure out-did those who professed to be "Christians". The Mormon family life is to be highly commended for how they care for one another at home and in their ward.

Long story short... The first meetings with the LDS missionaries were cordial and more like a "warm-up" to prepare my wife and me for their teaching.

After a few week night meetings with the missionaries they popped up with how "God, the Father and Jesus, The Son," both appeared to Joseph Smith. I was not aware of that happening at all until they told me. The missionaries then told me that God said to Joseph Smith, "This is my beloved Son, here ye Him." Then they talked about how the angel Moroni revealed "truth" and guided Joseph Smith to "golden tablets" that only he could read through special glasses. They talked about ancient tribes on the American continent and "spirit babies" that were waiting to be born in order to come into this world.

My wife, was an Atheist and quit attending the meetings after two sessions. She wanted nothing to do with any religion at all! I was still curious and wanting to learn. Here is the real kicker: The Mormon missionaries were so sure that I was ready to become a Mormon that they challenged me to "pray about it" and to ask God to show me how Mormonism was the "true religion." I now realize this is a psychological tactic used by liars who can be so bold in a statement that no one would challenge it and accept it as true.

I agreed that I would pray about the LDS Church being the "true church" and then the Mormon missionaries left for the evening. As I mentioned, I was desperately searching for God and wanted to know which church to join.
Through the week I prayed in earnest about what the Mormon missionaries had told me - about Joseph Smith being a prophet of God, LDS being the "true church", etc.

Then, within my thoughts, I was reminded of a scripture that I had once read:
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24)

My discernment was that while Joseph Smith could have seen the resurrected Lord Jesus, Smith could not have possibly seen the "personage" of God, the Father appearing as a second figure of a man. The New Testament makes it clear that we would be able to see Jesus in his resurrected body but does not state that man would personally see God, except through Jesus alone.

When the Mormon missionaries came back the following Monday night, the lead elder looked at me with a smile and said, "Well, did you pray about our church?" I replied, yes, I prayed about it. The missionary asked, "Good, what did God tell you?" I matter-of factly said, "God showed me that your church is NOT the true church."

Boy did that take them back in a startled surprise! The junior missionary was speechless and literally had a look of horror on his face. The elder was also speechless for a moment, gathered his composure and said, "Well, why don't you think we are the true church?" I then explained about my earnest prayer to God and how God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son could not both appear as two individual "personages" in human form because God was a Spirit and Jesus only could appear in His resurrected body.

They tried to make explanations but I stopped them at that point and said, no thanks, I think we need to stop our meetings at this time and confidently but courteously said that I no longer wished to meet with them.

Again, remember that at this time I had not yet been born-again but I was sincerely searching for Truth and God was Faithful. Praise Almighty God for His Love and Patience with a wretch like me. Amen.

 

[libby]

libby, the "face to face" encounter that Joseph Smith claimed is proven as totally unscriptural since no man has seen God, according to the Holy Bible and the only way we see God is through Jesus Christ, who was God in the flesh.

When I was studying Mormonism with the LDS missionaries, I believed that perhaps their "religion" was the true one. That was when I was searching for Truth. The missionaries asked me to pray about their church - they were confident that I would agree the Joseph Smith was indeed a "prophet" of God.

Here is the testimony of my encounter with the LDS teachings:
It was in 1976, prior to my wife's and my conversion to Christ that I was really searching for the Truth of God. That's when I almost fell for the deceptive claim that the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" was the "true church".

I had a little bit of Biblical knowledge at that time but the missionaries appeared to know everything about the "Bible" and about living right for God. Boy, that's what I wanted and was eager to learn. I also had met many kind, warm and loving Mormons whose lives sure out-did those who professed to be "Christians". The Mormon family life is to be highly commended for how they care for one another at home and in their ward.

Long story short... The first meetings with the LDS missionaries were cordial and more like a "warm-up" to prepare my wife and me for their teaching.

After a few week night meetings with the missionaries they popped up with how "God, the Father and Jesus, The Son," both appeared to Joseph Smith. I was not aware of that happening at all until they told me. The missionaries then told me that God said to Joseph Smith, "This is my beloved Son, here ye Him." Then they talked about how the angel Moroni revealed "truth" and guided Joseph Smith to "golden tablets" that only he could read through special glasses. They talked about ancient tribes on the American continent and "spirit babies" that were waiting to be born in order to come into this world.

