Jesus is either the biggest fraud in history or He is exactly who He claims to be.

[2ndAmendment]

I find it okay that 2A and I do not agree on some things even if we agree with each other on other things.

My interpretation is my interpretation and I am happy with mine as that is what a personal relationship with God and Jesus is all about - "personal" / one person with their God.

It just seemed to me that this thread needed me to preach the truth to set the religious questions right in case anyone viewing this thread might want to get it right instead of beating the Orthodox drum.

But you are misleading people with a most grievous lie. Those that are not believers and have not accepted Jesus may believe your misinterpretation and be lost because of your posts.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Says you and Orthodoxy,

but I say that it is easy for all of us to understand how God is our Father in Heaven and that Jesus is His son and we all are children of God and the spirit of God is God's power and not some mystical third person.

That mis-claim that people lack the ability to understand the "trinity" or any aspect of God is not true and it belittles human beings and in fact we all have the full capable ability to understand everything about God if each one will personally seek it out.

We do not have to stay ignorant of the scripture truths because the children of God have the right and the power to know everything.

You are confused again.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I had not thought of that either that claiming the Bible is some absolute infalible word of God and then every english version is different and the Bible was not an english language book in the first place.

The word "Hell" was an old english word that meant "grave" but the original language does not even have the word "hell" at all.

The Bible was not written in english, is not that a pitiful situation?

The Orthodox have made an idol out of the english version of the Bible.

You, again, have it wrong.

As for there being 21 English versions, so what? Pick two or three at random and read them side by side and you will see that the meaning is the same even if the phrasing is slightly different.

The original manuscripts were written in Hebrew-Aramaic and Ancient Greek. Take some text in a modern language like Japanese and have several people that are fluent in Japanese and English translate it. You will get slight variations in the actual text but the meaning will be maintained.

Words are only groupings of symbols to convey ideas. The ideas are what are important. The various English Bibles maintain the consistency of the ideas conveyed. It is those ideas that are the One Truth.

 

[Giantone]

I had not thought of that

Someone call CNN.....................

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

The Holy Spirit is what you feel when moved to repent, accept Christ, etc. Jesus is how you become saved. By accepting he is God's son. Remember, Jesus sits at the right hand. He is the right hand.
God is the creator.
This is very difficlt to explain to some people. For me it is VERY simple.
Jesus Christ is God

I simply loved every word she said except for that link.

It is not a link to a Bible text but to some other person / group and so it does not reflect her personal relationship with God or with Jesus but only to that stuff on that Orthodox link.

Why does not "Camily" believe what Jesus in the Bible says that the Father was in Heaven while Jesus was down here on earth as a completely separate being? link HERE.

Therefore she has great faith without correct knowledge.

It is okay in that she will be saved but in this world now she will have confusions.

 

[camily]

I simply loved every word she said except for that link.

It is not a link to a Bible text but to some other person / group and so it does not reflect her personal relationship with God or with Jesus but only to that stuff on that Orthodox link.

Why does not "Camily" believe what Jesus in the Bible says that the Father was in Heaven while Jesus was down here on earth as a completely separate being? link HERE.

Therefore she has great faith without correct knowledge.

It is okay in that she will be saved but in this world now she will have confusions.

John 1 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.

6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.

10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' " 16From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[e][f]who is at the Father's side, has made him known

1 Corinthians 3:18-19 Paul writes, "Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a 'fool' so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: 'He catches the wise in their craftiness'; and again, 'The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

John 1 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.

6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.

10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' " 16From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[e][f]who is at the Father's side, has made him known

1 Corinthians 3:18-19 Paul writes, "Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a 'fool' so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: 'He catches the wise in their craftiness'; and again, 'The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

Well this is great,

and now me and Camily are in complete agreement.

Well done, and you rock girl.

 

[camily]

Well this is great,

and now me and Camily are in complete agreement.

Well done, and you rock girl.

God have mercy on your soul. We are not in agreement.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

God have mercy on your soul. We are not in agreement.

It does not mean that we are in a total absolute agreement with each other.

It is not an all or nothing equation.

Just that I totally agree with your above post # 346 link HERE

therefore - in that there we are in agreement.

That does not mean that you have made it to the dark side of enlightenment but we do agree in that one post.

 

[camily]

It does not mean that we are in a total absolute agreement with each other.

It is not an all or nothing equation.

Just that I totally agree with your above post # 346 link HERE

therefore - in that there we are in agreement.

