It's official now - Apple will take over the world

[OoberBoober]

I would say that it was over hyped by the media not Apple. Media wants money, Apple has fans, talk about Apple and you make money. No different than sites like TMZ and so called stars.

Overheard: Steve Jobs Says Apple Tablet “Will Be The Most Important Thing I’ve Ever Done.”

Only the media?

 

[somdfunguy]

He always says that about each new product.

 

[Larry Gude]

In 5 years, this device and its content delivery mechanisms will have taken over the media world in the same way that the IPod and Itunes took over the music world. This product will obsolete product categories, having created an entirely new comprehensive one.

In 5 years??? Five years???

Come on! My coffee make plays tunes now. In five years this thing had better be in a dust bin somewhere or Apple will be in trouble, dontcha think?

Five years.

 

[czygvtwkr]

The Segway (remember "it") was going to change the world too

 

[somdfunguy]

The Segway (remember "it") was going to change the world too

You know you were a fan of Paul Blart

 

[Beta84]

The Kindle can't even hold a candle to this device. And, you can't exactly carry a TV on the road with you. This will eventually change the idea of having stationary TVs all over the place. Your media will travel with you - you will watch it, or read it, or listen to it wherever you want - inside your house and outside it. It will conform to your life - not you to it.

You know what they call that remarkable device? A laptop. Larger screen, but not THAT much larger where it's inconvenient to carry around in a similar travel bag. Gives you more functionality too. On top of that, most people already have a need for one.

The kindle beats this because of its size. If you want something you're going to carry around with you, it should fit in a pocket. The kindle, I believe, fits in a pocket...this doesn't. So if you're mainly a book/magazine person then you need nothing more. But if you like books AND/OR movies/TV then you can't use a kindle, but that's what a laptop is for. Then there's a subset of people that, instead of a laptop, have a smartphone or to a lesser extent, an iTouch (which is basically an iPhone without the phone part).

Basically, most of the current markets for this product are already using something that gives them everything they need. This might catch on later, but right now I think the only people who are going to buy this are the ones that are loaded, don't like carrying a laptop when they travel, and actually travel...since nobody seems to need it otherwise. Really, I can't think of a use for this if you own a laptop. For those who don't, many of them don't own a laptop because they can't afford one, so it's doubtful they'd go for a novelty item like this.

We'll see, but I don't think it'll be that big. There's a market, but not a big one.

 

[Tilted]

In 5 years??? Five years???

Come on! My coffee make plays tunes now. In five years this thing had better be in a dust bin somewhere or Apple will be in trouble, dontcha think?

Five years.

I don't mean that this actual device will be around and control the market. They'll make new products and others will try to make products as well. It's the models for content delivery and pricing that will change. That's what they are doing - that's what they are effectuating, and will continue to effectuate. This device finally makes it work, and work right, and all work together - it is the realization of what smart phones 'want' to be, but haven't really gotten to yet. It is the realization of what internet browsing wants to be. It is the realization of what laptops (as media devices - not as workshops) have wanted to be, but haven't been able to pull off. It is what TVs and bookshelves have always wanted to be. It is the coming together of all the media in our lives in a simple, intuitive, personally flexible, and less expensive (on the whole) delivery stream.

It is the content delivery model that is changing, and this device finally provides the hardware that can make the model change really work. Media delivery, ownership, and access is changing, just like it has with music. People continue to examine it in the context of how they understand things working now - and that's just it, the nature of how we experience media content is changing - the way it will 'work', will be different. Others have tried to do this piece meal - like with the kindle - but they haven't gotten it right.

I have only 2 concerns with this product. Will the tie to AT&T diminish the experience of what this is, and how fragile is that screen - is it ready to stand up to the abuse of being humans' go-to interface with the media world.