My wife, was an Atheist and quit attending the meetings after two sessions. She wanted nothing to do with any religion at all! I was still curious and wanting to learn. Here is the real kicker: The Mormon missionaries were so sure that I was ready to become a Mormon that they challenged me to "pray about it" and to ask God to show me how Mormonism was the "true religion." I now realize this is a psychological tactic used by liars who can be so bold in a statement that no one would challenge it and accept it as true.

I agreed that I would pray about the LDS Church being the "true church" and then the Mormon missionaries left for the evening. As I mentioned, I was desperately searching for God and wanted to know which church to join.
Through the week I prayed in earnest about what the Mormon missionaries had told me - about Joseph Smith being a prophet of God, LDS being the "true church", etc.

Then, within my thoughts, I was reminded of a scripture that I had once read:
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24)

My discernment was that while Joseph Smith could have seen the resurrected Lord Jesus, Smith could not have possibly seen the "personage" of God, the Father appearing as a second figure of a man. The New Testament makes it clear that we would be able to see Jesus in his resurrected body but does not state that man would personally see God, except through Jesus alone.

When the Mormon missionaries came back the following Monday night, the lead elder looked at me with a smile and said, "Well, did you pray about our church?" I replied, yes, I prayed about it. The missionary asked, "Good, what did God tell you?" I matter-of factly said, "God showed me that your church is NOT the true church."

Boy did that take them back in a startled surprise! The junior missionary was speechless and literally had a look of horror on his face. The elder was also speechless for a moment, gathered his composure and said, "Well, why don't you think we are the true church?" I then explained about my earnest prayer to God and how God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son could not both appear as two individual "personages" in human form because God was a Spirit and Jesus only could appear in His resurrected body.

They tried to make explanations but I stopped them at that point and said, no thanks, I think we need to stop our meetings at this time and confidently but courteously said that I no longer wished to meet with them.

Again, remember that at this time I had not yet been born-again but I was sincerely searching for Truth and God was Faithful. Praise Almighty God for His Love and Patience with a wretch like me. Amen.

I believe I've read your testimony before, however just because YOU came to that conclusion does not mean that YOU are right. (for the record, I believe in the Trinitarian God you believe in) The LDS can be just as fervent in their prayer and their desire to know God as you are, but our (you, me, an LDS) fallen humanity can very well lead us to conclusions that suit our predispositions, our sense of logic, or whatever provides us with a feeling of a personal relationship.
Your defense of the Bible alone is great, it may seem well thought out to you and some others, but there are holes in the fundamental paradigm that cannot be explained away, IMO. In your opinion, it all fits. Great. As you said, we'll all find out in the end.

 

[thatguy]

libby, the "face to face" encounter that Joseph Smith claimed is proven as totally unscriptural since no man has seen God, according to the Holy Bible and the only way we see God is through Jesus Christ, who was God in the flesh.
When I was studying Mormonism with the LDS missionaries, I believed that perhaps their "religion" was the true one. That was when I was searching for Truth. The missionaries asked me to pray about their church - they were confident that I would agree the Joseph Smith was indeed a "prophet" of God.

Here is the testimony of my encounter with the LDS teachings:
It was in 1976, prior to my wife's and my conversion to Christ that I was really searching for the Truth of God. That's when I almost fell for the deceptive claim that the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" was the "true church".

I had a little bit of Biblical knowledge at that time but the missionaries appeared to know everything about the "Bible" and about living right for God. Boy, that's what I wanted and was eager to learn. I also had met many kind, warm and loving Mormons whose lives sure out-did those who professed to be "Christians". The Mormon family life is to be highly commended for how they care for one another at home and in their ward.

Long story short... The first meetings with the LDS missionaries were cordial and more like a "warm-up" to prepare my wife and me for their teaching.

After a few week night meetings with the missionaries they popped up with how "God, the Father and Jesus, The Son," both appeared to Joseph Smith. I was not aware of that happening at all until they told me. The missionaries then told me that God said to Joseph Smith, "This is my beloved Son, here ye Him." Then they talked about how the angel Moroni revealed "truth" and guided Joseph Smith to "golden tablets" that only he could read through special glasses. They talked about ancient tribes on the American continent and "spirit babies" that were waiting to be born in order to come into this world.

