Joel Osteen on Mormonism

[Starman3000m]

(excerpt)

"Joel Osteen is pastor of Houston's Lakewood Church, which -- according to Outreach Magazine -- hosts approximately 47,000 people each weekend in a renovated former NBA arena. Two days before Christmas, the best-selling author made an appearance on Fox News Sunday with host Chris Wallace, where he was asked about the role of religion in politics. More specifically, Osteen was asked about the Mormon faith, and whether a Mormon could be classified as "a true Christian."'

Pastor Joel Osteen speaks out on Mormonism (OneNewsNow.com)

 

[dboz]

(excerpt)

"Joel Osteen is pastor of Houston's Lakewood Church, which -- according to Outreach Magazine -- hosts approximately 47,000 people each weekend in a renovated former NBA arena. Two days before Christmas, the best-selling author made an appearance on Fox News Sunday with host Chris Wallace, where he was asked about the role of religion in politics. More specifically, Osteen was asked about the Mormon faith, and whether a Mormon could be classified as "a true Christian."'

Pastor Joel Osteen speaks out on Mormonism (OneNewsNow.com)

atleast he didnt bash the mormons like everyone else that doesnt no anythin about it

 

[vraiblonde]

You will not hear Joel Osteen bashing other religions and preaching hate or intolerance. This is one of the reasons I like him: he doesn't have this "I'm doing it right and the rest of you are going to hell" mentality.

 

[2ndAmendment]

You will not hear Joel Osteen bashing other religions and preaching hate or intolerance. This is one of the reasons I like him: he doesn't have this "I'm doing it right and the rest of you are going to hell" mentality.

No one that is operating a business instead of a ministry will proclaim anything about sin. It is not good for business. I've done a little reading on Joel since this thread started. He does not believe he was called to do God's work. He apparently actually said that in an interview. If that is so, he is not doing the work of God but the business of Joel.

 

[vraiblonde]

No one that is operating a business instead of a ministry will proclaim anything about sin.

Oh, is that right?

Oral Roberts
Jimmy Swaggart
Jim Bakker
Pat Robertson
etc
etc
etc

Sin sells, baby.

He does not believe he was called to do God's work. He apparently actually said that in an interview. If that is so, he is not doing the work of God but the business of Joel.

What on earth is wrong with humility and honesty??? Do you prefer the lies and deceit of the above-mentioned folks who proclaim to have been "called by God"????

 

[2ndAmendment]

Oh, is that right?

Oral Roberts
Jimmy Swaggart
Jim Bakker
Pat Robertson
etc
etc
etc

Sin sells, baby.


What on earth is wrong with humility and honesty??? Do you prefer the lies and deceit of the above-mentioned folks who proclaim to have been "called by God"????

Most of those left the truth about sin behind, too. You can be called and then lose it.

Same for salvation. Now I'm in trouble with the Baptists and the rest of the "once saved, always saved" crowd. But folks, I am not the one that said it.

Revelation 3:5 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

If a name can be erased, then at one point the person by that name must have been saved since their name was in the book of life.

Leaving that and returning to the original, Joel Olsteen, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggert, etc.. They are all just human beings subject to the failings of human beings. They, as anyone including me, can be led astray. The only way not to have that happen is to die to self everyday and keep our heart and mind on the only one that has never been led astray, Jesus.

As to people telling the truth, I would rather that all people all the time would tell the truth. The world would be chaos for a while, but it would be refreshing. Can you imagine all the people world wide telling the truth? Hillery? Romney? McCain? Putin? Bush? Pulosi? That would be a hoot.

 

[Pandora]

Joel has made it clear that he is an inspirational speaker motivated by God. He feels that he does this well, and I agree. The Women’s Christian Conference I go to in July filled with inspirational speakers motivated by God, not preachers. I leave there every year feeling great and ready to go back and deal with the derelicts of society.

If everyone has a purpose in life (God’s plan), then I believe we can hinder others from achieving their purpose (or even our own) with negative behaviors and attitudes. You will never know the true effect you have on another, but if you are always positive and treat them the way you want to be treated, you never have to question or be concerned with that, and that is what Joel’s messages are about. I don’t need to sit and hear how much of a sinner I am. I already know this but the fact is, we all are, some sorrowful for those sins and others who don’t give a damn about anyone but themselves and winning a game where there is no prize waiting for them. But for me, if I get caught up in condemnation, I know I am no good to the environment and people around me.

