Is this a Christian Only Section?

[migtig]

Big difference, dude - Christians aren't still doing it and haven't been in the last couple of centuries.

Actually, yes they have been. Especially in Ireland. Like itsbob said are you a green or orange Christian? The difference can get you killed.

 

[Midnightrider]

Then why aren't you a liberal?

Or at least a moderate?

Because thse aren't my views. Just becasue i can see that pro choice is a valid view, doesn't mean that i am prochoice. Of course the same can be said for prolife....

just like gay marriage, i'm not for it, but i can understand that the people who are, have a valid opinion.

While I believe in shades of gray, I also believe in the existence of black and white. There are some things that are black and there are some things that are white - and I can't believe that it's narrow-mindedless is the cause of this condition.

Having an open mind is great - but I'd rather not leave mine so far opened that my brain falls out.

all religion is shades of gray

 

[vraiblonde]

Actually, yes they have been. Especially in Ireland. Like itsbob said are you a green or orange Christian? The difference can get you killed.

It is my understand that the conflicts in Ireland are political in nature, not religious.

By "green" I assumed Bob meant Sinn Fein, which is a political faction.

 

[Toxick]

I guess the better question to "Are you a Christian?" would be "Which Christian are you??" Since Christians have been killing each other over differences in religion just as the barbarian Islamists have been doing..

I guess that explains all the car-bombs that go off around Catholic Churchs. Those savage Baptists try to take out as many innocent civilians as possible - but the Episcopalians are no better with all their landmines that they put around Baptist churches. And don't get me started on the Lutheran's.

WHERE DOES IT END!

Not are the Christians right, but which Christians are right? WHy are they more right then other Christians, since they all believe something different they all can't be right....

I'm sure this will make a great topic for discussion some other time, despite your tone. I only got into this discussion to take issue with MidnightRider's usage of the term "narrow minded". That topic seems to have died, and I don't really have the time to - nor am I really in the mood to - comb the internet for biblical quotes and interpretations between various Christian denominations.

Despite all the differences in Dogma, there is no difference among the denominations where it counts.


Personally - I'm baptized as a Catholic, but I'm Catholic in name only, as I have many many issues with the Church - not only on their non-activity during all the kid-touching scandals, but their flagrant disregard for many biblical teachings.

I don't, however, consider Catholics to be any less Christian than Baptists, or Fundamentalists.

 

[itsbob]

It is my understand that the conflicts in Ireland are political in nature, not religious.

By "green" I assumed Bob meant Sinn Fein, which is a political faction.

Actually green IS a political party, but first it was to denote the Catholics. SInn FEin is the Catholic Political Party.. Orange are the Protestant's..

The flag of Ireland is Green and orange seperated by white.. The colors green and orange on their flag denote RELIGION, and the white the hope that someday they can get along and live in peace..

The car bombs outside catholic churches are nothing new in Ireland.. they were using car bombs long before AlQueada

 

[migtig]

It is my understand that the conflicts in Ireland are political in nature, not religious.

By "green" I assumed Bob meant Sinn Fein, which is a political faction.

The political nature of the beast is in fact based solely on religion. Catholic versus Protestant. Simply put. Due to England imposing Protestant based religion upon the Irish. Which caused rebellion. Which caused the country of Ireland being divided. Which caused Christian to kill Christian. Which is still a continuing issue. So much so that the Protestants call the Catholics religious terrorists and the Catholics call the Protestants religious tyrants.
http://www.allfreeessays.com/student/Northern_Ireland_Conflict-Religion_vs_Politics.html
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blfaq_viol_northernireland.htm

 

[Toxick]

Do share.. the Mormons study the Bible.. King James Version to be exact..

Ok.

They have taken nothing away form the bible, nor have the added anything to the bible.. they read the same King James Version as any other Christian..

Have you ever heard of The Book of Mormon - otherwise known as "Another Testament of Jesus Christ". Sounds like they've added stuff to the bible I follow.

In 1827, Joseph Smith said that an angel named Moroni had shown him golden tablets which were inscribed in elaborate detail with the "true" gospel of Jesus, who, Smith said, had gone to the Americas after his death and resurrection in Jerusalem.

