Layoffs begin for tens of thousands of federal workers

PeoplesElbow

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If they can force us to buy health insurance they can force us to buy old age insurance. I'm eligible for SS in a few months and if they wanted to buy me out I'd take it in a minute.
It always pissed me off when Bush was trying to give people an option that they kept harping about it being "in the stock market", the idiots seriously couldn't have believed the money had to be in stocks only could they? As someone fairly new in the work force then I was excited about that idea happening.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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the idiots seriously couldn't have believed the money had to be in stocks only could they?

When you're talking about idiots and the crap they believe, the sky's the limit. We're watching them right now be more retarded than I'm comfortable with, considering they live in my country.
 
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Squiddie

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How old are you? We have COPPA rules that say you have to be older than 13 to post.
Oh man, the moderators that haven't been active in two years are really making me shake in my boots.
There should really be a rule that only grants access if your IP is pinpointed to a Maryland location. That would be funny.
 
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stgislander

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I don’t understand why they’re not under DoD.

Don’t they have some sort of coastal defense role?
They have too many different roles for one agency. You could probably put them under Interior because they do fishery inspections.
 

OccamsRazor

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Yeah, lots of them, if you include differed retirement that would be anyone with 5 years service. But I guess you meant retired on immediate annuity which is various as to MRA, length of service, voluntary or involuntary retirement, etc.. Not to mention that some of those seen as "hanging around" might contain actual high performers with needed institutional knowledge.

Isn't that what DOGE is doing with the if you stay home instead of coming in you will be gone in 7 to 8 months? And the email 5 bullet points was an expansion on determining if employees are doing anything at all or are actually real.

Redundancy should be dealt with. First thing I would do is get rid of Homeland Security. The intent as I recall was that information hoarding isn't functional and needs to be shared expediently by the various agencies. What we got was a bureaucratic conglomeration that still pigeon holes their information and in some cases impedes the common good.

What explanation is that?
Since you seem to be the only one who wants to have a legitimate discussion about this...

Yes, there are lots of different categories regarding retirement-age personnel and Yes, they do have a lot of knowledge but, they are.. in fact.. at or past their retirement period. They can and should go. This will trim some fat AND allow for people to advance and assume roles of leadership and move forward.
No. DOGE is NOT doing that. They are not 'targeting' personnel. They are putting out blanket emails to ALL employees. That is NOT targeting certain personnel. Scalpel... not hatchet.
There is VAST redundancy within the GOV. It should be dealt with.
As for the explanation.. I am talking about the board mommy that seems to like to drop her turds, challenge people on their opinions, demand explanations, and then never return to offer her own. In fact.. she has yet to respond after her post earlier in this thread when she demanded something. Happens ALL.. THE... TIME.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
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Since you seem to be the only one who wants to have a legitimate discussion about this...

Yes, there are lots of different categories regarding retirement-age personnel and Yes, they do have a lot of knowledge but, they are.. in fact.. at or past their retirement period. They can and should go. This will trim some fat AND allow for people to advance and assume roles of leadership and move forward.
"at or past their retirement period"? What do you mean by that? Is it an age based thing or what?
No. DOGE is NOT doing that. They are not 'targeting' personnel. They are putting out blanket emails to ALL employees. That is NOT targeting certain personnel. Scalpel... not hatchet.
We certainly see it differently, what I see as targeted are those that don't want to return to the office and those that might not even exist. Thus a hatchet is what is needed for them.
 

OccamsRazor

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"at or past their retirement period"? What do you mean by that? Is it an age based thing or what?
Those that have their 30 years in. Those that are eligible for any retirement other than "early." Holding on to their jobs because they need more in their 401K or just don't want to let go. I personally know 4 of them just with the little group that I deal with.
.. what I see as targeted are those that don't want to return to the office and those that might not even exist. Thus a hatchet is what is needed for them.
Weren't those people already dealt with or addressed with the "Fork in the Road" email? Then, why the follow on processes?
Those that don't exist?? Are you saying there is a vast amount of Federal employees that are receiving paychecks, medical benefits, etc. that aren't even alive? Like the Social Security 200 year olds??
 

