baydoll
New Member
I'm sorry, so did you say what is God saying in the Apocrypha that is not in Scripture?
In support of the Apocrypha
- Thread starter onel0126
- Start date
I'm sorry, so did you say what is God saying in the Apocrypha that is not in Scripture?
onel0126
Bead mumbler
"Accordingly, we concede to the papacy that they sit in the true Church, possessing the office instituted by Christ and inherited from the apostles, to teach, baptize, administer the sacrament, absolve, ordain, etc., just as the Jews sat in their synagogues or assemblies and were the regularly established priesthood and authority of the Church. We admit all this and do not attack the office, although they are not willing to admit as much for us; yea, we confess that we have received these things from them, even as Christ by birth descended from the Jews and the apostles obtained the Scriptures from them."
onel0126
Bead mumbler
I DON'T KNOW. We Catholics are not afraid of these three words. This is not to say that evidence of this does not exist however. So, your turn, have you read them or just others' commentary on them?
baydoll
New Member
So why do you quote Maccabees in regards to Purgatory when there is no evidence of it being elsewhere?
Just out of curiousity, one, why are you bothering? You'll never get answers to your questions, only more blathering. It's an exercise in futility.
baydoll
New Member
I've read enough to come to the conclusion they're definetly not from God, that's for sure. Like these facinating passages:
Ecclesiasticus 25:19 Any iniquity is insignificant compared to a wife's iniquity.
Ecclesiasticus 25:24 From a woman sin had its beginning. Because of her we all die.
Ecclesiasticus 22:3 It is a disgrace to be the father of an undisciplined, and the birth of a daughter is a loss.
"...all such things as have been comprised in 5 books by Jason of Cyrene, we have at-tempted to abridge in one book. For considering the difficulty that they find that desire to undertake the narrations of histories, because of the multitude of the matter, we have taken care for those indeed that are willing to read,...And as to ourselves indeed, in undertaking this work of abridging, we have taken in hand no easy task, yea. rather a business full of watching and sweat. .. Leaving to the authors the exact handling of every particular, and as for ourselves. according to the plan proposed, studying to brief... For to collect all that is known, to put the discourse in order, and curiously to discuss every particular point, is the duty of the author of a history. But to pursue brevity of speech and to avoid nice declarations of things, is to be granted to him that maketh an abridgement." (2 Maccabees 2: 24-32).
"...I will also here make an end of my narration. Which if I have done well, and as it becometh the history, it is what I desired; but if not so perfectly, it must be pardoned me. For as it is hurtful to drink always wine, or always water, but pleasant to use sometimes the one, and sometimes the other, so if the speech be always nicely framed, it will not be grateful to the readers..." 12 Maccabees 15: 39-40).
Which forms a bizarre contrast with passages in the New Testament:
"Take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak. but the spirit of your Father which speaketh in you" (Matthew 10: 19-20).
"Now we have received. not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God: that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in words which man s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth" (1 Corinthians 2: 12-131.)
baydoll
New Member
Yeah...just like I never got an answer from my questions I asked you, right libby?
And just of curiosity, what questions of yours did I not answer? Please list them so I can answer them, thanks. : )
(edited to add afterthought).
Last edited:
onel0126
Bead mumbler
Why do Gospel accounts differ on important events in the life of Christ?
onel0126
Bead mumbler
So that is a no. Thanks.
baydoll
New Member
I just answered you. You're welcome. : )
Apples and oranges, one. We're discussing teachings, not events.
baydoll
New Member
Is it fun bearing false witness, one?
onel0126
Bead mumbler
My response to this wasn't charitable so I erased it. Lent can't come fast enough--giving up internet access. Come on Ash Wednesday!!!
Starman3000m
New Member
Whatever "differences" you may be referring to they never change the exclusive Lordship of Jesus as our High Priest in Heaven and being the Only Mediator between God and man.
Whatever "differences" there may be they never change the Foundational Truths of Salvation through faith in Christ alone and nothing or no one else.
Whatever "differences" there may be they never change the Foundational Truth that it is The Holy Spirit of God who is our "Helper" and NOT Mary.
The RCC has completely changed the rules in God's Plan of Salvation and has added misguided theological teachings that have changed the Lordship of Jesus to become a celestial "partnership" with Mary and the saints.
The RCC is teaching another gospel and another "Jesus" and NOT the True Message of the Jesus Christ, the New Testament Lord and Saviour of mankind. (John 14:6)
There Is Only One Truth
baydoll
New Member
Throwing this question back at you...
Number One: how did YOU come to the conclusion the Apocrypha is inspired and
Number Two: did you come to this conclusion without the reliance on 'others' opinions/commentary?
Zguy28
New Member
Different points of view and how they are being presented. For instance, Matthew focuses on Jesus' kingship and he rearranged the order of events to reflect that. Or how John focuses primarily on High Christology, while the synoptics overall focus more on Low Christology. Or how Mark focuses more on action. Etc.
Soon enough you will be accused of works based salvation, one! You're treading on thin ice! Some people cannot consider how the spiritual exercises of Lent help us to detach from this world and focus on Christ as the one need we truly have. That would be to suggest that Christ needs our help and His Sacrifice wasn't sufficient.
onel0126
Bead mumbler
Bring it. I really do understand the "go it alone" folks more everyday. It must be so much easier living that life.
Zguy28
New Member
I know more than a few members at our Southern Baptist church that practice Lent and regular fasting as spiritual exercises to draw closer to God.
Fasting is very good for stirring a hunger for the Lord and revealing what ungodliness lies hiding behind food in our lives.
Well, Zguy, I guess that's why I have found you so agreeable. I did say "some" would accuse; even if you didn't observe Lent in this way, I would not have expected you to claim we were trying to work our way to Heaven.
Starman3000m
New Member
If you can give up something through just the Lent period, why can't you give it up for the rest of your life? That is what we are called to do when it comes to "Repentance".
I have Catholic friends who give up eating "cookies" or "drinking beer" for Lent. Then when Lent period is over they go right back to those things they "gave up". Spiritual Sacrifice?