Is Birdie's price gouging?

OccamsRazor

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It's not gouging if there are convenient alternatives - it's just overpricing.
Interesting! Turns out, Maryland does not have a price gouging law for gas stations. First place I have ever lived that does not.
Still, I'm surprised that people will pay the premium. I see the place(s) crowded every day when I drive by. Personally, I would drive an extra 5 miles to save $6+ on each fill up (for a 20 gallon tanks)
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
OR gas always falls after Labor Day due to the reformulation changes and reduction in demand. Add to that a collapse of oil prices because of a recession in China and Europe

Oh, but it’s totally Biden doing it.

2007$2.24$2.28$2.56$2.85$3.15$3.06$2.97$2.79$2.80$2.80$3.08$3.02
2008$3.04$3.03$3.24$3.46$3.77$4.05$4.06$3.78$3.70$3.05$2.15$1.69
2009$1.79$1.92$1.96$2.05$2.27$2.63$2.53$2.62$2.55$2.55$2.65$2.61
2010$2.72$2.64$2.77$2.85$2.84$2.73$2.73$2.73$2.71$2.80$2.86$2.99
2011$3.10$3.21$3.56$3.80$3.91$3.68$3.65$3.64$3.61$3.45$3.38$3.27
2012$3.38$3.58$3.85$3.90$3.73$3.54$3.44$3.72$3.85$3.75$3.45$3.31
2013$3.32$3.67$3.71$3.57$3.62$3.63$3.59$3.57$3.53$3.34$3.24$3.28
2016$1.95$1.76$1.97$2.11$2.27$2.37$2.24$2.18$2.22$2.25$2.18$2.25

2021$2.33$2.50$2.81$2.86$2.99$3.06$3.14$3.16$3.18$3.29$3.40$3.31
2022$3.32$3.52$4.22$4.11$4.44$4.93$4.56$3.98$3.70$3.82$3.69$3.21
2023$3.34$3.39$3.42$3.60$3.56$3.57$3.60$3.84$3.84$3.61$3.32$3.13



No. It's nto a fixed process. It moves with the market unless acted upon by political entities.
 

stgislander

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PREMO Member
Interesting! Turns out, Maryland does not have a price gouging law for gas stations. First place I have ever lived that does not.
Still, I'm surprised that people will pay the premium. I see the place(s) crowded every day when I drive by. Personally, I would drive an extra 5 miles to save $6+ on each fill up (for a 20 gallon tanks)
That's why I get diesel for the truck on Monday. 10 cent discount, plus the additional 10 cent discount for being a Shell Fuel Rewards member.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...

Couldn't help but notice that as the price of gas at the pump has been slowly declining down to below $3 per gallon, the price at the Birdie's stations seem to be holding steady at $3.30/gallon. It hasn't seemed to deter people from filling up at their stations however, why the rather large disparity? Seems like price gouging.

They're not gonna lower that price until their storage tanks are filled with that cheaper gas. Why sell something for less than you paid for it?
 

Chopticon64

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2007$2.24$2.28$2.56$2.85$3.15$3.06$2.97$2.79$2.80$2.80$3.08$3.02
2008$3.04$3.03$3.24$3.46$3.77$4.05$4.06$3.78$3.70$3.05$2.15$1.69
2009$1.79$1.92$1.96$2.05$2.27$2.63$2.53$2.62$2.55$2.55$2.65$2.61
2010$2.72$2.64$2.77$2.85$2.84$2.73$2.73$2.73$2.71$2.80$2.86$2.99
2011$3.10$3.21$3.56$3.80$3.91$3.68$3.65$3.64$3.61$3.45$3.38$3.27
2012$3.38$3.58$3.85$3.90$3.73$3.54$3.44$3.72$3.85$3.75$3.45$3.31
2013$3.32$3.67$3.71$3.57$3.62$3.63$3.59$3.57$3.53$3.34$3.24$3.28
2016$1.95$1.76$1.97$2.11$2.27$2.37$2.24$2.18$2.22$2.25$2.18$2.25

