Jesus is either the biggest fraud in history or He is exactly who He claims to be.

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Jpc,
You are preaching a lie.

May God remove the scales from your eyes.

Well you might believe that but do notice that I put links to the Bible text to back up what I say,

and my interpretations match with the words in the text.

The Bible is like a big puzzle and we just have to put the pieces together.

Like I preach that it is God's will that everyone gets saved link HERE.

So everyone (all people) do get saved because it is the will of God.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Well you might believe that but do notice that I put links to the Bible text to back up what I say,

and my interpretations match with the words in the text.

The Bible is like a big puzzle and we just have to put the pieces together.

Like I preach that it is God's will that everyone gets saved link HERE.

So everyone (all people) do get saved because it is the will of God.

You can link all you want. I post the actual scripture, and you ignore it. Your interpretation of what you link to is out of context and therefor not correct. Everything in the Bible must be taken in light of every other thing in the Bible. The Bible does not contradict itself.

Of course God loves all His creatures. He wants everyone to repent and come to Him and that none should perish. Here is the entire chapter that contains the verse you linked to.

2 Peter 3

1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

But sine you take the verse out of context you miss that Peter was writing to believers and explaining why Jesus had not returned yet. You miss the context of verses 7, 10, 16 & 17 which clearly delineate between those that are believers and those that are unable to learn from what has been preached to them and the destruction in fire that waits those that are ungodly and wicked. The wicked and ungodly, those that have not received Jesus as Savior and live accordingly to their salvation are not saved.

It is true that at judgment, every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. But notice that the scripture you take out of context does not say that every tongue will claim Jesus as Savior. There is a difference. After a person dies or if they have not accepted Jesus before the time of judgment, it is too late to accept Jesus as Savior.

Everyone is not saved and saying so is lying and you are responsible for posting that lie.

I trust that the scales will fall from your spiritual eyes for in many ways, you are truly blind.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

You can link all you want. I post the actual scripture, and you ignore it. Your interpretation of what you link to is out of context and therefor not correct. Everything in the Bible must be taken in light of every other thing in the Bible. The Bible does not contradict itself.

Of course God loves all His creatures. He wants everyone to repent and come to Him and that none should perish. Here is the entire chapter that contains the verse you linked to.

But sine you take the verse out of context you miss that Peter was writing to believers and explaining why Jesus had not returned yet. You miss the context of verses 7, 10, 16 & 17 which clearly delineate between those that are believers and those that are unable to learn from what has been preached to them and the destruction in fire that waits those that are ungodly and wicked. The wicked and ungodly, those that have not received Jesus as Savior and live accordingly to their salvation are not saved.

It is true that at judgment, every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. But notice that the scripture you take out of context does not say that every tongue will claim Jesus as Savior. There is a difference. After a person dies or if they have not accepted Jesus before the time of judgment, it is too late to accept Jesus as Savior.

Everyone is not saved and saying so is lying and you are responsible for posting that lie.

I trust that the scales will fall from your spiritual eyes for in many ways, you are truly blind.

It is okay by me if 2A wants to believe that way and not me.

I stand by my beliefs and my interpretation and not his.

It even seems to me that maybe God likes some persons to believe in the Hell fire because one like 2A might otherwise go with his cross in one hand and automatic weapon in his other hand to force his Orthodoxy onto the rest of us if he was not afraid of his burning God.

So it is fine by me that he believes differently than my religious beliefs so long as he remains harmless.

 

[Giantone]

I stand by my beliefs and my interpretation and not his.

It even seems to me that maybe God likes some persons to believe in the Hell fire because one like 2A might otherwise go with his cross in one hand and automatic weapon in his other hand to force his Orthodoxy onto the rest of us if he was not afraid of his burning God.

What do you think Gog thinks about people who abuse and neglect there own children??? LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

What do you think God thinks about people who abuse and neglect there own children??? LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe that God always provides the one thing (or more) that each child needs in their given situations.

Even the horribly abused children are never entirely overlooked by our Creator.

Those children and others might not agree but I find some mark of God being there even in the worse of cases.

Not everybody can see it - but the sign of God is always there in each and every case.

 

[2ndAmendment]

It is okay by me if 2A wants to believe that way and not me.

I stand by my beliefs and my interpretation and not his.

It even seems to me that maybe God likes some persons to believe in the Hell fire because one like 2A might otherwise go with his cross in one hand and automatic weapon in his other hand to force his Orthodoxy onto the rest of us if he was not afraid of his burning God.

So it is fine by me that he believes differently than my religious beliefs so long as he remains harmless.

Now who is denigrating who? And you are liable and I could file charges against you for you have publicly accused me of a criminal act. Having an automatic weapon without the necessary license to have an automatic weapon is a crime. I have no automatic weapons. I wish I did, but I don't.