BTW, I thought Joel's response was

 

[ItalianScallion]

"Joel Osteen...was asked about the Mormon faith, and whether a Mormon could be classified as "a true Christian."'

This is not directed at you Starman but some of you who don't know the Bible need to stop making these assertions. A Mormon is not a Christian any more than a Jew is who doesn't acknowledge Jesus Christ. Jesus lashed out at the "unbelieving Jews" in John 8 and many other passages because they refused to believe in Him as the Messiah. The Jews believed in the God of the OT but, when He was further explained or revealed to them, they refused to believe in Him. This is what Paul calls a "different Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11 v 3-15) and anyone who believes in different Jesus is not a Christian! Paul said this "different Jesus" is "satan masquerading as an angel of light" trying to deceive you. I can say Jesus is my refrigerator and worship it but it will not get me to Heaven. The things that you must believe in to be truly saved are these:
1) Jesus is God who became a man and came to earth.
2) Jesus is Jehovah God and the second person in the Godhead. (Along with The Father & Holy Spirit also being Jehovah and the 1st & 3rd persons respectively).
3) Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
4) Jesus was killed on a cross because a sinless blood sacrifice was needed to pay the price for our sins so that, when we accept Him into our lives, we can enter Heaven when we die.
5) Jesus, 3 days later, brought Himself back from the dead to prove He is God and has power over life & death.
Now, with those statements in mind, compare what Moromnism says about who Jesus is and YOU decide. Otherwise, stop talking about what you know little of. He is NOT satan's brother and He was not first a man then became a god. Call me what you want but these are His rules, not mine. Many of you are going to follow a different Jesus and miss out on Heaven. When you do, you can't say I didn't tell you so.

 

[dboz]

This is not directed at you Starman but some of you who don't know the Bible need to stop making these assertions. A Mormon is not a Christian any more than a Jew is who doesn't acknowledge Jesus Christ. Jesus lashed out at the "unbelieving Jews" in John 8 and many other passages because they refused to believe in Him as the Messiah. The Jews believed in the God of the OT but, when He was further explained or revealed to them, they refused to believe in Him. This is what Paul calls a "different Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11 v 3-15) and anyone who believes in different Jesus is not a Christian! Paul said this "different Jesus" is "satan masquerading as an angel of light" trying to deceive you. I can say Jesus is my refrigerator and worship it but it will not get me to Heaven. The things that you must believe in to be truly saved are these:
1) Jesus is God who became a man and came to earth.
2) Jesus is Jehovah God and the second person in the Godhead. (Along with The Father & Holy Spirit also being Jehovah and the 1st & 3rd persons respectively).
3) Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
4) Jesus was killed on a cross because a sinless blood sacrifice was needed to pay the price for our sins so that, when we accept Him into our lives, we can enter Heaven when we die.
5) Jesus, 3 days later, brought Himself back from the dead to prove He is God and has power over life & death.
Now, with those statements in mind, compare what Moromnism says about who Jesus is and YOU decide. Otherwise, stop talking about what you know little of. He is NOT satan's brother and He was not first a man then became a god. Call me what you want but these are His rules, not mine. Many of you are going to follow a different Jesus and miss out on Heaven. When you do, you can't say I didn't tell you so.

you preach about how mormons are not christians and you talk to others like no one else knows what they are saying or belive in. Your beginning of the paragrah should not have read those that dont know the bible it should have read those that dont know about other religions should not make assertations. From my point of view it is you that seems to need some education on the true beliefs of Mormonism. Fact find before you preach!!

 

[craberta]

You will not hear Joel Osteen bashing other religions and preaching hate or intolerance. This is one of the reasons I like him: he doesn't have this "I'm doing it right and the rest of you are going to hell" mentality.

EXACTLY

 

[itsbob]