My wife, was an Atheist and quit attending the meetings after two sessions. She wanted nothing to do with any religion at all! I was still curious and wanting to learn. Here is the real kicker: The Mormon missionaries were so sure that I was ready to become a Mormon that they challenged me to "pray about it" and to ask God to show me how Mormonism was the "true religion." I now realize this is a psychological tactic used by liars who can be so bold in a statement that no one would challenge it and accept it as true.

I agreed that I would pray about the LDS Church being the "true church" and then the Mormon missionaries left for the evening. As I mentioned, I was desperately searching for God and wanted to know which church to join.
Through the week I prayed in earnest about what the Mormon missionaries had told me - about Joseph Smith being a prophet of God, LDS being the "true church", etc.

Then, within my thoughts, I was reminded of a scripture that I had once read:
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24)

My discernment was that while Joseph Smith could have seen the resurrected Lord Jesus, Smith could not have possibly seen the "personage" of God, the Father appearing as a second figure of a man. The New Testament makes it clear that we would be able to see Jesus in his resurrected body but does not state that man would personally see God, except through Jesus alone.

When the Mormon missionaries came back the following Monday night, the lead elder looked at me with a smile and said, "Well, did you pray about our church?" I replied, yes, I prayed about it. The missionary asked, "Good, what did God tell you?" I matter-of factly said, "God showed me that your church is NOT the true church."

Boy did that take them back in a startled surprise! The junior missionary was speechless and literally had a look of horror on his face. The elder was also speechless for a moment, gathered his composure and said, "Well, why don't you think we are the true church?" I then explained about my earnest prayer to God and how God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son could not both appear as two individual "personages" in human form because God was a Spirit and Jesus only could appear in His resurrected body.

They tried to make explanations but I stopped them at that point and said, no thanks, I think we need to stop our meetings at this time and confidently but courteously said that I no longer wished to meet with them.

Again, remember that at this time I had not yet been born-again but I was sincerely searching for Truth and God was Faithful. Praise Almighty God for His Love and Patience with a wretch like me. Amen.

god appeared to numerous people in various forms in the old testament. to pretend that this couldn't happen now is RETARDED. if it happened then, there is no reason to beleive that god wouldn't communicate with his followers in any form he chooses. Additionally, the Smith story is completely beleiveable when compared to the rest of the bible. There are several times in the story when god decides his people are on the wrong track and he communicates the need for a change directly to a person charged with spreading the word. there is no reason to believe that the mormons aren't the true followers of gods word.
It is your beliefs and doctrine that imposes the limits of jesus' resurected body on god's appearance to humans. that certainly isn't strictly biblical.

so what are the rules you have created for god to communicate to people?
please demonstrate with your personal experiences, you know, the times that god has communicated with you, and be speciffic, please

 

[Starman3000m]

god appeared to numerous people in various forms in the old testament. to pretend that this couldn't happen now is RETARDED. if it happened then, there is no reason to beleive that god wouldn't communicate with his followers in any form he chooses. Additionally, the Smith story is completely beleiveable when compared to the rest of the bible. There are several times in the story when god decides his people are on the wrong track and he communicates the need for a change directly to a person charged with spreading the word. there is no reason to believe that the mormons aren't the true followers of gods word.
It is your beliefs and doctrine that imposes the limits of jesus' resurected body on god's appearance to humans. that certainly isn't strictly biblical.

so what are the rules you have created for god to communicate to people?
please demonstrate with your personal experiences, you know, the times that god has communicated with you, and be speciffic, please

Hey there thatguy - thank you for asking. My personal experience and testimony has been posted on the Internet for several years - including here on the somd religion forum. Here are some links that should still work:

http://forums.somd.com/religion/109440-there-only-one-god-4.html

Testimony of Mike Ramirez

CARM, Christian Discussion Forums

 

[thatguy]

Hey there thatguy - thank you for asking. My personal experience and testimony has been posted on the Internet for several years - including here on the somd religion forum. Here are some links that should still work:

http://forums.somd.com/religion/109440-there-only-one-god-4.html

Testimony of Mike Ramirez

CARM, Christian Discussion Forums

so you read a book and were indoctrinated enough for god to speak to you?

how about the rest of my post? you know, the part about whatr limitations you are putting on god as to how he appears to humans?

