Is this a Christian Only Section?

[kwillia]

And I recall several. I know you have a mind like a steel trap, but one the topics are what one would consider personal I guess you follow it a little closer. I remember a couple about pagan based religions that were deleted by the authors (I presume) and one about alternate religions in general that was deleted by David with the statement that the religion forum was Christian. I'll never forget that.

I started one not that long ago in chat about a Jewish holiday.

And to be told your going to hell when you have a different religion is actually not conductive to discussion. Personally, I don't believe in hell so I find that comment stupid and biased. How can I go somewhere if I don't believe in it?

I must not have seen them before they got deleted. I do agree with the point you are making that it is just as wrong for Christians to dis someone else about their choice of religion in a thread specific to that religion. I just can't recall ever seeing one on here.

 

[MMDad]

The last person to bring Islam into this forum (2/14/06) did get blasted.

 

[vraiblonde]

I'm very religious.

Then that means I wasn't referring to you.

 

[Tonio]

On the other hand, if a Buddhist or a Muslim or a Hindu or a Scientologist* popped in here and came in here and asked, point blank, "Hey Christians, I'm a [whatever] - WTF do you think about that? Am I going to hell because I don't believe if your precious Jesus?"

Anyone who would do that isn't interested in true debate, but simply wants to provoke people for the hell of it. (Slotted comes to mind.) You can find people like that in all religions.

I have also seen when Wiccans and Buddhists have posted responses in the religion thread the sure fire brimstone that makes us all want to convert so badly - "you are going to hell". It's much simpler to let the Christians have this forum, rather than be lambasted over and over again for a different religious belief.

If the Wiccans or Buddhists condemned others as evil and deserving of hell, that would be just as wrong. Again, you can find people like that in all religions. These people won't be satisfied until everyone believes as they do. I've never understood why some people are so hot to make others change their beliefs.

 

[Midnightrider]

I'm not missing it. The distiction is simply irrelevant to my point.

The provability or inprovability or the factual soundness of ones beliefs is immaterial to what I'm trying to say to you.






What I'm trying to get through to you is that if I did not believe that my opinion was more valid then IT WOULD BE POINTLESS TO BELIEVE IT. It would be mere lip-service.


Ask any conservative on this board if they think liberal beliefs are just as valid as their own.

Ask any liberal on this board if they think conservative beliefs are just as valid as their own.

I can answer that question for you.
I'm a conservative, and i believe that liberal beliefs are just as valid as mine. Just becasue you and i disagree on something doesn't mean that your opinion is less valid. Its an opinion, there is no right answer.

 

[Toxick]

I must not have seen them before they got deleted. I do agree with the point you are making that it is just as wrong for Christians to dis someone else about their choice of religion in a thread specific to that religion. I just can't recall ever seeing one on here.

The only outwardly hostile Christian zealot that I can ever remember seeing was Zuchick - who got run out of here by a torch-weilding mob, and deservedly so.


I remember once he told me I was going to hell too.

I forgot why, but I do remember that it was quite a lively discussion.

 

[Toxick]

I can answer that question for you.
I'm a conservative, and i believe that liberal beliefs are just as valid as mine.

Then why aren't you a liberal?

Or at least a moderate?

Just becasue you and i disagree on something doesn't mean that your opinion is less valid. Its an opinion, there is no right answer.

While I believe in shades of gray, I also believe in the existence of black and white. There are some things that are black and there are some things that are white - and I can't believe that it's narrow-mindedless is the cause of this condition.

Having an open mind is great - but I'd rather not leave mine so far opened that my brain falls out.

 

[kwillia]

The last person to bring Islam into this forum (2/14/06) did get blasted.

The only thread I found regarding Islam from that time frame was when JPC started a thread stating that "he did not fear Islam"... if that's the thread you are talking about I see it as a thread that openly invited discussion from all regarding their opinion of Islam. :shrug:

 

[itsbob]

They're not Christianity.

Which ones??

Mormonism?

Seventh Day?

Davidians??

Jehovah's Witness'

The Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints??

