Layoffs begin for tens of thousands of federal workers

[WingsOfGold]

Military cuts............... do they REALLY need musicians for dog and pony shows?
What do they cost? I have seen the absurdity of these idiots playing anchors aweigh to oilers during flight ops behind the island. Like anyone would GAF if they could hear them.
Put their zippers on the front of their pants instead of the sides and make them do actual work.

 

[BOP]

NASA was given a life line looks like.

In a last-minute decision, White House decides not to terminate NASA employees

It was not immediately clear what changed.

arstechnica.com

Who else is going to make the muzzies feel good about...whatever they feel good about, if not NASA?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Who else is going to make the muzzies feel good about...whatever they feel good about, if not NASA?

Flat earthers are saying it's because they threatened to spill the beans about the ice wall

 

[BOP]

I agree that cuts needed to be made and should be made BUT... to say there was "no other way" is far from the truth. There were PLENTY of smarter ways to trim the fat and eliminate unproductive and unneeded workers.

Like I keep saying, it's all but impossible to fire nearly anyone in that category. That's a category made up of protected class individuals, and there will be hell to pay if you try firing the people who really, really need to be fired. EEO has been around a lot longer and is more deeply entrenched than DEI ever thought of being.

 

[BOP]

You work for the federal government don’t you.

That doesn't mean he's wrong.

Look, all I heard for years - at least 5 - before I retired was the aging of the DoD workforce. We needed new blood in a bad way. That comes in the form of folks just getting out of college via the intern program, and folks getting out of the military; either as prior service, or as retirees.

Starting with retirees, they're old too. Since supporting the war-fighter is the primary goal of the DoD, those folks have a leg up on the former category (along with prior service folks) of young people getting out of college and into intern programs. There are prior service folks in the intern programs, but the vast majority of them are Gen Z people. I don't think I have to go into the issues the workforce has with Gen Zs in the work place.

If you fire or "lay off" the new folks, you sure haven't addressed the problem of the workforce aging out. I don't know about any of the other departments, but Defense still has to support the pointy end of the spear.

 

[BOP]

Why bother to keep something on hand when you can just put your hand out to the government.

Oh wait, let’s ask the people in North Carolina.

Did they get actual help from uncle FEMA or from cousin Fred?

Ellos no hablan español

 

[BOP]

Considering Trump has (maybe) two years to get the size of the fed under control, ax and chainsaw are appropriate.

Probably a fair point.

 

[Squiddie]

That doesn't mean he's wrong.

Look, all I heard for years - at least 5 - before I retired was the aging of the DoD workforce. We needed new blood in a bad way. That comes in the form of folks just getting out of college via the intern program, and folks getting out of the military; either as prior service, or as retirees.

Starting with retirees, they're old too. Since supporting the war-fighter is the primary goal of the DoD, those folks have a leg up on the former category (along with prior service folks) of young people getting out of college and into intern programs. There are prior service folks in the intern programs, but the vast majority of them are Gen Z people. I don't think I have to go into the issues the workforce has with Gen Zs in the work place.

If you fire or "lay off" the new folks, you sure haven't addressed the problem of the workforce aging out. I don't know about any of the other departments, but Defense still has to support the pointy end of the spear.

A woman I work with made an interesting point. It's best to go in with a scalpel and surgically remove the waste. The people at the top are coming in with a machete, praying that in the act of removing the waste with a machete they don't hit any important parts.

 

[BOP]

Yep,
Oh, my toilets out of order!!! I have no water to drink....

He would never make it with an A2, a canteen a few MRE's and a woobie.

You forgot metamuscil. Got to keep those MREs moving through the pipeline.

 

[BOP]

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t like depending on anyone.

And to the folks in North Carolina with no house, no stores, no cars, no roads,…

FEMA: ”Here’s your $750 debit card… Chew it slow slowly.”

Also FEMA: "BTW, you have to pay that $750.00 back, or we can seize your property."

 

[phreddyp]

A woman I work with made an interesting point. It's best to go in with a scalpel and surgically remove the waste. The people at the top are coming in with a machete, praying that in the act of removing the waste with a machete they don't hit any important parts.

You have no clue at all!

 

[BOP]

A woman I work with made an interesting point. It's best to go in with a scalpel and surgically remove the waste. The people at the top are coming in with a machete, praying that in the act of removing the waste with a machete they don't hit any important parts.

With all the waste, fraud, and abuse to look at, I'm not convinced that cutting the size of the work force is THE way to go.

Should it be done? At some point, absolutely. Maybe it's just my natural skepticism at play, but over the long term, I think it's going to do more harm that good.

