Israel authorizes 'severe' response to abductions

[FromTexas]

David -

Are you pro-choice? If so, then your morals are skewed. Collateral damage in the defense of a nations people vs killing an unborn child in a peaceful setting. One is avoided with every precaution and one is looked for because someone didn't want to take every precaution.

And for the record, I don't approve of abortion but my belief is that its a states right to decide and not the federal governments. I do not seek to have abortion outlawed (which would never happen when states get to choose -- you will always have more liberal states). States set their medical licensing, review, and patients rights, and that is where abortion belongs. I believe in federalism and we are slowly moving toward too much federal power and every state starting to look the same for things that matter to voters. We should have the opportunity to vote with our feet... soon that won't matter.

 

[Ken King]

Next time you're high fiving Israel for it's surgical military strikes, think about these pics. Unfortunately, the American media will not show them to us because some poor souls might offended. Do you believe that these children supported Hezbollah, if they even knew what it was?

How about those of you with your own children. Do you feel that the kidnapping of two soldiers who could have been returned by simple negotiation justifies what you see in these pics?

While I have little regard for Israel I fully believe that they have a right to protect themselves when attacked as they have been in this instance.

As pointed out by others it is Lebanon that is to blame for allowing terrorists to operate within their borders. So if you want to blame anyone for what is happening over there blame Hezbollah.

 

[willie]

Next time you're high fiving Israel for it's surgical military strikes, think about these pics. Unfortunately, the American media will not show them to us because some poor souls might offended. Do you believe that these children supported Hezbollah, if they even knew what it was?

How about those of you with your own children. Do you feel that the kidnapping of two soldiers who could have been returned by simple negotiation justifies what you see in these pics?

If Israel were fighting a civilized people, I would agree with you but they are not.

After Hezbollah's past performance, I don't understand how anyone, in their wildest dreams, would believe that negotiations would solve this. How many times do you want them to lie to the Israeli's??? To the U.N.???? To everyone else that has tried to negotiate with them??? You'll have better luck negotiating with a rabid fox.

 

[MMDad]

Next time you're high fiving Israel for it's surgical military strikes, think about these pics. Unfortunately, the American media will not show them to us because some poor souls might offended. Do you believe that these children supported Hezbollah, if they even knew what it was?

How about those of you with your own children. Do you feel that the kidnapping of two soldiers who could have been returned by simple negotiation justifies what you see in these pics?

Why don't you show pictures of the dead Israeli children? Or don't they fit into your agenda?

 

[willie]

Why don't you show pictures of the dead Israeli children? Or don't they fit into your agenda?

I'm sure it's an agenda problem. People like David and the screaming Lebanese refugee's act like this is all unprovoked. IMHO it's an ingrained bias against Israel that defeats common sense.

 

[vraiblonde]

Well darn it. I was going to respond to David but I have nothing to add to the rebuttals.

Oh! Wait! Yes I do!

They were interviewing some American girl on the radio - one of the ones who are being evacuated from Beirut - and she was all crying and saying, quote, "This is all Israel's fault!"

Obviously she doesn't know the history of the Middle East. Israelis were content to live on their little plot of land and they haven't bothered anyone - EXCEPT when they've been attacked. When has Israel been the aggressor? Answer: they haven't. They've merely responded and defended themselves.

Why is it that nobody remembers the Munich Olympics or Entebbe? Or even the recent suicide bombings? Or the myriad of other attacks on Israel?

Do people (and David, I'm talking to you) really think this business in Lebanon was completely unprovoked and out of the blue?

 

[vraiblonde]

ingrained bias against Israel

Why is that and where does it come from? It seems very similar, to me, to the ingrained bias people have against the US.

 

[dck4shrt]

Next time you're high fiving Israel for it's surgical military strikes, think about these pics. Unfortunately, the American media will not show them to us because some poor souls might offended. Do you believe that these children supported Hezbollah, if they even knew what it was?

How about those of you with your own children. Do you feel that the kidnapping of two soldiers who could have been returned by simple negotiation justifies what you see in these pics?

This was started by the kidnapping of two soldiers DURING a cross border raid that killed 8 others. An unprovoked attack on Israel's sovereign land by a UN labeled terrorist organization that was supposed to be disarmed years ago. The Hezzies were also stockpiling rockets along the border for the past 6 years in an obviously threatening fashion that Israel could not and should not have to tolerate.
They did negotiate. They laid out their demands plain and simple: return the soldiers. Hezbollah said no. Israel said, ok, now we're gonna eff you up. Do you think sovereign nations should negotiate with terrorists? Should we release hundreds of known terrrorists from Gitmo for the release of an American soldier in Baghdad or elsewhere? What kind of precedent would that set?