Which ones of the above aren't Christians??

From what you said, if they are all Christians they ALL must be right..

 

[vraiblonde]

one about alternate religions in general that was deleted by David with the statement that the religion forum was Christian. I'll never forget that.

I think you're mistaken on that. I find it hard to believe that David came right out and said the religion forum is for Christians only.

Depending on what the "alternate" religion was (satanism, for example), I can see him giving that the boot as it's not a true "religion", but merely an anti-religion designed to offend the faithful.

But I can't see him deleting a thread about Wiccans or something like that. I deleted the thread that was written in Spanish because, well, this isn't a Spanish language website and for all I know the post could have said anything.

 

[Toxick]

From what you said, if they are all Christians they ALL must be right..

Yeah - I suppose a pedantic so-and-so who's trying to start an argument could possibly infer that from what I said. Let's cut the crap - what is it exactly that you want to argue with me about - certainly not picking semantic nits such as the above?

 

[kwillia]

Yeah - I suppose a pedantic so-and-so who's trying to start an argument could possibly infer that from what I said. Let's cut the crap - what is it exactly that you want to argue with me about - certainly not picking semantic nits such as the above?

Wait a minute... Jehovah's Witnesses believe in and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ... are you saying they are not Christians...

 

[Toxick]

Wait a minute... Jehovah's Witnesses believe in and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ... are you saying they are not Christians...

 

[kwillia]

Was that a 'yes' or a 'no'...

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Are you Christians?
Yes. We follow Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and put faith in the ransom sacrifice he provided for the salvation of mankind. We imitate his example in preaching and teaching and in our dealings with fellow humans. We also look forward to living in true peace on earth under his heavenly Kingdom.

 

[itsbob]

Yeah - I suppose a pedantic so-and-so who's trying to start an argument could possibly infer that from what I said. Let's cut the crap - what is it exactly that you want to argue with me about - certainly not picking semantic nits such as the above?

I guess the better question to "Are you a Christian?" would be "Which Christian are you??" Since Christians have been killing each other over differences in religion just as the barbarian Islamists have been doing..

Not are the Christians right, but which Christians are right? WHy are they more right then other Christians, since they all believe something different they all can't be right....

 

[itsbob]

Are you an Orange or Green Christian??

 

[vraiblonde]

Since Christians have been killing each other over differences in religion just as the barbarian Islamists have been doing..

Big difference, dude - Christians aren't still doing it and haven't been in the last couple of centuries.

 

[Toxick]

Was that a 'yes' or a 'no'...

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The answer was 'No - I'm not saying that, nor did I mean to imply it' As far as I know, Jehovah's Witnesses do not have teachings which are contrary to the bible, nor have they added or removed biblical canon.


As have, say, Mormons.



There's my yardstick.

 

[migtig]

I think you're mistaken on that. I find it hard to believe that David came right out and said the religion forum is for Christians only.

Depending on what the "alternate" religion was (satanism, for example), I can see him giving that the boot as it's not a true "religion", but merely an anti-religion designed to offend the faithful.

But I can't see him deleting a thread about Wiccans or something like that. I deleted the thread that was written in Spanish because, well, this isn't a Spanish language website and for all I know the post could have said anything.

Perhaps I am mistaken. I just know his actions and comment made enough of an impression upon me to never share my personal religious choices in this particular forum. If I do have something spiritual I truly wish to share, as on occasion we all do, I post it in other forums. It also made enough of an impression on some others that I know in real life who were posting on somd to stop doing so, because they felt so unwelcome due to their religious choices. :shrug:

 

[itsbob]

The answer was 'No - I'm not saying that, nor did I mean to imply it' As far as I know, Jehovah's Witnesses do not have teachings which are contrary to the bible, nor have they added or removed biblical canon.


As have, say, Mormons.



There's my yardstick.

Do share.. the Mormons study the Bible.. King James Version to be exact.. They have taken nothing away form the bible, nor have the added anything to the bible.. they read the same King James Version as any other Christian..

Nothing they teach contradicts the bible.