 

[Larry Gude]

I don't mean that this actual device will be around and control the market. They'll make new products and others will try to make products as well. It's the models for content delivery and pricing that will change. That's what they are doing - that's what they are effectuating, and will continue to effectuate. This device finally makes it work, and work right, and all work together - it is the realization of what smart phones 'want' to be, but haven't really gotten to yet. It is the realization of what internet browsing wants to be. It is the realization of what laptops (as media devices - not as workshops) have wanted to be, but haven't been able to pull off. It is what TVs and bookshelves have always wanted to be. It is the coming together of all the media in our lives in a simple, intuitive, personally flexible, and less expensive (on the whole) delivery stream.

It is the content delivery model that is changing, and this device finally provides the hardware that can make the model change really work. Media delivery, ownership, and access is changing, just like it has with music. People continue to examine it in the context of how they understand things working now - and that's just it, the nature of how we experience media content is changing - the way it will 'work', will be different. Others have tried to do this piece meal - like with the kindle - but they haven't gotten it right.

I have only 2 concerns with this product. Will the tie to AT&T diminish the experience of what this is, and how fragile is that screen - is it ready to stand up to the abuse of being humans' go-to interface with the media world.

Well, I gotta have that!

Jobs could use you to promote this thing, btw.

 

[BET]

:giggle:

 

[Tilted]

You know what they call that remarkable device? A laptop. Larger screen, but not THAT much larger where it's inconvenient to carry around in a similar travel bag. Gives you more functionality too. On top of that, most people already have a need for one.

The kindle beats this because of its size. If you want something you're going to carry around with you, it should fit in a pocket. The kindle, I believe, fits in a pocket...this doesn't. So if you're mainly a book/magazine person then you need nothing more. But if you like books AND/OR movies/TV then you can't use a kindle, but that's what a laptop is for. Then there's a subset of people that, instead of a laptop, have a smartphone or to a lesser extent, an iTouch (which is basically an iPhone without the phone part).

Basically, most of the current markets for this product are already using something that gives them everything they need. This might catch on later, but right now I think the only people who are going to buy this are the ones that are loaded, don't like carrying a laptop when they travel, and actually travel...since nobody seems to need it otherwise. Really, I can't think of a use for this if you own a laptop. For those who don't, many of them don't own a laptop because they can't afford one, so it's doubtful they'd go for a novelty item like this.

We'll see, but I don't think it'll be that big. There's a market, but not a big one.

The laptop is just a portable computer. It isn't nuanced and streamlined to be a simple and intuitive media content delivery portal. It tries to be that and be a workshop at the same time. Trying to be the latter, it fails at being the former. The Kindle is nothing like this device - the functionality and the nature of the interface is a world behind. It's like comparing a slingshot and a rifle. Again, it's not about 'what' something can do - it's about how it does it.

It will no doubt be a while before everyone has one (or several) of these, or other devices like them, but we all eventually will. This device will change the way we think of media content, and the way we retrieve it, and eventually our devices will all conform to that new way of thinking of it.

This product creates a category - a category that will eventually make some other categories obsolete. The difference between this product (and the content models that it will create and expand) and others, is that it isn't answering a need, it is creating and defining one. It will point out to people something that they need, and which they don't yet understand that they need. That's one of the things that great products do.

 

[Tilted]

Well, I gotta have that!

Jobs could use you to promote this thing, btw.

He doesn't need me - he might be the greatest salesmen of our generation.

I'll bump this thread in 5 years, and we'll see where we're at.



(Or, maybe, someone else will bump it. )

EDIT: I forgot about Ron Popeil.

 

[Beta84]

The laptop is just a portable computer. It isn't nuanced and streamlined to be a simple and intuitive media content delivery portal. It tries to be that and be a workshop at the same time. Trying to be the latter, it fails at being the former. The Kindle is nothing like this device - the functionality and the nature of the interface is a world behind. It's like comparing a slingshot and a rifle. Again, it's not about 'what' something can do - it's about how it does it.

It will no doubt be a while before everyone has one (or several) of these, or other devices like them, but we all eventually will. This device will change the way we think of media content, and the way we retrieve it, and eventually our devices will all conform to that new way of thinking of it.

