Joel Osteen on Mormonism

2ndAmendment

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
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ItalianScallion said:
Again, you shouldn't speak of what you don't know Bob. Jesus WAS a Jew. Did that mean He didn't believe in Himself as Messiah like the other Jews did? DUH. Read on my friend. The Bible is a big book.

WHAT???? The Bible states that God can blind anyone He chooses because He knows they aren't going to be saved NO MATTER WHAT, so what's the point here?
And yes, many people (Jews and people from other belief systems) will be saved near the end of time but not EVERY Jew "will eventually see". Many will be lost for their unbelief in Christ as Messiah.:yay:
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According to the Bible, only 144,000 Jews saved for God's kingdom at the time of the tribulation. There are a great multitude of those that have accepted Jesus.

Revelation 7:1-10

1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.

2And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,

3saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."
The 144,000
4And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:

5from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,

6from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,

7from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,

8from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
A Multitude from the Tribulation
9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;

10and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."
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greyhound

greyhound

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tommyjones said:
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cuz it says so man. Cant you keep up?

(nevermind the fact that the witnesses think this is the total number of people who will be in heaven not the number of jews- they just cant read the darn book right)
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tommyjones....is that your real name? I know someone named Tommy Jones.
 
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Pandora

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ItalianScallion said:
WHAT???? The Bible states that God can blind anyone He chooses because He knows they aren't going to be saved NO MATTER WHAT, so what's the point here?
And yes, many people (Jews and people from other belief systems) will be saved near the end of time but not EVERY Jew "will eventually see". Many will be lost for their unbelief in Christ as Messiah.:yay:
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I can agree with the last part but I am not sure the purpose of the beginning of your post. Are you disagreeing with me?

(I have notes everywhere and this is one)

“In Romans 10, Romans 11, Paul opens with a question, Has God forsaken Israel? And emphatically he says, ‘No!’ He asks the same question again in 11:11, Has God forsaken Israel? He says, ‘No!’ But the fact is he says that God has a remnant chosen by the election of grace, meaning that there are a group of Jewish people that have a relationship with God because of sovereign election. And he explains sovereign election in Romans 11. Many people understand sovereign election. Many people do not understand sovereign election. ... So he said, I have chosen some of the remnant of Abraham who have, quote, a relationship with God by the election of grace. Some of them have stumbled over Jesus Christ because I have, Romans 11, judicially blinded them to the identity of Jesus Christ.

The final removal of blindness, that is the spiritual blindness to which they are yet heir, will not be accomplished until the second advent of Christ (Romans 11:26-27). The removal of the judicial blindness permits Israel to hear the good news of the kingdom (Matt. 24:14) that is proclaimed in that day in order that they might be saved, both individually and nationally.”

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Edit: See 2A's post above referencing the Book of Revelation
 
Bustem' Down

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
Mormons are Christians, sorry that's just how it is. You can say a Tomato is a vegatable all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a fruit.
 
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ItalianScallion

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Pandora said:
I can agree with the last part but I am not sure the purpose of the beginning of your post. Are you disagreeing with me?
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I don't know, I just commented on what I thought you said. It seemed like you implied that ALL Jews would be saved in the end because God blinded them then unblinded them. I was just saying, (as 2A did), that not all Jews will be saved. I'm really not sure if the 144,000 is a literal number or not at this time. I'm still reading about it.:howdy:
 
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ItalianScallion

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Bustem' Down said:
Mormons are Christians, sorry that's just how it is. You can say a Tomato is a vegatable all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a fruit.
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Prove it to me friend. Tell me here (as I did in #8 earlier) who their Jesus is versus who the Jesus of the Bible is. Better yet, I and others have shown you who Jesus is, tell me why you think Mormons are Christians.
 
Xaquin44

Xaquin44

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ItalianScallion said:
Prove it to me friend. Tell me here (as I did in #8 earlier) who their Jesus is versus who the Jesus of the Bible is. Better yet, I and others have shown you who Jesus is, tell me why you think Mormons are Christians.
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Soon the rebellion will be crushed and young Skywalker will be one of us.
 
2ndAmendment

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Bustem' Down said:
Mormons are Christians, sorry that's just how it is. You can say a Tomato is a vegatable all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a fruit.
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We disagree. I considered becoming a Mormon at one time in my mid 20's. Did some studying. The Jesus of Mormonism is not the Jesus of the Bible, the Christ, in my opinion.
 
Bustem' Down

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
ItalianScallion said:
Prove it to me friend. Tell me here (as I did in #8 earlier) who their Jesus is versus who the Jesus of the Bible is. Better yet, I and others have shown you who Jesus is, tell me why you think Mormons are Christians.
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There is no difference. "Thier Jesus" as you put it is the Jesus of the bible. Why would you think otherwise. You my friend are creating a difference.
 
Bustem' Down

Bustem' Down

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2ndAmendment said:
We disagree. I considered becoming a Mormon at one time in my mid 20's. Did some studying. The Jesus of Mormonism is not the Jesus of the Bible, the Christ, in my opinion.
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Well, I was raised in the religion and had 4 years of seminary on it. I can assure you, it is the same Christ.
 
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