 

[libby]

so you read a book and were indoctrinated enough for god to speak to you?

how about the rest of my post? you know, the part about whatr limitations you are putting on god as to how he appears to humans?

He's not going to answer the charges of the flaws in his argument, he's only going to pull out more Bible verses and tell you that your problem is with the word of God, not him.

 

[onel0126]

god appeared to numerous people in various forms in the old testament. to pretend that this couldn't happen now is RETARDED. if it happened then, there is no reason to beleive that god wouldn't communicate with his followers in any form he chooses. Additionally, the Smith story is completely beleiveable when compared to the rest of the bible. There are several times in the story when god decides his people are on the wrong track and he communicates the need for a change directly to a person charged with spreading the word. there is no reason to believe that the mormons aren't the true followers of gods word.
It is your beliefs and doctrine that imposes the limits of jesus' resurected body on god's appearance to humans. that certainly isn't strictly biblical.

so what are the rules you have created for god to communicate to people?
please demonstrate with your personal experiences, you know, the times that god has communicated with you, and be speciffic, please

Expanding on his comment above..... SM--do you believe apparitions happen/have happened. Let's put Marian apparitions aside and just talk about Christ. I read St. Faustina's diary--a very long read chronicling her interactions with Christ over a period of years as a Polish nun. Do you consider these to be unbiblical?

 

[Starman3000m]

Expanding on his comment above..... SM--do you believe apparitions happen/have happened. Let's put Marian apparitions aside and just talk about Christ. I read St. Faustina's diary--a very long read chronicling her interactions with Christ over a period of years as a Polish nun. Do you consider these to be unbiblical?

I will need to read what St. Faustina's diary mentions about the encounters and what was said to her. As you know, others, like Joseph Smith, Reverend Sun Myun Moon, etc. have claimed to have Jesus appear to them and give them instructions and "guidance" yet many false doctrines have developed from such encounter.

The Bible warns that all spirits should be put to the test to see whether they are of God. This, in order so as to not fall under the spiritual deception that Satan is good at doing through the use of misguided religions that may sound genuine but really take attention away from God's Truth as proclaimed in The Holy Bible.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1)

 

[thatguy]

I will need to read what St. Faustina's diary mentions about the encounters and what was said to her. As you know, others, like Joseph Smith, Reverend Sun Myun Moon, etc. have claimed to have Jesus appear to them and give them instructions and "guidance" yet many false doctrines have developed from such encounter.

The Bible warns that all spirits should be put to the test to see whether they are of God. This, in order so as to not fall under the spiritual deception that Satan is good at doing through the use of misguided religions that may sound genuine but really take attention away from God's Truth as proclaimed in The Holy Bible.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1)

so you know it when you hear god, but they were misguided and tempted by satan?

 

[Starman3000m]

so you know it when you hear god, but they were misguided and tempted by satan?

I only heard that audible voice once and it does not conflict at all with the Holy Bible but confirms the Gospel Message that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God and the protocal is that we must go through Him to be saved. (John 14:6)

BTW: I harbor no ill feelings regarding your ridicule and not being able to comprehend spiritual matters that I point out about other pseudo-Christian religions when they are literally in conflict with the Holy Bible.

The book I sent for, How Do We Know There Is A God, when I was searching for spiritual truths about God contains basic questions that many people have about God and Salvation and they are answered with Bible Scripture. It had scripture references to questions I had always wondered about.

If you own a Bible I would be glad to send you a copy of that book Free of Charge - no obligation at all other than for you to evaluate it for yourself and see how it answers many of the questions that people ask about even in this forum. The answers always reference Bible scripture and not interpretation of the author, John Warwick Montgomery.

If you do not own a Holy Bible I'd be happy to send one to you as well - Free and no obligation. Just PM me with your info of where to send the book(s).

 

[onel0126]

I harbor no ill feelings regarding your ridicule and not being able to comprehend spiritual matters that I point out about other pseudo-Christian religions when they are literally in conflict with the Holy Bible.

Truly amazing. How magnanimous of you. Turn that other cheek and while you are at it, ridicule the poster's ability to properly understand scripture....

