Is this a Christian Only Section?

[rack'm]

No. The Him is "His only begotten Son." Care to try again?

You know where it is, so why didn't you quote it? I usually quote the scripture I reference. But I'll save you the work. So you are going to counter that Jesus is not God, but I will counter that Jesus is God as He said that He is the Father. So when you worship Jesus you worship the Father.

YET AGAIN........if a religion follows the word and beliefs of GOD, are they NOT the same religion under a different name?

 

[vraiblonde]

YET AGAIN........if a religion follows the word and beliefs of GOD, are they NOT the same religion under a different name?

No. "Christians" - followers of Christ.

Jews and Muslims believe in God, they just don't believe in Christ as the savior, and that is the basis of Christianity - that Jesus is the son of God and came to earth to die for your sins.

 

[rack'm]

No. "Christians" - followers of Christ.

Jews and Muslims believe in God, they just don't believe in Christ as the savior, and that is the basis of Christianity - that Jesus is the son of God and came to earth to die for your sins.

Ok, but the belief in God is across the board, Christians just see Jesus in a different light.

 

[kwillia]

No. "Christians" - followers of Christ.

Jews and Muslims believe in God, they just don't believe in Christ as the savior, and that is the basis of Christianity - that Jesus is the son of God and came to earth to die for your sins.

Amen!

And for those who missed the other complete and total answer to the original thread question...

That's because the majority of the religious people on this forum are Christians.

There are a couple of Buddhists, several Jewish people and even a Wiccan. They occasonally post but don't get a lot of response because, frankly, there aren't that many of them to get a conversation going.

 

[migtig]

And this is why when I post my religious based threads, I post them in chat. It has been my stance since early on that the religion forum is only Christian based. Several of us would be more than willing, Pely, to discuss the topic of religion with you, but outside of this forum, since to do so incites the Christians.

 

[fttrsbeerwench]

And this is why when I post my religious based threads, I post them in chat. It has been my stance since early on that the religion forum is only Christian based. Several of us would be more than willing, Pely, to discuss the topic of religion with you, but outside of this forum, since to do so incites the Christians.

Join InToTheFire

 

[Toxick]

Its narrow minded because there are BILLIONS of people who don't belive the way you do, therefore there is a chance(most likely an equal chance) that you, they, or everyone is wrong.

I fail to see how demographics fit into it.


Look, if I had simply dismissed all other religions out of hand - rather than choosing Christianity based on the weight of its own merit - then you might have something there. But I chose Christianity. I chose it because I believe it's the correct one, and the others were wrong.

That's not Narrow-minded.

That is, in fact, the opposite of narrow-mindedness.

I came to believe this way that I believe through many years of deliberation, comparison and consideration. If you believe that you are correct in something, it's not narrow-mindedness that leads you to believe that others are wrong - it's simply following your established criteria to their logical conclusions.

Saying otherwise is nothing more than politically correct crapola.

Still, as a scientist, if billions of people held a contary scientific opinion about something, then yes, it would be narrowminded to consider your answer the only true one.

Religion aside, this statement is utterly and completely 100% absolutely false.

If every single person on the planet besides me suddenly decided that the earth is flat, that does not mean the earth is flat. I would simply be the only person on earth who is correct.

 

[kwillia]

I don't recall seeing any threads attempting to discuss specific religions alternative to Christianity... I only recall seeing many discussions of why Christianity is not acceptable to some...

 

[Midnightrider]

I fail to see how demographics fit into it.


Look, if I had simply dismissed all other religions out of hand - rather than choosing Christianity based on the weight of its own merit - then you might have something there. But I chose Christianity. I chose it because I believe it's the correct one, and the others were wrong.

That's not Narrow-minded.

That is, in fact, the opposite of narrow-mindedness.

I came to believe this way that I believe through many years of deliberation, comparison and consideration. If you believe that you are correct in something, it's not narrow-mindedness that leads you to believe that others are wrong - it's simply following your established criteria to their logical conclusions.

Saying otherwise is nothing more than politically correct crapola.





Religion aside, this statement is utterly and completely 100% absolutely false.

If every single person on the planet besides me suddenly decided that the earth is flat, that does not mean the earth is flat. I would simply be the only person on earth who is correct.

The difference, that you are apparently missing, is that your religious beliefs are opinions, not facts. Thats why i stated "scientific opinion" not scientific fact in my analogy.
To believe that your opinion is more valid than anyone elses is completely selfcentered and narrowminded.

 

[vraiblonde]

I don't recall seeing any threads attempting to discuss specific religions alternative to Christianity... I only recall seeing many discussions of why Christianity is not acceptable to some

This is my observation as well.

And I fail to see why non-religious people would come into the religion forum anyway. It's like me going into the horse forum and ranting about why I won't own a horse.

 

[migtig]

I don't recall seeing any threads attempting to discuss specific religions alternative to Christianity... I only recall seeing many discussions of why Christianity is not acceptable to some...

There have been some, but they have wound up being so ugly that people either delete their threads or the board parent du jour - usually David - deletes them. Which in truth prohibits anyone outside of the Christian religion feeling comfortable enough to post their religious beliefs or thoughts. You should have seen the pure nastiness I received in karma response to my thread on Jewish holiday.