In 1835, after founding Mormonism, Smith got a hold of some ancient Egyptian documents covered in hieroglyphics, which he said God told him were the lost books of Abraham and Joseph. God helped him "translate" these documents, and as it turns out one of the teachings it held were that black people were supposed to be servants and slaves to whites and Asians.

Nice.

After the discovery of the Rosetta stone, Egyptologists were later able to determine that "the books of Abraham and Joseph" were actually copies of "The Egyptian Book of the Dead" and "The Breathing Permit of Hor".

Nothing they teach contradicts the bible.

Ok.

 

[PelyKat]

Well I'm of the raised "Christian" but then I grew up faith. I have studied many of the exhisting and older religions and found that their main fault is that they were founded by man. And I'm not being sexist...i'm talking humans.

To include Christianity, Judeaism (i know i spelt it rong), and Islam!

They all have their place for those that need to believe in them. But not everyone Needs to believe in them. and that doesn't make us wrong, stupid, or poor pitied souls. It usually makes us more enlightened, happier beings. Better intuned with ourselves and our world.

Was just looking for any like-minded sorts, didn't know if I'd find any in So-MD.

 

[Toxick]

Because thse aren't my views.

So you just picked your views at random?

Did you throw darts at a graph with opinions on it, or draw cards from a hat?

 

[itsbob]

Well I'm of the raised "Christian" but then I grew up faith. I have studied many of the exhisting and older religions and found that their main fault is that they were founded by man. And I'm not being sexist...i'm talking humans.

To include Christianity, Judeaism (i know i spelt it rong), and Islam!

They all have their place for those that need to believe in them. But not everyone Needs to believe in them. and that doesn't make us wrong, stupid, or poor pitied souls. It usually makes us more enlightened, happier beings. Better intuned with ourselves and our world.

Was just looking for any like-minded sorts, didn't know if I'd find any in So-MD.

Ditto!!

 

[kwillia]

Well I'm of the raised "Christian" but then I grew up faith. I have studied many of the exhisting and older religions and found that their main fault is that they were founded by man. And I'm not being sexist...i'm talking humans.

To include Christianity, Judeaism (i know i spelt it rong), and Islam!

They all have their place for those that need to believe in them. But not everyone Needs to believe in them. and that doesn't make us wrong, stupid, or poor pitied souls. It usually makes us more enlightened, happier beings. Better intuned with ourselves and our world.

Was just looking for any like-minded sorts, didn't know if I'd find any in So-MD.

Same here... But that's not what you said you were looking for when you started this thread...

Just wondered? Seems that every thread in here is totally Christian based.

I wondered if there is anyone out there who was interested in discussing "other / older" spiritual directions.

Just thought I'd ask. Thanks

 

[itsbob]

Ok.



Have you ever heard of The Book of Mormon - otherwise known as "Another Testament of Jesus Christ". Sounds like they've added stuff to the bible I follow.

In 1827, Joseph Smith said that an angel named Moroni had shown him golden tablets which were inscribed in elaborate detail with the "true" gospel of Jesus, who, Smith said, had gone to the Americas after his death and resurrection in Jerusalem.

In 1835, after founding Mormonism, Smith got a hold of some ancient Egyptian documents covered in hieroglyphics, which he said God told him were the lost books of Abraham and Joseph. God helped him "translate" these documents, and as it turns out one of the teachings it held were that black people were supposed to be servants and slaves to whites and Asians.

Nice.

After the discovery of the Rosetta stone, Egyptologists were later able to determine that "the books of Abraham and Joseph" were actually copies of "The Egyptian Book of the Dead" and "The Breathing Permit of Hor".





Ok.

Sounds like you've been schooled on Mormonism by the Baptists..

The book of Mormon doesn't reflect anything about blacks being subservient to anybody.... the book of Mormon doesn't ADD anything to the bible, it is a seperate book altogether.. the bible follows the lineage of Adam in the middle East, the book of Mormon also follows the lineage of Adam but a different descendant(s) called Nephi and Laman who depart the middle east for (supposed) South America. It talks of their family prior to their departure, and what they did after their family arrived in So America. So as the Bible tells it's story, so does the book of Mormon.. as the timeline's are parallel they talk about different people in the same time, at different places..