 

[thatguy]

I only heard that audible voice once and it does not conflict at all with the Holy Bible but confirms the Gospel Message that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God and the protocal is that we must go through Him to be saved. (John 14:6)

BTW: I harbor no ill feelings regarding your ridicule and not being able to comprehend spiritual matters that I point out about other pseudo-Christian religions when they are literally in conflict with the Holy Bible.

The book I sent for, How Do We Know There Is A God, when I was searching for spiritual truths about God contains basic questions that many people have about God and Salvation and they are answered with Bible Scripture. It had scripture references to questions I had always wondered about.

If you own a Bible I would be glad to send you a copy of that book Free of Charge - no obligation at all other than for you to evaluate it for yourself and see how it answers many of the questions that people ask about even in this forum. The answers always reference Bible scripture and not interpretation of the author, John Warwick Montgomery.

If you do not own a Holy Bible I'd be happy to send one to you as well - Free and no obligation. Just PM me with your info of where to send the book(s).

so jesus himself taked to you, that is what you are saying? In an audible voice? and you know this wasn't satan how?


and i dont think you understand what "interpretation of the author" means either. Just about any argument can be supported with biblical referneces, its all interpretation which verses you choose to emphasize etc.

i dont need your book that explains how i should feel about the bible. I have read it myself and have made my own determination. I dont need to rely on some doctrine outstide the bible to guide me in my sprituality

 

[thatguy]

Truly amazing. How magnanimous of you. Turn that other cheek and while you are at it, ridicule the poster's ability to properly understand scripture....

not just scripture, but everything spritiual, and not just me, but everyone that disagrees with her

 

[Starman3000m]

so jesus himself taked to you, that is what you are saying? In an audible voice? and you know this wasn't satan how?

I don't think Satan would lead anyone to find salvation in Christ, however, it is the Holy Spirit of God that does and who testifies of the Divinity of Jesus.

Biblically, you are treading on dangerous ground if you are trying to imply that the audible voice I heard was from "Satan" and not take into consideration that it would have been the Holy Spirit of God that testifies the Truth about Jesus.

and i dont think you understand what "interpretation of the author" means either. Just about any argument can be supported with biblical referneces, its all interpretation which verses you choose to emphasize etc.

That's what I've been saying all along and the reasons there are so many false religions and pseudo-Christian cults such as the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, etc. They cannot all be right and yet they have people following and numbering in the several thousands.

i dont need your book that explains how i should feel about the bible. I have read it myself and have made my own determination. I dont need to rely on some doctrine outstide the bible to guide me in my sprituality

The book came at a time that I needed and guided me back to the Bible for all the answers. It did not introduce a new doctrine nor create other rituals or traditions like other religions do in order to keep their flock under control.
But, hey, at least I offered.

If you have read the Bible and made your own determination, as you say, I'd like to have you post what you have concluded - what is your determination?

 

[thatguy]

I don't think Satan would lead anyone to find salvation in Christ, however, it is the Holy Spirit of God that does and who testifies of the Divinity of Jesus.

Biblically, you are treading on dangerous ground if you are trying to imply that the audible voice I heard was from "Satan" and not take into consideration that it would have been the Holy Spirit of God that testifies the Truth about Jesus.


That's what I've been saying all along and the reasons there are so many false religions and pseudo-Christian cults such as the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, etc. They cannot all be right and yet they have people following and numbering in the several thousands.



The book came at a time that I needed and guided me back to the Bible for all the answers. It did not introduce a new doctrine nor create other rituals or traditions like other religions do in order to keep their flock under control.
But, hey, at least I offered.

If you have read the Bible and made your own determination, as you say, I'd like to have you post what you have concluded - what is your determination?

so when you hear voices it is jesus, but when others have encounters with god they are talking to satan? explain to me how YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

it certainly isn't in the bible that "god will talk to starman after he reads a book about some guys spin on christianity" because thats what it is, his interpretation that appealed to you, nothing more. As for doctrine, you certainly have created a doctrine of hating muslims and condeming any opposing view of god, neither of which was preached by jesus. Finally, you have created this doctrine that the creator of islam is not the same as the christian creator. the fact of the matter is that they are the same god, the jews, the muslims and the christians have the same creator, christians have just established the mother of all idols in the form of jesus the human god to pray to the creator through.


my read on the bible, it is a bunch of ancient storys that have only a very limited basis inThe One Truth or even facts at all.