This is not directed at you Starman but some of you who don't know the Bible need to stop making these assertions. A Mormon is not a Christian any more than a Jew is who doesn't acknowledge Jesus Christ. Jesus lashed out at the "unbelieving Jews" in John 8 and many other passages because they refused to believe in Him as the Messiah. The Jews believed in the God of the OT but, when He was further explained or revealed to them, they refused to believe in Him. This is what Paul calls a "different Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11 v 3-15) and anyone who believes in different Jesus is not a Christian! Paul said this "different Jesus" is "satan masquerading as an angel of light" trying to deceive you. I can say Jesus is my refrigerator and worship it but it will not get me to Heaven. The things that you must believe in to be truly saved are these:
1) Jesus is God who became a man and came to earth.
2) Jesus is Jehovah God and the second person in the Godhead. (Along with The Father & Holy Spirit also being Jehovah and the 1st & 3rd persons respectively).
3) Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
4) Jesus was killed on a cross because a sinless blood sacrifice was needed to pay the price for our sins so that, when we accept Him into our lives, we can enter Heaven when we die.
5) Jesus, 3 days later, brought Himself back from the dead to prove He is God and has power over life & death.
Now, with those statements in mind, compare what Moromnism says about who Jesus is and YOU decide. Otherwise, stop talking about what you know little of. He is NOT satan's brother and He was not first a man then became a god. Call me what you want but these are His rules, not mine. Many of you are going to follow a different Jesus and miss out on Heaven. When you do, you can't say I didn't tell you so.

Bigot!

 

[toppick08]

Bigot!

Well, at least I'm not alone...

 

[ItalianScallion]

you preach about how mormons are not christians and you talk to others like no one else knows what they are saying or belive in. Your beginning of the paragrah should not have read those that dont know the bible it should have read those that dont know about other religions should not make assertations. From my point of view it is you that seems to need some education on the true beliefs of Mormonism. Fact find before you preach!!

You said "I talk to others like no one else knows what they are saying". I go by what they say versus what the Bible says. It's easy. Now, tell me what is wrong with my statements "from your point of view".

Bigot!

Thanks you Bob. Coming from you that's quite a compliment because Jesus must be one too.

 

[itsbob]

You said "I talk to others like no one else knows what they are saying". I go by what they say versus what the Bible says. It's easy. Now, tell me what is wrong with my statements "from your point of view".

Thanks you Bob. Coming from you that's quite a compliment because Jesus must be one too.

Anyone that can state their disdain for another person for their beliefs.. yep.. BIGOT.. But remember, Jesus was a "Jew"... so you must have a lot of disdain for him too..

 

[Xaquin44]

oh, cool

a christian fight

hey, my jesus is better then yours and also, my interpretation of the bible is more correct then is yours.

am I doing it right?

should I have quoted something?

 

[Pandora]

oh, cool

a christian fight

hey, my jesus is better then yours and also, my interpretation of the bible is more correct then is yours.

am I doing it right?

should I have quoted something?

Amazing isn't it.

The Bible states the Jews were purposely blinded by God (blinded to not see Jesus for what he is). Those blinders will come in the end. They will eventually see.

 

[ItalianScallion]

oh, cool
a christian fight
hey, my jesus is better then yours and also, my interpretation of the bible is more correct then is yours.
am I doing it right?
should I have quoted something?

Hey Xaquin, did you hear how much rain is falling in Atlanta? What kind of excuse do you have for all the Congressman's prayers now? Never mind, it's off topic anyway...

 

[ItalianScallion]

Anyone that can state their disdain for another person for their beliefs.. yep.. BIGOT.. But remember, Jesus was a "Jew"... so you must have a lot of disdain for him too..

Again, you shouldn't speak of what you don't know Bob. Jesus WAS a Jew. Did that mean He didn't believe in Himself as Messiah like the other Jews did? DUH. Read on my friend. The Bible is a big book.

Amazing isn't it. The Bible states the Jews were purposely blinded by God (blinded to not see Jesus for what he is). Those blinders will come in the end. They will eventually see.

WHAT???? The Bible states that God can blind anyone He chooses because He knows they aren't going to be saved NO MATTER WHAT, so what's the point here?
And yes, many people (Jews and people from other belief systems) will be saved near the end of time but not EVERY Jew "will eventually see". Many will be lost for their unbelief in Christ as Messiah.

 

[Xaquin44]

Hey Xaquin, did you hear how much rain is falling in Atlanta? What kind of excuse do you have for all the Congressman's prayers now? Never mind, it's off topic anyway...

how many weeks after the fact lol

or when it first rained and they first prayed it was in the forecast anyway lol

hey guess what!

I'm praying that the sun comes up





OH MY GOD IT DID!

MY PRAYER DID THAT!



you seem to honestly be saying his power of prayer granted him something that was coming anyway, which is pathetic.

 

[2ndAmendment]

oh, cool

a christian fight

hey, my jesus is better then yours and also, my interpretation of the bible is more correct then is yours.

am I doing it right?

should I have quoted something?

isbob is not a Christian. He is one of yours.