Nobody's really talked about this, but Trump and Musk are businessmen. What do business people resent more than anything else in the entire world? Having to pay people to do work. Labor is the single biggest cost to doing business in this country (probably the world), and a business person's first instinct is to cut the number of people in their work force. Both of those guys have been in business for a very long time. At this point, cutting the numbers of people is knee-jerk.

And the citizenry is just as bad. They hate anyone who makes more money than they do, and who appears to have a cushier job than they do. Citizens resent it and for decades, I've been listening to various and sundry argue that "unions ought to be abolished," "nobody should make $30.00 an hour to drive a forklift, and so on and so forth." Completely ignoring how much upper management and investors make on companies that make millions, even billions of dollars a year.

Honestly, at this point in my life, the cost of labor being the problem is a scapegoat.

 

[phreddyp]

With all the waste, fraud, and abuse to look at, I'm not convinced that cutting the size of the work force is THE way to go.

Should it be done? At some point, absolutely. Maybe it's just my natural skepticism at play, but over the long term, I think it's going to do more harm that good.

Nobody's really talked about this, but Trump and Musk are businessmen. What do business people resent more than anything else in the entire world? Having to pay people to do work. Labor is the single biggest cost to doing business in this country (probably the world), and a business person's first instinct is to cut the number of people in their work force. Both of those guys have been in business for a very long time. At this point, cutting the numbers of people is knee-jerk.

And the citizenry is just as bad. They hate anyone who makes more money than they do, and who appears to have a cushier job than they do. Citizens resent it and for decades, I've been listening to various and sundry argue that "unions ought to be abolished," "nobody should make $30.00 an hour to drive a forklift, and so on and so forth." Completely ignoring how much upper management and investors make on companies that make millions, even billions of dollars a year.

Honestly, at this point in my life, the cost of labor being the problem is a scapegoat.

You are definitely spouting drivel on this thread. Congratulations!

 

[Squiddie]

You are definitely spouting drivel on this thread. Congratulations!

I can see why it’s pronounced Fred DP, since you seem to like it so much.

 

[Kyle]

A woman I work with made an interesting point. It's best to go in with a scalpel and surgically remove the waste. The people at the top are coming in with a machete, praying that in the act of removing the waste with a machete they don't hit any important parts.

It’s the federal government.

Constitutionally…Other than DOD there is no important part.

 

[Squiddie]

It’s the federal government.

Constitutionally…Other than DOD there is no important part.

The VA isn’t in the Constitution, so by this profoundly retarded thinking then the VA isn’t important because it wasn’t mentioned in a 250 year old document that gets updated once every 30+ years.

 

[Kyle]

The VA isn’t in the Constitution, so by this profoundly retarded thinking then the VA isn’t important because it wasn’t mentioned in a 250 year old document that gets updated once every 30+ years.

The VA is part of the military. The military is covered by the constitution.

your EBT card is not.

 

[Squiddie]

The VA is part of the military. The military is covered by the constitution.

your EBT card is not.

No.
The VA is part of the executive branch, established in 1930. It’s related to the military, not part of it. There’s a reason why soldiers after the Revolutionary War were oftentimes left destitute.

 

[Kyle]

No.
The VA is part of the executive branch, established in 1930. It’s related to the military, not part of it. There’s a reason why soldiers after the Revolutionary War were oftentimes left destitute.

Again, it’s related to the military therefore, the government has a role.

There is no constitutional role for education, energy, housing, transportation, parks, I could go on and on and on…

Just to stick to my earlier decision today, go **** yourself Democrat.

 

[TPD]

With all the waste, fraud, and abuse to look at, I'm not convinced that cutting the size of the work force is THE way to go.

Should it be done? At some point, absolutely. Maybe it's just my natural skepticism at play, but over the long term, I think it's going to do more harm that good.

Nobody's really talked about this, but Trump and Musk are businessmen. What do business people resent more than anything else in the entire world? Having to pay people to do work. Labor is the single biggest cost to doing business in this country (probably the world), and a business person's first instinct is to cut the number of people in their work force. Both of those guys have been in business for a very long time. At this point, cutting the numbers of people is knee-jerk.

And the citizenry is just as bad. They hate anyone who makes more money than they do, and who appears to have a cushier job than they do. Citizens resent it and for decades, I've been listening to various and sundry argue that "unions ought to be abolished," "nobody should make $30.00 an hour to drive a forklift, and so on and so forth." Completely ignoring how much upper management and investors make on companies that make millions, even billions of dollars a year.

Honestly, at this point in my life, the cost of labor being the problem is a scapegoat.

C’mon man you know better than this.