 

[Starman3000m]

so when you hear voices it is jesus, but when others have encounters with god they are talking to satan? explain to me how YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

it certainly isn't in the bible that "god will talk to starman after he reads a book about some guys spin on christianity" because thats what it is, his interpretation that appealed to you, nothing more.

The purpose of God's Holy Spirit is to reveal Truth to those who are sincere in seeking the Truth of God. These are the written words of Jesus from the Holy Bible:
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: (John 15:26)

On the flipside, Satan can and does use religious deception with even the counterfeit appearance of "angels" and apparitions of "Jesus" through which false prophets have started pseudo-Christian cults and false religions as those previously mentioned.

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

As for doctrine, you certainly have created a doctrine of hating muslims and condeming any opposing view of god, neither of which was preached by jesus. Finally, you have created this doctrine that the creator of islam is not the same as the christian creator. the fact of the matter is that they are the same god, the jews, the muslims and the christians have the same creator, christians have just established the mother of all idols in the form of jesus the human god to pray to the creator through.

my read on the bible, it is a bunch of ancient storys that have only a very limited basis inThe One Truth or even facts at all.

The Holy Bible is the Standard for knowing God's Truth and any and all forms of religious instruction are to be analyzed and compared with the Bible to see whether there is agreement. Where there is disagreement, the Holy Bible is the most valid and reliable Truth to base one's faith in Jesus upon.

Herein is the reliance of God's Word from The Holy Bible:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.(2 Timothy 3:16-17)

There Is Only One Truth

 

[libby]

The purpose of God's Holy Spirit is to reveal Truth to those who are sincere in seeking the Truth of God.

This is where you lose people, SM. Do you hear yourself saying that I am not sincerely seeking God because I have come to something different?
A person's sincerity, whether he comes to Bible Christianity, Catholicism, Islam or Atheism determines God's judgement. God cannot be fooled about that, either, so don't worry, no one will get in who shouldn't.
As a Catholic I do not believe God will condemn a person for leaving the RCC if they were abused by a priest (for instance).
God will hold us perfectly accountable for what we knew, and the limits that were imposed on us by accident of birth. He does not desire that anyone be lost.

 

[Starman3000m]

...He does not desire that anyone be lost.

That's exactly right. However, that is why He sent Jesus into the world, not to condemn us but to save us. While God desires that no one perish many will because they wilfully chose to follow a deceptive religion that denied Jesus' Divinity and sole way toward Salvation; rather they taught that faith in Jesus was not enough and that people had to abide by specific doctrinal rules, regulations and traditions in order to "please God".

Those who reject the Son of God reject God's Offer of Salvation and are lost in their own sins. That is what scripture proclaims. Christ's Atoning Blood could have saved them from the wrath of God to come but people have been led to believe they can earn their way to heaven on their own merits.

Plenty of Bible Scripture has been posted here to show where those who have the Son of God have Life and those who do not have the Son of God do not have life. Many religions do not preach the True Son of God but believe in a countefeit and deceptive interpretation of who Jesus is. They are placing faith in the wrong Saviour.

 

[libby]

That's exactly right. However, that is why He sent Jesus into the world, not to condemn us but to save us. While God desires that no one perish many will because they wilfully chose to follow a deceptive religion that denied Jesus' Divinity and sole way toward Salvation; rather they taught that faith in Jesus was not enough and that people had to abide by specific doctrinal rules, regulations and traditions in order to "please God".

Those who reject the Son of God reject God's Offer of Salvation and are lost in their own sins. That is what scripture proclaims. Christ's Atoning Blood could have saved them from the wrath of God to come but people have been led to believe they can earn their way to heaven on their own merits.

Plenty of Bible Scripture has been posted here to show where those who have the Son of God have Life and those who do not have the Son of God do not have life. Many religions do not preach the True Son of God but believe in a countefeit and deceptive interpretation of who Jesus is. They are placing faith in the wrong Saviour.

But you are not allowing for those who have not followed through no fault of their own. You said "no Muslim", you did not qualify the statement.