That does not mean that you have made it to the dark side of enlightenment but we do agree in that one post.

oxyMORON.











Or should I say maroon?

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferarri

... the dark side of enlightenment ...

oxyMORON.

Or should I say maroon?

I am so very pleased that you catch me on such a thing.

It does look like an oxymoron because it is refering to a spiritual concept and not really physical "darkness" and "lighting" as it appears.

My best understanding of this concept came from the Hindu scripture called the Bhagavad-Gita link HERE.

It goes like this;

The true light of God is darkness to those that do wrong,

but for the rightful person that darkness is as the light of day.

So what is enlightenment is darkness to the sinners.

Therefore the darkest side of enlightenment is closest to God and away from this decieved world of ours.

 

[camily]

I am so very pleased that you catch me on such a thing.

It does look like an oxymoron because it is refering to a spiritual concept and not really physical "darkness" and "lighting" as it appears.

My best understanding of this concept came from the Hindu scripture called the Bhagavad-Gita link HERE.

It goes like this;

The true light of God is darkness to those that do wrong,

but for the rightful person that darkness is as the light of day.

So what is enlightenment is darkness to the sinners.

Therefore the darkest side of enlightenment is closest to God and away from this decieved world of ours.

My head hurts.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferarri

My head hurts.

That was my point before,

that when you or anyone just believes as told and do not think for one-self then ye live in confusion and pain.

Fortunately we all do get saved in the end.

 

[camily]

That was my point before,

that when you or anyone just believes as told and do not think for one-self then ye live in confusion and pain.

Fortunately we all do get saved in the end.

We do not all get saved. What makes you think that? Seriously.

 

[This_person]

We do not all get saved. What makes you think that? Seriously.

He reads one sentence out of context, misinterprets it, and it becomes law in his head. All attempts to shake it with truth, reason, logic, or emotion will fail.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferarri

We do not all get saved. What makes you think that? Seriously.

We all get saved because God loves all people (excluding none) and Jesus paid the death penalty for all people (none left out) and so we all people everywhere have already been forgiven and all get saved in the end.

Not even one nasty rotten sinfilled person gets left behind or left out or sent to fire in Hell (not even one) because God and Jesus even love their worst of enemies, link HERE.

All people could become "perfect" but few even try, but on Judgement Day it will improve big time.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferarri

Seriously Camily, do you think your going to get any kind of answer, that resembles in the slightest bit, anything that could be confused with common sense ¿

This guy gives no answer while he does not even read mine,

and he wants the lady to follow him into hiding.

The blind leading the blind link HERE, unless she is smart enough to see.

 

[Giantone]

That was my point before,

that when you or anyone just believes as told and do not think for one-self then ye live in confusion and pain.

Fortunately we all do get saved in the end.

This explains your life in a nutshell,and shut up!

 

[camily]

I know that many people claim that but the Bible and Jesus does not really teach that.

Jesus said He and the Father are one but not the same.

The two agree as one and they act as one but are completely separate.

Jesus prayed to the Father in Heaven and did not pray to Himself there on earth.

Claiming God is some mystical creature with three persons crammed into one unit would mean that God were some kind of freak and we people would not be his children.

I hate to but I was thinking about this thread this morning at about 5:00 AM. I was talking with my mom about it and she said it this way......
You are at the same time a wife, mother and daughter.
Is it difficult or impossible for you to be all three at once?
Of course it's not. It's just who I am and what I am.
All three at the same time. I am not less of a mother when I am with my mother as her daughter.
Not less of a daughter when I am with my husband as a wife, and so on.
When I can't be with my children physically, I may tell them to think of me and it will make them feel better (yes, I know this is VERY simplistic). That is something I use to comunicate with them from inside their heart.
Does that make sense? I am all three at once, not separate.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferarri

I hate to but I was thinking about this thread this morning at about 5:00 AM. I was talking with my mom about it and she said it this way......
You are at the same time a wife, mother and daughter.
Is it difficult or impossible for you to be all three at once?
Of course it's not. It's just who I am and what I am.
All three at the same time. I am not less of a mother when I am with my mother as her daughter.
Not less of a daughter when I am with my husband as a wife, and so on.
When I can't be with my children physically, I may tell them to think of me and it will make them feel better (yes, I know this is VERY simplistic). That is something I use to comunicate with them from inside their heart.
Does that make sense? I am all three at once, not separate.

I like that.

Very nice and very well put.

My compliments to your mon.