Larry Gude
Strung Out
Why are you asking me?
I used the word 'Persians' in the title.
SmallTown said:
I used the word 'Persians' in the title.
Jews vs Persians, round 2...
- Thread starter Larry Gude
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FromTexas
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Although, if we are going to talk the Japanese, we should note the complete difference between Japanese suicide and Islamofacist Terrorist suicide.
The Japanese did revere life. They were in no rush to death. They did not want to sacrifice more than was a necessary. When they did suicide, it was a ritual for honor... but suicide is not what got them a place anywhere in the afterlife, just in the current one. They also only targeted military opponents in a war... not civilians. It was derived from being on the losing side of a war against a suddenly superior naval force (it didn't start that way because of Pearl Harbor). The Japanese also had to suicide from shame (Samurai). It was because their life was so meaningless. The same thinking goes with the suicide pilots... losing is a worse fate than death.
Now, look at the terrorist suicide bombing. It goes after any target (children, civilians, etc...), it will take any number of suicides (not limited to immediate target need), and you can go on from there.
The Japanese did revere life. They were in no rush to death. They did not want to sacrifice more than was a necessary. When they did suicide, it was a ritual for honor... but suicide is not what got them a place anywhere in the afterlife, just in the current one. They also only targeted military opponents in a war... not civilians. It was derived from being on the losing side of a war against a suddenly superior naval force (it didn't start that way because of Pearl Harbor). The Japanese also had to suicide from shame (Samurai). It was because their life was so meaningless. The same thinking goes with the suicide pilots... losing is a worse fate than death.
Now, look at the terrorist suicide bombing. It goes after any target (children, civilians, etc...), it will take any number of suicides (not limited to immediate target need), and you can go on from there.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Oh, no you don't...
...you can't be making idiotic references and then deciding hither and yon as to what is and what is not the point of the thread. Japanese suicide = Iran suicide. Suicide is fungible.
FromTexas said:
...you can't be making idiotic references and then deciding hither and yon as to what is and what is not the point of the thread. Japanese suicide = Iran suicide. Suicide is fungible.
Hessian
Well-Known Member
I was reading a critique...
a few years old that said that Iran could prove to be a valuable ally if the right people come to power.
There is this undercurrent that desires the freedoms, the liberties (if you will) and the western culture--these people have bided their time...been intimidated and now see a looming nuclear nightmare.
How can we get them to toss their wacko/towel-headed lunatic leaders?
Sometimes it seems we are playing two different games...and only their side is taking it seriously.
a few years old that said that Iran could prove to be a valuable ally if the right people come to power.
There is this undercurrent that desires the freedoms, the liberties (if you will) and the western culture--these people have bided their time...been intimidated and now see a looming nuclear nightmare.
How can we get them to toss their wacko/towel-headed lunatic leaders?
Sometimes it seems we are playing two different games...and only their side is taking it seriously.
Smallmind is just being his normal self.Larry Gude said:
SmallTown
Football season!
Larry Gude said:...you can't be making idiotic references and then deciding hither and yon as to what is and what is not the point of the thread. Japanese suicide = Iran suicide. Suicide is fungible.
If you were asking a rhetorical question, then you should have specified a certain group in your question about suicide bombers. Instead you dance around when people point out an answer to your question that kind of spoils your intention.
You are right, the Japanese and current day bombers ARE different. The ones today are MUCH more efficient at what they do. Maybe they did learn a few things from the Japanese after all.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Look...
...you can try to pawn off how you interpet the world around you all you want and it won't change that the thread was clearly about present day Iran and didn't have a thing to do with Japan and that's fine. I could care less.
And you can get offended that I pointed out your interpretation was quite odd and call me names if that makes you feel better as well, because that doesn't matter to me either.
You can sit there for the rest of the day trying to figure out how you had a brain fart and made a stupid point. got called on it and got defensive instead of just rolling with it and THAT won't matter to me either.
But don't ever, EVER expect me to sit by an be accused of dancing.
*shudder*
SmallTown said:
...you can try to pawn off how you interpet the world around you all you want and it won't change that the thread was clearly about present day Iran and didn't have a thing to do with Japan and that's fine. I could care less.
And you can get offended that I pointed out your interpretation was quite odd and call me names if that makes you feel better as well, because that doesn't matter to me either.
You can sit there for the rest of the day trying to figure out how you had a brain fart and made a stupid point. got called on it and got defensive instead of just rolling with it and THAT won't matter to me either.
But don't ever, EVER expect me to sit by an be accused of dancing.
*shudder*
You left for quite a while. Why did you come back? That is not really a question.SmallTown said:
FromTexas
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SmallTown said:
If you put down the bong for a moment and stop arguing just the last points because that is all you remember, you might remember the entirety of the thread and the debate within it. And BTW -- the Japanese vs Islamofacist point was mine and just to distinguish. In addition, the idiotic idea that what the Radical Muslim Terrorists do is more efficient has no merit. They don't destroy anything that decreases the ability of their counterparts to assault them. It is somewhat less efficient because they just hit the first place they can get themselves to. That would be like bombing the Midwest to destroy our Naval power... you sure make a lot of noise and kill some people, but have you really done anything to prevent your enemy from coming at you? Or, have you just pissed them off a lot?
FromTexas
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SmallTown said:
I didn't think anyone would get themselves wrapped around the interchangeable use of Arab or Persian since an Iranian can be an Arab or a Persian... and in regards to Israel, it has never been just Persians vs Israel -- it has been Iran and a host of Arab countries vs Israel -- Iran just happens to push a lot of the buttons. I am still on topic. :shrug:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Yeah!!
...it's YOUR fault! You made ST drag the Japs into this!
SmallTown said:
...it's YOUR fault! You made ST drag the Japs into this!
Is there any such thing as a "Persian" considering there's no such thing as "Persia"?
I did not know that.SmallTown said:
But I will say that you're kind of being a snerdley by niggling over the difference.