This product creates a category - a category that will eventually make some other categories obsolete. The difference between this product (and the content models that it will create and expand) and others, is that it isn't answering a need, it is creating and defining one. It will point out to people something that they need, and which they don't yet understand that they need. That's one of the things that great products do.

just curious, what do you think it will make obsolete?

 

[Tilted]

just curious, what do you think it will make obsolete?

Netbooks, certainly Kindles, eventually smart phones, to some extent MP3 players (though certainly not completely), to a large extent newspapers and magazines, to some extent laptops (for purposes other than being work stations), to some extent TVs (we'll probably always have some large dedicated video display devices for 'communal' watching, but we'll lose a lot of the personal TVs in bedrooms and offices and such - though that will take time), to some extent peripheral devices like DVD players and game systems. Textbooks will become a thing of the past - students will have these kinds of devices and they'll 'rent' the content that is associated with a particular course, and be able to interact with it in ways that just weren't feasible before.

The way we relate to such things will change - we will come to expect them to conform to us, and come to us, instead of us going to them. When we lay on the couch, or in the bed, or sit in a chair, or on a plane - we will expect our media interface to be at our beck and call. We won't expect to have to go to the Living Room to see something we want, or to our bookshelf to find something we want, or to the store to get a magazine. And, once we engage something, we will expect it to travel seamlessly with us, instead of us being stuck where it is at.

 

[workaholic]

Amazon.com: Kindle DX Wireless Reading Device (9.7" Display, Global Wireless, Latest Generation): Kindle Store

The larger Kindle is $10.00 less than the iPad. For $10 more I can get access to a ton of apps, a color touch screen, 16 Gigs of storage, movies, music, photos, internet, email, and they are also going to have an iWork version for the iPad. So you can view and edit any iWork documents. Also iWork will open and save files as a .doc.

I am sure that the movies will be just the same as they are with Apple TV. If you rent a movie you have it for 30 days. Once you start watching it you have 24 hours to watch it. After it expires it is automatically deleted. This would be perfect for plane rides, trains, buses or just long car trips. I currently have an iPhone and there is no way I would watch a movie on that.

I will buy one. The number one thing I think they missed to mark on with this and I am sure it will be included in the next version (yes, because there will be several) is a webcam. How awesome would it be to be able to Skype right from this thing. Apple hit the mark on the 3g service. I was worried that they were going to make a deal with Verizon and I would have to deal with their slow network and be stuck with a 2 year contract. But with the deal with AT&T and it being no contract required that is awesome. $30.00 a month for unlimited data is awesome. AT&T's network is faster on the 3G side than Verizon so it should operate pretty good. Coverage is not the greatest in this area but it is great in any major metropolitan area.

When I saw this I immediately thought is could replace my laptop. However with reading more about the device I don't think this will be the case. However, it will supplement my laptop. To the point of instead of using it nightly for Facebook, email, internet and forums I will use the iPad for a majority of things.

I can't wait!

 

[Beta84]

Netbooks, certainly Kindles, eventually smart phones, to some extent MP3 players (though certainly not completely), to a large extent newspapers and magazines, to some extent laptops (for purposes other than being work stations), to some extent TVs (we'll probably always have some large dedicated video display devices for 'communal' watching, but we'll lose a lot of the personal TVs in bedrooms and offices and such - though that will take time), to some extent peripheral devices like DVD players and game systems. Textbooks will become a thing of the past - students will have these kinds of devices and they'll 'rent' the content that is associated with a particular course, and be able to interact with it in ways that just weren't feasible before.

The way we relate to such things will change - we will come to expect them to conform to us, and come to us, instead of us going to them. When we lay on the couch, or in the bed, or sit in a chair, or on a plane - we will expect our media interface to be at our beck and call. We won't expect to have to go to the Living Room to see something we want, or to our bookshelf to find something we want, or to the store to get a magazine. And, once we engage something, we will expect it to travel seamlessly with us, instead of us being stuck where it is at.

Netbooks, OK. But they're more expensive so I'm not completely sold on that. It costs the same as a cheap laptop but doesn't do as much.