I have also seen when Wiccans and Buddhists have posted responses in the religion thread the sure fire brimstone that makes us all want to convert so badly - "you are going to hell". It's much simpler to let the Christians have this forum, rather than be lambasted over and over again for a different religious belief.

However, it does seem so odd to me, that the individuals on this board that follow alternate religions to Christianity are the ones that "turn the other cheek".

 

[rack'm]

This is my observation as well.

And I fail to see why non-religious people would come into the religion forum anyway. It's like me going into the horse forum and ranting about why I won't own a horse.

:shrug: I just asked for clarification......

 

[vraiblonde]

And what's even more amusing is when non-religious people come in the religion forum to make sure there's religious diversity going on.

 

[migtig]

This is my observation as well.

And I fail to see why non-religious people would come into the religion forum anyway. It's like me going into the horse forum and ranting about why I won't own a horse.

I'm very religious. I have beliefs and practices that I follow every day. I apply these principles to my life everyday. I study my religion every day. I'm just not Christian. Just because someone has another religious belief does not make them NON religious.

 

[Toxick]

Several of us would be more than willing, Pely, to discuss the topic of religion with you, but outside of this forum, since to do so incites the Christians.

Please.

Do you really believe that?


I think that what incites the Christians in here is when people launch into anti-christian rants. And, unfortunately, militant atheists sporting hard-ons about Christians are the only real dissenting voices we get in here.


As a Christian, I would LOVE to see members of other religions come in here (if for no other reason than to give the atheists someone else to badger for a while).


But I daresay that there isn't ONE SINGLE Christian who frequents these forums that would act disrespectfully to members of other religions - simply for voicing their beliefs in here.

If, say, a Muslim came to the religious forum and wanted to publicly pray to Allah to help sick relatives, I can't think of one single Christian who would get their knickers in a twist over that. If the same Muslim came in here, and wanted to quote passages from the Koran, I can't think of one who would be disrespectful about it.

On the other hand, if a Buddhist or a Muslim or a Hindu or a Scientologist* popped in here and came in here and asked, point blank, "Hey Christians, I'm a [whatever] - WTF do you think about that? Am I going to hell because I don't believe if your precious Jesus?"

Well, then you're going to get Christians saying, "Yup."



And somehow the Christians will be the "attackers" because we DAMNED THEM TO ETERNAL HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE..





*Actually if a Scientologist came in here, I think they would be eaten alive - but not by Christians...

 

[itsbob]

I fail to see how demographics fit into it.


Look, if I had simply dismissed all other religions out of hand - rather than choosing Christianity based on the weight of its own merit - then you might have something there. But I chose Christianity. I chose it because I believe it's the correct one, and the others were wrong.

What is it that the other religions have wrong??

 

[kwillia]

There have been some, but they have wound up being so ugly that people either delete their threads or the board parent du jour - usually David - deletes them. Which in truth prohibits anyone outside of the Christian religion feeling comfortable enough to post their religious beliefs or thoughts. You should have seen the pure nastiness I received in karma response to my thread on Jewish holiday.

I have also seen when Wiccans and Buddhists have posted responses in the religion thread the sure fire brimstone that makes us all want to convert so badly - "you are going to hell". It's much simpler to let the Christians have this forum, rather than be lambasted over and over again for a different religious belief.

However, it does seem so odd to me, that the individuals on this board that follow alternate religions to Christianity are the ones that "turn the other cheek".

Mig, I recall many times when threads were obviously started by Christians wanting to discuss their Christian beliefs ended as you described, but I do not recall any alternative religionist starting threads about their specific religions. IMO, there is a difference between the two scenerios.

 

[migtig]

Mig, I recall many times when threads were obviously started by Christians wanting to discuss their Christian beliefs ended as you described, but I do not recall any alternative religionist starting threads about their specific religions. IMO, there is a difference between the two scenerios.

And I recall several. I know you have a mind like a steel trap, but one the topics are what one would consider personal I guess you follow it a little closer. I remember a couple about pagan based religions that were deleted by the authors (I presume) and one about alternate religions in general that was deleted by David with the statement that the religion forum was Christian. I'll never forget that.

I started one not that long ago in chat about a Jewish holiday.

And to be told your going to hell when you have a different religion is actually not conductive to discussion. Personally, I don't believe in hell so I find that comment stupid and biased. How can I go somewhere if I don't believe in it?

 

[Toxick]

The difference, that you are apparently missing, is that your religious beliefs are opinions, not facts.

I'm not missing it. The distiction is simply irrelevant to my point.

The provability or inprovability or the factual soundness of ones beliefs is immaterial to what I'm trying to say to you.

To believe that your opinion is more valid than anyone elses is completely selfcentered and narrowminded.

What I'm trying to get through to you is that if I did not believe that my opinion was more valid then IT WOULD BE POINTLESS TO BELIEVE IT. It would be mere lip-service.


Ask any conservative on this board if they think liberal beliefs are just as valid as their own.

Ask any liberal on this board if they think conservative beliefs are just as valid as their own.

 

[Toxick]

What is it that the other religions have wrong??

They're not Christianity. And I've posted several times why I believe there's enough evidence to support Christianity.

But it's off-topic to this discussion, and it takes too darn long to lay it all out, just so that it can be dismissed out of hand, or simply ignored.



Again.