2021$2.33$2.50$2.81$2.86$2.99$3.06$3.14$3.16$3.18$3.29$3.40$3.31
2022$3.32$3.52$4.22$4.11$4.44$4.93$4.56$3.98$3.70$3.82$3.69$3.21
2023$3.34$3.39$3.42$3.60$3.56$3.57$3.60$3.84$3.84$3.61$3.32$3.13



No. It's nto a fixed process. It moves with the market unless acted upon by political entities.
Wow, sub $2 under Obama. God I miss that president.
 

OccamsRazor

Well-Known Member
They're not gonna lower that price until their storage tanks are filled with that cheaper gas. Why sell something for less than you paid for it?
Seems their prices have been much higher than other stations for at least the last month or so. Are you saying they haven't changed the fuel in their tanks for the last month?
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
What about driving 5 miles to save $0.30/gallon?
My point is that I have never seen such a difference in pricing within such a small distance. How are they able to charge so much per gallon without it being gouging?
I'll do that. One of the reasons I use reward points from different vendors. But one person's "gouging" is another person's maximization of profit in response to demand. When you're a little station with one pump, you find a reasonable price - when you're a Wawa with twenty pumps, you charge something else. They could "gouge" and charge another dollar, but they'd lose business.

When I lived in New England, my boss lived in Lynn MA and close to two gas stations, same company but on opposite sides of the same divided highway - since it was very hard to cross easily without going all around grandma's barn - they often had DIFFERENT prices, even though they were, say, both Shell stations.

And they CHANGED them during the day. To take advantage of traffic volume - more people, more customers.

I'm guessing that transport and other costs figure into it, although if I were a gas station, I'd charge slight discount rates on and from the route to the base - because of volume. Elsewhere, I would charge as much as I could.

I can only see "gouging" as a problem when there are no alternatives - or easily accessible alternatives - and it's something you depend on. When two gas stations a few miles apart charge different prices, hard to call it gouging, because you can just go to the other one. When McDonald's charges ten bucks for a Big Mac, it's not gouging, because no one needs one.

I don't think gouging happens much, in a competitive market. Way too easy to lose your shirt. Kamala is only promoting that idea, because a) it sells to her base that big companies are meanies that charge too much for stuff and b) she would otherwise have to admit that four years of Bidenomics and ruinous treatment of the oil industry has led to inflation.
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
Good point. Some stations have "discount days" however, Wawa, Sheetz, and the HT station were all at $3 or below today. None of those have discount days. Birdie's stations were at $3.30 or $3.29.
I always used to wonder why gas was usually a LOT cheaper in St Mary's, than in Calvert years ago, when I lived in Lusby. My best guess was transport costs, because unlike STATE taxes, it shouldn't be different.

When my sister came into town back then - she's from North Carolina - she simply could not believe the higher cost of cigarettes compared to home (in NC). I answered, when you hail from the home state of RJ Reynolds, chances are, it's cheaper there.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...

Seems their prices have been much higher than other stations for at least the last month or so. Are you saying they haven't changed the fuel in their tanks for the last month?

Thought it was a small out of the way station. Didn't realize it sat on the corner of 5 and 245. Don't see any other stations in the immediate area. So maybe they are simply selling at a price the market will bear? Also read that they get very bad reviews.

When my sister came into town back then - she's from North Carolina - she simply could not believe the higher cost of cigarettes compared to home (in NC).

Speaking of cigarettes. A carton of Marlboros at Weis sell for nearly $140 a carton! That's $14 for a pack of smokes! $.70 per smoke! That's some crazy stuff right there.
 
It also depends on how the station purchases their gas for sale. Some stores pay for what they pump ( the gas supplier sets the price )

Some stations purchase their entire gas supply and can set the price independently.
 
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