Ken King

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Those that have their 30 years in. Those that are eligible for any retirement other than "early." Holding on to their jobs because they need more in their 401K or just don't want to let go. I personally know 4 of them just with the little group that I deal with.
There are many with 30 years that aren't yet at MRA.
Weren't those people already dealt with or addressed with the "Fork in the Road" email? Then, why the follow on processes?
Were they? Given all the legal wrangling and calls for litigation I am unsure if even one of them has been dealt with.
 

SamSpade

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"at or past their retirement period"? What do you mean by that? Is it an age based thing or what?
I see it a bit both ways - there's no doubt in my mind, we've had people retire that we could barely afford to lose - years ago, we had a massive business system whose intricacies were largely designed by one man, even though he was lead programmer of an entire team. When he retired - past the "normal" retirement age - they pleaded with him to consult part-time because his expertise was highly desired.

This past "fork in the road" also saw the departure of someone who sorely needed to go. I've described her on here many times as possibly the stupidest person I have ever worked with. She was one of those people who used the union to protect her job, and she knew the rules well enough to keep going in to work and accomplishing - well - nothing. We gave her busy work, because we'd given up trying to fire her.

We certainly see it differently, what I see as targeted are those that don't want to return to the office and those that might not even exist. Thus a hatchet is what is needed for them.

And again - I see two different things. I work with two people who were hired during the pandemic and have never set foot in HQ, as they remote in from Atlanta and Nashville. They're beyond brilliant. My immediate supervisor remoted in from Pittsburgh - and he retired last year since it was made clear to him, he'd have to do what he used to do - drive down during the week, work everyday while renting nearby - and go home to his family. Since we were always very good friends, I STILL call him on the phone to ask about stuff, later.

And yeah - there are also people for whom 'coming in to the office' doesn't mean a four hour drive from Pittsburgh but a 15 minute drive from Upper Marlboro - and they don't want to be bothered - and they can easily afford to retire.

I think there are other ways to get rid of the dross - and that is performance based, the same way it is - or should be - in the private sector. And THIS is something SORELY NEEDED at the federal government. My "stupidest" co-worker, mentioned above? Should have been fired 30 years ago. The guy grabbing asses and using racist remarks in meetings? Ditto.

I don't think it's possible there could be all that many "fake" emails. I do think it's possible there are people who put in so little effort, they barely know about the email. I just don't think a nationally advertised five bullet thing is going to "catch" them. Ultimately, a system which kicks out non-performers consistently would have dismissed these people decades ago.
 

SamSpade

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Weren't those people already dealt with or addressed with the "Fork in the Road" email? Then, why the follow on processes?

We actually had two emails already from OPM where they just said they wanted an ANSWER. Claimed it was some sort of emergency response thing. They were very brief, and at first I thought it was phishing. I would have thought THAT would have given them whatever they needed, especially since they did it twice.
Those that don't exist?? Are you saying there is a vast amount of Federal employees that are receiving paychecks, medical benefits, etc. that aren't even alive? Like the Social Security 200 year olds??
I really don't think there can be that many. Not existing at all, I find that VERY hard to believe, since the timekeeping where I work is so very tight.

The Social Security thing baffles me. The very first person to receive an income from SS - Ida May Fuller - which she got in 1940 - was born in 1874. Because of the rules for SS - how many months worked etc. - I don't think it's possible that many could have been born earlier. So the only thing that makes sense is a lot a extremely bad bookkeeping - probably screwed up during Y2K although that's pure conjecture.

IIRC - those "vampire" accounts are notable because they don't have a death date - they're basically "active" although no evidence was given that they are drawing checks.

In the final analysis - I think while there is probably 10% waste or fraud? The real problem with Social Security and Medicare is something people just don't want to believe - people are living longer, there are fewer and fewer workers paying IN because we have an overall aging population and Medicare is costly because medical costs have gone through the roof.

We all know a basic truth which too many in DC want to wish away - if the money any of us have put into Social Security had been placed in a retirement fund, every single recipient would be better off. We KNOW this. Even during huge market crashes - it would STILL have paid off. We know that the medical industry is bloated and huge - their portion of the GDP is double what it was during the early Clinton years. I don't have an answer for that.

But if we don't put a lid on the costs of Medicare and Social Security - THAT is what will sink the ship. Not fraud, waste and growing expenses in the discretionary budget.
 
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