Your interpretation is wrong. Period.

It has to do with God giving us His word to learn from and live by. It is only people like you that think the Bible is wrong "in places" that ignore that God is fully God and can keep and has kept His Word as the Truth.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Your interpretation is wrong. Period.

I find it okay that 2A and I do not agree on some things even if we agree with each other on other things.

My interpretation is my interpretation and I am happy with mine as that is what a personal relationship with God and Jesus is all about - "personal" / one person with their God.

It just seemed to me that this thread needed me to preach the truth to set the religious questions right in case anyone viewing this thread might want to get it right instead of beating the Orthodox drum.

 

[camily]

I find it okay that 2A and I do not agree on some things even if we agree with each other on other things.

My interpretation is my interpretation and I am happy with mine as that is what a personal relationship with God and Jesus is all about - "personal" / one person with their God.

It just seemed to me that this thread needed me to preach the truth to set the religious questions right in case anyone viewing this thread might want to get it right instead of beating the Orthodox drum.

God and Jesus are one in the same.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

God and Jesus are one in the same.

I know that many people claim that but the Bible and Jesus does not really teach that.

Jesus said He and the Father are one but not the same.

The two agree as one and they act as one but are completely separate.

Jesus prayed to the Father in Heaven and did not pray to Himself there on earth.

Claiming God is some mystical creature with three persons crammed into one unit would mean that God were some kind of freak and we people would not be his children.

 

[This_person]

I know that many people claim that but the Bible and Jesus does not really teach that.

Jesus said He and the Father are one but not the same.

The two agree as one and they act as one but are completely separate.

Jesus prayed to the Father in Heaven and did not pray to Himself there on earth.

Claiming God is some mystical creature with three persons crammed into one unit would mean that God were some kind of freak and we people would not be his children.

We were created in his image, not with all of his knowledges, strengths, and abilities. The one ability we're sorely lacking is the ability to understand on a physical level how the Trinity are one.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

We were created in his image, not with all of his knowledges, strengths, and abilities. The one ability we're sorely lacking is the ability to understand on a physical level how the Trinity are one.

Says you and Orthodoxy,

but I say that it is easy for all of us to understand how God is our Father in Heaven and that Jesus is His son and we all are children of God and the spirit of God is God's power and not some mystical third person.

That mis-claim that people lack the ability to understand the "trinity" or any aspect of God is not true and it belittles human beings and in fact we all have the full capable ability to understand everything about God if each one will personally seek it out.

We do not have to stay ignorant of the scripture truths because the children of God have the right and the power to know everything.

 

[This_person]

Says you and Orthodoxy,

and Genesis

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

and Genesis

That link says that God's image is both male and female,

so what does that have to do with the previous postings?

 

[This_person]

That link says that God's image is both male and female,

so what does that have to do with the previous postings?

that link says God created man in His image, that He created both male and female. It does NOT say that God's image is both male and female.

You're proven my point, again, that you cannot comprehend what you read. Please, take a class.

 

[Xaquin44]

heh. there are 21 different versions of the Bible in english there. Thats kind of funny.

 

[This_person]

heh. there are 21 different Bibles in english there. Thats kind of funny.

You should see how many different variations there are on the meaninglessness of life science gives us! It's freakin' hilarious.

 

[Xaquin44]

You should see how many different variations there are on the meaninglessness of life science gives us! It's freakin' hilarious.

well that is the very nature of science.

I've often heard the Bible refered to as the one truth.

not trying to start something, I just wasn't expecting it when I hit the link, and it made me chuckle a bit.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

heh. there are 21 different versions of the Bible in english there. Thats kind of funny.

I had not thought of that either that claiming the Bible is some absolute infalible word of God and then every english version is different and the Bible was not an english language book in the first place.

The word "Hell" was an old english word that meant "grave" but the original language does not even have the word "hell" at all.

The Bible was not written in english, is not that a pitiful situation?

The Orthodox have made an idol out of the english version of the Bible.

 

[camily]

I know that many people claim that but the Bible and Jesus does not really teach that.

Jesus said He and the Father are one but not the same.

The two agree as one and they act as one but are completely separate.

Jesus prayed to the Father in Heaven and did not pray to Himself there on earth.

Claiming God is some mystical creature with three persons crammed into one unit would mean that God were some kind of freak and we people would not be his children.

The Holy Spirit is what you feel when moved to repent, accept Christ, etc. Jesus is how you become saved. By accepting he is God's son. Remember, Jesus sits at the right hand. He is the right hand.
God is the creator.
This is very difficlt to explain to some people. For me it is VERY simple.
Jesus Christ is God

 

[dustin]

blah blah blah

I forgive you JPC.