Kindles, not really. People buy kindles for books. They're more portable and much cheaper. This is a separate market.

Smart phones? No. Why would someone buy that large thing when the smart phone is much more portable? The iTouch is far more likely to knock out smart phones than this thing.

MP3 players? Interesting you were skeptical about those, because I think MP3 players would be replaced about as much as any of the aforementioned items.

Textbooks? Maybe, but doubtful. If textbooks are available through this thing then I would think they could be available elsewhere. Students need laptops these days and they could easily use those.

TVs? That thing is way too small, even for personal television. Unless you're holding it up in your face right in front, it'll be too small.

While I agree with your basic idea that it combines a bunch of items and is more portable than a laptop of a similar price, it is more of a novelty item than it is a useful necessity that will knock a bunch of items off the market.


and anyone lookin at buying that larger kindle is stupid because the iPad is definitely a better buy

 

[workaholic]

The kindle, I believe, fits in a pocket...this doesn't. So if you're mainly a book/magazine person then you need nothing more. But if you like books AND/OR movies/TV then you can't use a kindle, but that's what a laptop is for. Then there's a subset of people that, instead of a laptop, have a smartphone or to a lesser extent, an iTouch (which is basically an iPhone without the phone part).

Amazon.com: Kindle Wireless Reading Device (6" Display, Global Wireless, Latest Generation): Kindle Store

The smallest Kindle is still pretty big and will not fit in your pocket. Unless they are the size of a purse.

I think all of those companies that spent millions on developing and launching their e-readers at CES a couple weeks ago just #### themselves.

 

[Beta84]

Amazon.com: Kindle Wireless Reading Device (6" Display, Global Wireless, Latest Generation): Kindle Store

The smallest Kindle is still pretty big and will not fit in your pocket. Unless they are the size of a purse.

I think all of those companies that spent millions on developing and launching their e-readers at CES a couple weeks ago just #### themselves.

hmm I thought the smallest were small enough for a jean pocket but i dunno. while the kindle may get it's ass kicked if that's the case, they just made bank over the holidays, while the iPad was dumb and waited til January to come out. not very good marketing scheme

but the smaller one is still cheaper and if people only care for reading then it still has its niche. but that larger one is useless

 

[workaholic]

hmm I thought the smallest were small enough for a jean pocket but i dunno. while I think the kindle may get it's ass kicked, they just made bank over the holidays, while the iPad was dumb and waited til January to come out. not very good marketing scheme

Yeah they definitely cleanup up over the holidays.

I have been an Apple fan long enough to know the Steve Jobs does not like to share the spotlight with anyone or anything. An announcement during the holidays would have shadowed over the device. So wait until there is nothing else going on. Then by the holidays this year the device will be fully supported and they will reap the rewards then. It isn't like he needed the money to get it launched ASAP.

 

[czygvtwkr]

Amazon.com: Kindle Wireless Reading Device (6" Display, Global Wireless, Latest Generation): Kindle Store

The smallest Kindle is still pretty big and will not fit in your pocket. Unless they are the size of a purse.

I think all of those companies that spent millions on developing and launching their e-readers at CES a couple weeks ago just #### themselves.

This sure isn't much of a market to steal, I know 1 person with a kindle and that's it.

Apple fans say the exact things about the MAC OS and how much market share does that have?

 

[workaholic]

This sure isn't much of a market to steal, I know 1 person with a kindle and that's it.

Apple fans say the exact things about the MAC OS and how much market share does that have?

If you compare it the Mac Computers to PC computers the market share is not as strong for Mac. But compare the iPod to any other portable music player. It single handedly killed the Discman/Walkman. Microsoft tried competing with their Zune and it is a miserable performer in this arena.

What is to say this is not the next big thing for Apple? It could possibly be the end of paper books. Not that I ever think they would disappear all together but look at CD's. Instead of saying how many CD's and artist sold they refer to how many times their song was downloaded. It very well could be the start of a Paradigm shift with allowing digital media delivered anywhere, anytime.