 

[FromTexas]

Remember the days when they take some small terrorist action and we bomb Libya in return... Appeasement gave the terrorists backbone. See what bombing Libya did? Omar behaves now and keeps his country in line.

 

[PJay]

The pictures David shared, are tough to look at. I am wondering about the last picture....why is that man holding that child by the feet? I have never witnessed a dead child being held that way...

 

[willie]

Remember the days when they take some small terrorist action and we bomb Libya in return... Appeasement gave the terrorists backbone. See what bombing Libya did? Omar behaves now and keeps his country in line.

I'm amazed at the short memory some people have. If there ever was a lesson on what these people understand, Ronnie taught us.

 

[willie]

The pictures David shared, are tough to look at. I am wondering about the last picture....why is that man holding that child by the feet? I have never witnessed a dead child being held that way...

Civilized people don't behead either. That part of the world is a few thousand years behind.

 

[willie]

Why is that and where does it come from? It seems very similar, to me, to the ingrained bias people have against the US.

Maybe KK can answer that for us.

 

[ylexot]

Next time you're high fiving Israel for it's surgical military strikes, think about these pics. Unfortunately, the American media will not show them to us because some poor souls might offended. Do you believe that these children supported Hezbollah, if they even knew what it was?

Roger that. Israel, you can start carpet bombing because some people are going to ##### no matter what you do.

 

[Hessian]

Logistics...

I've read a lot regarding rugged campaings by the Brits in Persia, Afghanistan and India. One element that hindered both sides in their operation was supply.
Until the advent of air supply and deep incursion & stealth exit, armys had to slog through the sand & dust & filth....ALWAYS guarding their RR routes,..their Passes through the Mts, and bridges/portages because the bands of the Mufti/Pasha or whomever would strike the supply lines to keep themselves in the fight and pay the bribes to the actual warlords who gave them permission.

I am hoping that the Israeli strategy involves isolation of Hezbollah (etc) because that makes their ground based supply lines more apparent.
In Viet Nam when our Black ops would find a cache of Chinese weapons: they sabotaged the AK-47's ammo or explosives in such minor ways as to make it look like a production defect: Thus the NVA began to protest loudly to their suppliers about faulty ammunition and grenades-breeding distrust.

Every one of those guerilla ragtops need food, water, and resupply: Israel can cripple them by isolation and contamination. Lastly: counter intel should include stirring up their internal rivalries-THEY are not united! each wants to cement better ties with Iran, each wants to become the hero to the Palestinians, each wants to be featured in the next Hamas video. This makes them vulnerable.

 

[itsbob]

The pictures David shared, are tough to look at. I am wondering about the last picture....why is that man holding that child by the feet? I have never witnessed a dead child being held that way...

Maybe becasue he killed that particular child and is showing it as a trophy of "Look what Israel did!!"

 

[Hessian]

About David's pictures...

would it have halted WWII if we saw pictures of burnt children after Dresden? Hannover? Tokyo?
All fire-bombed---not the urban district,...not the military installations...not the ministry of Propaganda:

Neighborhoods incinerated by Happy go-lucky "strikes" British & American Airmen.

And not 40 civilian casualties...not 400...not 4000.
Keep going David, its much higher.

Evil must be destroyed by force, without compromise: Remember: "Unconditional Surrender?"

 

[vraiblonde]

I realize now where people like David get their opinions from.

They have MSNBC and CNN on at the gym so I've been getting my news from those sources the last few days. Report after report, they go on at length about the "poor Lebanese" and don't say a single word about how this all started in the first place, or even what started this particular episode in the saga.

CNN actually had one reporter getting a tour (by a labeled member of Hezbollah, no less) of buildings destroyed by Israeli missiles, complete with tut-tutting from Wolf Blitzer for commentary. I kept waiting for them to say something about all the Israeli civilians that have been killed at the hands of terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, but nope. Not a word.

If that's where I got all my news, I would probably think that the Israelis made an unprovoked attack, too. I'd think that everyone was minding their own business in peace, love and harmony until Israel started shooting missiles at them for no apparent reason.

Thank god for Fox and the internet, is all I can say.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

They were interviewing some American girl on the radio - one of the ones who are being evacuated from Beirut - and she was all crying and saying, quote, "This is all Israel's fault!"

Ahhhh....thank you DJ for opening the door for me. Now I don't have to start a thread.

BTW..... kudos on all the rebuttals to David.

Someone explain to me why 25,000 "Americans" are living in a known terrorist city???

Then if you can, tell me why the administration listened to the cow Pelosi and waived the requirement for them to reimburse the costs of evacuating their retarded asses!!!

 

[ylexot]

I just had a thought...I wonder if Iran prodded this stuff along in order to observe the Israeli tactics/capabilities and/or depleat their resources?