Maybe you should read the book of Mormon and not just believe what someone told you.

 

[Midnightrider]

Ok.



Have you ever heard of The Book of Mormon - otherwise known as "Another Testament of Jesus Christ". Sounds like they've added stuff to the bible I follow.

In 1827, Joseph Smith said that an angel named Moroni had shown him golden tablets which were inscribed in elaborate detail with the "true" gospel of Jesus, who, Smith said, had gone to the Americas after his death and resurrection in Jerusalem.

In 1835, after founding Mormonism, Smith got a hold of some ancient Egyptian documents covered in hieroglyphics, which he said God told him were the lost books of Abraham and Joseph. God helped him "translate" these documents, and as it turns out one of the teachings it held were that black people were supposed to be servants and slaves to whites and Asians.

Nice.

After the discovery of the Rosetta stone, Egyptologists were later able to determine that "the books of Abraham and Joseph" were actually copies of "The Egyptian Book of the Dead" and "The Breathing Permit of Hor".


Ok.

what i don't understand is why this sounds so far fetched, but things like moses communicating with god, jesus rising from the dead, and other stories from the bible seem believable to some.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not a big fan of morman, but i think it should get the same respect as any other religion. So the founder found so gold tablets burried in upstate new york and had them translated by a salamander. is that really so hard to believe when one of the tenents of the christianity is that christ was the result of immaculate conception. I think if a modern mary came forward with that story she would be laughed straight back to where she came.

 

[vraiblonde]

The political nature of the beast is in fact based solely on religion. Catholic versus Protestant. Simply put. Due to England imposing Protestant based religion upon the Irish. Which caused rebellion. Which caused the country of Ireland being divided. Which caused Christian to kill Christian. Which is still a continuing issue. So much so that the Protestants call the Catholics religious terrorists and the Catholics call the Protestants religious tyrants.

I was unaware this was still a large problem - learn something new every day.

 

[itsbob]

When Jesus deprted he said.. "I have other flocks to attend to" (paraphrasing) Which flocks? Where did he go!?? Are you saying EVERY human being in Biblical times all lived in the Middle East?? He didn't have anywhere else to go?

 

[itsbob]

And none of what you said about Joseph Smith is anymore far fetched then talking to a burning bush..

 

[Tonio]

It is my understand that the conflicts in Ireland are political in nature, not religious.

That's mostly true. The conflict has its roots in English rule over Ireland. But English monarchs tried to maintain that rule by starting colonies of English and Scottish settlers, and the Presbyterians in Ulster are descendants of those colonists. Many of them, like Ian Paisley, see being a patriotic UK citizen and being anti-Catholic as the same thing. But if England and Ireland belonged to the same denomination, the conflict in Ulster might not be that much different.

I argue that even the Holocaust wasn't about religion. The hatred of Jews certainly had its roots in the ugly doctrine that followers of Judaism allegedly bear the guilt for the crucifixion of Jesus. But the Nazis didn't seem to care much about religious doctrine.

And the Christian groups that advocate Old Testament justice, like the Dominionists, are regarded by most Christians as irrelevant crackpots.

 

[Midnightrider]

So you just picked your views at random?

Did you throw darts at a graph with opinions on it, or draw cards from a hat?

Of corse not, i formed the opinions i have over my lifetime, just as you have, i am just not so arrogant as to think that only my opinion is correct. I can see that others have valid views, even if their opinions differ from mine.

 

[itsbob]

I was unaware this was still a large problem - learn something new every day.

Well when you talk modern day, and centuries ago, Irish Catholics have been murdering Irish Protestants and vice versa up to the present day.. Car bombs in London, murders and explosives in broad daylight in Belfast.. all in the name of...????

 

[PelyKat]

I wasn't sure at first how asking if any one here was of a "old" faith would be understood or received. I was looking for people who were open minded to what we now call pagans. But were simply the old ways before the Romans decreed that they were banned as they were too strong and there for had to be banished. The best way to destroy a people is to destroy their beliefs.

But if you've ever looked, many were just incorporated into modern day practices.

Just trying to find people to chat with. NOT trying to cause trouble, down anyones religious beliefs, or anything like that.